briand@infmx.UUCP (brian donat) (04/06/90)
To summarize Mr. McDaniel's helpful posting, the following is noted: NIC services are for registered DDN users and if you should not fall into this category, you have no access to the services and hence, no access to RFCs. So, whatever text or other references pointed you in your persuit of net.knowledge to RFCs, the road ends here if you're not a DDN user. (Apparently) I only have one question. Are RFCs classified? BRIAND
steve@wattres.UUCP (Steve Watt) (04/08/90)
In article <3814@infmx.UUCP> briand@infmx.UUCP (brian donat) writes: > NIC services are for registered DDN users and if > you should not fall into this category, you have no > access to the services and hence, no access to RFCs. > > So, whatever text or other references pointed you in > your persuit of net.knowledge to RFCs, the road ends > here if you're not a DDN user. (Apparently) > >I only have one question. Are RFCs classified? If the RFCs were classified, they would be of no use to ANYBODY in the real world. Also, the mail address (service@nic.ddn.mil) works for anybody... I've used it. It does mention several times that the ARPANet and MILNet are for companies (or other organizations) that have some relationship with the US government, or are educational institutions (I guess they have _some_ relationship with the government, though... -- Something about educational funding... :) On a more general note, having re-read the article several times, I think the above conclusions came from a paragraph that read something like: | Military personnel or DoD contractors with proper authorization may obtain | protocol-related documents such as circulars, directives, or memoranda from | the Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC). [ DTIC's address removed ] I think you missed the next line completely: | Contractors and researchers without access to DTIC can obtain these | documents from the NIC. Since the NIC also hands out internet numbers, it would not be very useful for the general net.population if they only gave them out to ARPANet sites. Handling mail forwarding for sites not connected (like all of the ones I use/ talk to) would not work well. Also: Why do you think there's a section on "Publications Available from the DDN Network Information Center (NIC)" if they weren't publicly available? I STRONGLY recommend the DDN Protocol Handbook for anybody who's implementing TCP on anything, since it is *THE* definitive spec. (It's only $190.00, not bad when you consider that it is 4 volumes, and well over 2000 pages.) Sorry if this sounded like a flame, but I've had several dealings with the NIC, and they have been very helpful (if not particularly quick). -- Steve Watt ...!claris!wattres!steve wattres!steve@claris.com also works If you torture your data long enough, it'll eventually confess.
ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury) (04/08/90)
In article <3814@infmx.UUCP> briand@infmx.UUCP (brian donat) writes: >To summarize Mr. McDaniel's helpful posting, > the following is noted: > NIC services are for registered DDN users and if > you should not fall into this category, you have no > access to the services and hence, no access to RFCs. > > So, whatever text or other references pointed you in > your persuit of net.knowledge to RFCs, the road ends > here if you're not a DDN user. (Apparently) > >I only have one question. Are RFCs classified? The NIC.DDN.MIL supports "anonymous ftp" for access to the RFC's and other documents. Additionally, there are (I believe) RFC archives on the uunet.uu.net site as well where there is anonymous ftp and a 900 telephone number for uucp access. -- Gregory G. Woodbury Sysop/owner Wolves Den UNIX BBS, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...dukeac!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu ggw@ac.duke.edu ggw%wolves@ac.duke.edu Phone: +1 919 493 1998 (Home) +1 919 684 6126 (Work) [The line eater is a boojum snark! ] <standard disclaimers apply>
randy@m2xenix.psg.com (Randy Bush) (04/09/90)
RFCs are available via FTP, mail server, and just about anything else. If you are really desperate, you can get them from a FidoNet BBS at +1-503-297-9145. -- ..!{uunet,qiclab,intelhf}!m2xenix!randy randy@psg.com randy@m2xenix.uucp
solensky@interlan.interlan.COM (Frank Solensky) (04/10/90)
>I STRONGLY recommend the DDN Protocol Handbook for anybody who's implementing >TCP on anything, since it is *THE* definitive spec. ... plus RFC 1122 and 1123 -- the Host Requirements RFCs (Communications Layer and Applications & Support, respectively). These contain explicit directions on many of the points that the Protocol Handbook RFCs either leave open to interpretation, misstate, etc. Getting this before claiming interconnectivity will save yourself a tremendous amount of aggrivation later on. Frank Solensky Racal InterLan
postel@VENERA.ISI.EDU (04/10/90)
brian donat: RFCs are not classified. The intent is to make the information publicly available. I would like to hear about any case of someone being denied access to an RFC as a matter of distribution policy. --jon.
mcdaniel%hqeis.decnet@HQAFSC-VAX.AF.MIL ("HQEIS::MCDANIEL") (04/10/90)
Andrews AFB I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 10-Apr-1990 08:58am EST From: Mr Rodney McDaniel MCDANIEL Dept: HQ AFSC/SCXP Tel No: AV 858-7909 COMM 981-7909 Owner: Mr Rodney McDaniel TO: _MAILER! ( _DDN[TCP-IP@NIC.DDN.MIL] ) Subject: RE: DDN NETWORK INFORMATION CENTER "FLAME ON" The Requests for Comments (RFCs) listed by the DDN Network Information Center are not repeat are not classified. Also, for all the users who asked that question, instead of addressing this question over the TCP-IP mailer listing, why not call the 1-800-235-3155 DDN NIC and ask them, they don't bite, growl, or grumble when you call and ask for assistance. They were established for user assistance, also they interface daily with INTERNET users and have a listing for a majority of the INTERNET DOMAINS. So, save your money on sending E-Mail and spend a "dime" and call the DDN NIC and get the latest information, if you have any further questions. "You lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." The same goes for posting information, someone always focuses on a small issue, when the answer is already available, all it takes is initiative. That's what you get for trying to be helpful. RODNEY A. MCDANIEL, DAFC Information Systems Manager Andrews AFB MD Email Adress: MCDANIEL@HQAFSC-VAX.AF.MIL "FLAME OFF"
perry@MCL.UNISYS.COM (Dennis Perry) (04/12/90)
Rodney, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" you said, but you can feed him salt! dennis