johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us (John R. Levine) (02/01/90)
In article <5645@ncrcae.Columbia.NCR.COM> wingo@ncrcae.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dave Wingo) writes: > I am looking for a 386 UNIX tcp/ip package and ethernet board combination. All of the usual 386 Unix vendors ship a tcp/ip package based on Lachman's port of BSD TCP/IP. It works as well as any TCP does. There is NFS on top of it which Interactive is shipping now and SCO will sometime in the near future. There is a little flakiness, e.g. csh filename globbing doesn't work on remote NFS directories that aren't on System V disks (such as directories on Suns) but nothing that keeps me from getting my work done. The TCP/IP interoperates well with other implementations and there are many 386 Unix boxes on the Internet. As far as the board goes, I'd use the WD8003E which is cheap, reliable, and has enough buffers to be fast. Smart Ethernet cards do not improve performance because the processor on the card tends to be a lot slower than the 386 that it is attempting to offload. -- John R. Levine, Segue Software, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 864 9650 johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us, {ima|lotus|spdcc}!esegue!johnl "Now, we are all jelly doughnuts."
dougm@ico.isc.com (Doug McCallum) (02/02/90)
In article <1990Feb1.052144.27172@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us> johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: ... >All of the usual 386 Unix vendors ship a tcp/ip package based on Lachman's >port of BSD TCP/IP. It works as well as any TCP does. There is NFS on top >of it which Interactive is shipping now and SCO will sometime in the near Not really a true statement. ISC's TCP/IP is not based on Lachman's in the 386/ix product. It is based on a port ISC did long before Lachman and ISC became the same company. AT&T's TCP/IP is based on the Wollongong port and not the Lachman port. A number of 386 UNIX vendors are selling this version. A number of vendors are also using an independent port done by Spider Systems and a few with the TCP/IP port by Streamlined. While the Lachman based TCP/IP is probably the most widely distributed, it isn't the only one. A major portion of the 386 versions are one of the others. The NFS implementations probably all come from the LAI base.
markb@unix386.Convergent.COM (Mark Beyer) (02/03/90)
In article <1990Feb2.154728.17877@ico.isc.com>, dougm@ico.isc.com (Doug McCallum) writes: > In article <1990Feb1.052144.27172@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us> johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: > ... > AT&T's TCP/IP is based on the Wollongong port and not the Lachman port. In which release ? SVR4 is definitely the Convergent/Lachmann port. -- -- Mark Beyer markb@convergent.com {pyramid,pacbell,sri-unix}!ctnews!markb
adnan@sgtech.UUCP (Adnan Yaqub) (02/07/90)
In article <825@unix386.Convergent.COM> markb@unix386.Convergent.COM (Mark Beyer) writes: In article <1990Feb2.154728.17877@ico.isc.com>, dougm@ico.isc.com (Doug McCallum) writes: > In article <1990Feb1.052144.27172@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us> johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: > ... > AT&T's TCP/IP is based on the Wollongong port and not the Lachman port. In which release ? SVR4 is definitely the Convergent/Lachmann port. For one, in 3.0. I have a manual in front of which says: "AT&T Enhanced TCP/IP WIN/386 Release 3.0" which talks about "Wollongong Socket Compatibility Library Routines". -- Adnan Yaqub Star Gate Technologies, 29300 Aurora Rd., Solon, OH, USA, +1 216 349 1860 ...cwjcc!ncoast!sgtech!adnan ...uunet!abvax!sgtech!adnan
hwajin@ganges.wrs.com (Hwa Jin Bae) (02/08/90)
In article <ADNAN.90Feb6170824@sgtech.UUCP> adnan@sgtech.UUCP (Adnan Yaqub) writes:
For one, in 3.0. I have a manual in front of which says: "AT&T
Enhanced TCP/IP WIN/386 Release 3.0" which talks about "Wollongong
Socket Compatibility Library Routines".
The Wollongong stuff is based on the LAI TCP/IP stuff. I know cause I've
looked at the sources. The V.4 will have LAI TCP/IP stuff too. Trust me.
--
Hwa Jin Bae, Wind River Systems, 1351 Ocean Avenue, Emeryville, CA 94606, USA
hwajin@wrs.com (uunet!wrs!hwajin) "Omnibus ex nihil ducendis sufficit unum."virgil@todal.touch.com (Virgil Champlin) (02/08/90)
In article <HWAJIN.90Feb7104552@ganges.wrs.com> hwajin@ganges.wrs.com (Hwa Jin Bae) writes:
hwa> The Wollongong stuff is based on the LAI TCP/IP stuff. I know cause I've
hwa> looked at the sources.
You are dead wrong on this. I wonder if some of the common BSD source
fooled you?
hwa> The V.4 will have LAI TCP/IP stuff too.
I believe that SUN was the subcontractor for the networking code in V.4
and that they chose to use LAI source as the starting point. I may have
a good idea as to the ending point but it is mostly speculation.
hwa> Trust me.
Not completely, this time.
-virgil
--
Virgil Champlin virgil@touch.com
"I got it, I got it, I ain't got it."syackey@secola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Steve Yackey) (02/09/90)
In article <HWAJIN.90Feb7104552@ganges.wrs.com> hwajin@ganges.wrs.com (Hwa Jin Bae) writes: >In article <ADNAN.90Feb6170824@sgtech.UUCP> adnan@sgtech.UUCP (Adnan Yaqub) writes: >The Wollongong stuff is based on the LAI TCP/IP stuff. I know cause I've >looked at the sources. Are you sure its not as simple as having a common ancestor ?
stevea@i88.isc.com (Steve Alexander) (02/09/90)
In article <HWAJIN.90Feb7104552@ganges.wrs.com> hwajin@ganges.wrs.com (Hwa Jin Bae) writes: >The Wollongong stuff is based on the LAI TCP/IP stuff. I know cause I've >looked at the sources. If that's the case, then they owe us a big chunk of money. :-) Let me throw some cold facts on the fire of confusion: The TCP/IP that AT&T will sell you for 5.3.n was done by the Wollongong Group. The NFS that they will sell you for 5.3.n was done by Lachman Associates, and was ported to run over WIN*. The TCP/IP that will be part of 5.4 was done by Lachman Associates and went to AT&T via Sun Microsystems. The NFS that will be part of 5.4 was done by Sun, since 5.4 is vnode-based, not FSS-based. INTERACTIVE liked Lachman's NFS so much they bought the company. INTERACTIVE's host-based TCP/IP is not derived from Lachman's TCP/IP. INTERACTIVE did their TCP/IP themselves. SCO got their TCP/IP and NFS from Lachman. Hope this helps... -- Steve ---- *WIN is a trademark of the Wollongong Group. -- Steve Alexander, Software Technologies Group | stevea@i88.isc.com INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL | ...!{sun,ico}!laidbak!stevea
cage@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (charles.gerlach) (02/09/90)
> For one, in 3.0. I have a manual in front of which says: "AT&T > Enhanced TCP/IP WIN/386 Release 3.0" which talks about "Wollongong > Socket Compatibility Library Routines". > >The Wollongong stuff is based on the LAI TCP/IP stuff. I know cause I've >looked at the sources. The V.4 will have LAI TCP/IP stuff too. Trust me. Just because we look alike does not make us father and son. It doesn't even make us relatives, even though I would expect that if you looked long and hard enough you would find a common ancestor. Back to the original question. In WIN/386 3.0 there is a socket compatibility library to provide socket services over TLI. WIN/386 3.0 is TLI-based and would have none of the socket calls features most programmers have come to expect without that library.
narayan@mytardis.UUCP (Narayan Mohanram) (02/09/90)
#>The Wollongong stuff is based on the LAI TCP/IP stuff. I know cause I've #>looked at the sources. The V.4 will have LAI TCP/IP stuff too. Trust me. #> #>Hwa Jin Bae, Wind River Systems, 1351 Ocean Avenue, Emeryville, CA 94606, USA #>hwajin@wrs.com (uunet!wrs!hwajin) "Omnibus ex nihil ducendis sufficit unum." So you looked at the sources and figured out it is the same huh? How about if the author of the Wollongong sources says that you are talking through your hat. Narayan Mohanram (ex Wollongonger!) -- =============================================================================== Phone: 408-738-4165 US Mail: 909 W. Olive, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 E-Mail: narayan@tandem.com
wingo@ncrcae.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dave Wingo) (02/12/90)
In article <HWAJIN.90Feb7104552@ganges.wrs.com> hwajin@ganges.wrs.com (Hwa Jin Bae) writes: >The Wollongong stuff is based on the LAI TCP/IP stuff. I know cause I've >looked at the sources. Trust me. Be leary of those who ask you to trust them!! Used car salesmen say the same thing. I also think they have common ancestry regards wingo@Columbia.NCR.Com