ccruss@pollux (Russ Hobby) (03/22/90)
During the past six months UC Davis has been doing a joint project with
Pacific Bell and the Davis High School to see how high school students
can use the resources of the Internet. The connection to the high school
consists of a 56k link and router to tie their local AppleTalk network
to the Internet.
Some of the uses have been to tie into various library card catalogs,
obtaining online information on programs and requirements at some
colleges and universities, ftping software from many sites, and, of
course, reading USENET. In all it has been very rewarding.
Now the question: Are there any other high schools connected to the
Internet? The Davis High students would like to share their experiences
with other high school students and find out if there are other
resources in which they would be interested. Perhaps we can set up a
mail list or newsgroup for discussions. I think that it would be a real
education for high school students to talk to others in different
environments and share some of lifes problems and solutions experienced
during a particularly confusing time in life. (remember when you were
that age? ;-)
Russ
Russell Hobby
Data Communications Manager
U. C. Davis
Computing Services INTERNET: rdhobby@ucdavis.edu
Davis Ca 95616 BITNET: RDHOBBY@UCDAVIS
(916) 752-0236 UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!rdhobby zrfp0128@AWSSN3.RUS.UNI-STUTTGART.DE (Joerg Hertzer) (04/06/90)
>Am I the only Luddite out here that thinks that High Schools should not be >on the Internet? I also am unlucky about that, but I think we should not forbid any interested people to use the internet, but we should design more secure network software. Joerg Hertzer Computer Center University Stuttgart West Germany
steve@cise.nsf.gov (Stephen Wolff) (04/08/90)
> I imagine there are already a great number of bright young students using > the Internet and USENET in one form or another, and I think that the current > circumstances are even more dangerous than an "over the table" arrangement. > > If the schools involved understand the responsibilities that go along with > the benefits, I don't see any reason to consider them guilty until proven > innocent... Amen. -s
ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury) (04/09/90)
In article <9004060906.AA00677@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de.> (Joerg Hertzer) writes: >quoting someone else without attribution: >>Am I the only Luddite out here that thinks that High Schools should not be >>on the Internet? > >I also am unlucky about that, but I think we should not forbid >any interested people to use the internet, but we should design more secure >network software. I would think that anyone using this medium would react to the name Luddite's the way that a Jewish person might react to the term NAZI! The anti-technology implications of Luddite are just as bad as the other. Followup to /dev/null. I only get alt.flame when cross-posted. -- Gregory G. Woodbury Sysop/owner Wolves Den UNIX BBS, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...dukeac!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu ggw@ac.duke.edu ggw%wolves@ac.duke.edu Phone: +1 919 493 1998 (Home) +1 919 684 6126 (Work) [The line eater is a boojum snark! ] <standard disclaimers apply>
buzzard@eng.umd.edu (Sean Barrett) (04/11/90)
In article <1990Apr10.165031.10513@eng.umd.edu> buzzard@eng.umd.edu (Sean Barrett) writes: >In article <1990Apr8.173455.7844@wolves.uucp> ggw@wolves.UUCP (Gregory G. Woodbury) writes: >> Followup to /dev/null. I only get alt.flame when cross-posted. >>Gregory G. Woodbury >[censored] Ok. Let me apologize to everybody. That posting was inappropriate to this place, and totally immature. Mine, I mean. The corrected message text is as follows: > > Excuse me? Please don't waste my time crossposting to alt.flame if > you're not going to read alt.flame. Directing followups to /dev/nul > is not a particularily mature way of carrying on conversations. > > Although maybe (*maybe*) more mature than using certain combinations > of characters which for cultural reasons are considered distasteful. > But seriously, I most humbly offer my apologies for wasting time and bandwidth, and for offending anyone. Please also to excuse the length of this message, since it has naught to do with tcp-ip.
zrfp0128@AWSSN3.RUS.UNI-STUTTGART.DE (Joerg Hertzer) (04/11/90)
In an E-Mail on this list Gregory G. Woodbury Sysop/owner Wolves Den UNIX BBS, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...dukeac!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu ggw@ac.duke.edu ggw%wolves@ac.duke.edu Phone: +1 919 493 1998 (Home) +1 919 684 6126 (Work) wrote: >In article <9004060906.AA00677@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de.> >(Joerg Hertzer) writes: >>quoting someone else without attribution: >>>Am I the only Luddite out here that thinks that High Schools should not be >>>on the Internet? . . . > I would think that anyone using this medium would react to the >name Luddite's the way that a Jewish person might react to the term NAZI! >The anti-technology implications of Luddite are just as bad as the other. Two remarks: 1. I quoted an E-Mail of Greg Earle Sun Microsystems, Inc. - JPL on-site Software Support earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (direct) earle@Sun.COM (indirect) and wrote that in my E-Mail. 2. English is a foreign language to me. I have newer seen the word 'Luddite' before and cannot find it in my dictionaries. Joerg Hertzer Computer Center University Stuttgart West Germany zrfp0128@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de Phone: ++ 49-0711-685-5803
zrfp0128@AWSSN3.RUS.UNI-STUTTGART.DE (Joerg Hertzer) (04/11/90)
Just now I sent an E-Mail with: (about an elder one from me) . . . I quoted an E-Mail of Greg Earle Sun Microsystems, Inc. - JPL on-site Software Support earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (direct) earle@Sun.COM (indirect) and wrote that in my E-Mail. . . . Now I found two copies of that elder E-Mail on my disks. One with and the other without that attribution. Seems I sent the wrong one - Sorry! Joerg Hertzer
ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury) (04/13/90)
In article <9004110840.AA02224@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de.> zrfp0128@AWSSN3.RUS.UNI-STUTTGART.DE (Joerg Hertzer) writes: >In an E-Mail on this list > >Gregory G. Woodbury >wrote: > >>In article <9004060906.AA00677@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de.> >>(Joerg Hertzer) writes: >>>quoting someone else without attribution: >Two remarks: >1. I quoted an E-Mail of > Greg Earle > earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (direct) > earle@Sun.COM (indirect) > and wrote that in my E-Mail. Yes, my mention of without attribution referred to the way that the included text was marked. It was my fault for not properly preserving the attributions. The response is to Greg Earles posting, not yours. >2. English is a foreign language to me. I have newer seen the word 'Luddite' > before and cannot find it in my dictionaries. >Joerg Hertzer >Computer Center University Stuttgart >West Germany >zrfp0128@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de >Phone: >++ 49-0711-685-5803 The Luddites were an anti-technology terrorist movement in Great Brittan and the United States during the Industrial Revolution era. They were objecting to the increasing automation and job displacement that the introduction of steam powered engines and mechanical distribution systems and power looms and other machinery entailed. They sabotoged machinery, rioted, destroyed machinery and the homes of people they disagreed with in a reign of terror not too unlike some of the riots that the US suffered in the late 1960's. The distance of history lets many people feel complacent about the use of the term Luddite. To apply the term Luddite to oneself or to imply that anyone using this wonderful technology that we have access to could be a Luddite was a little more than I could accept with equanimity. A lot of high school students that I know are a lot more mature and sophisticated than a lot of the college students that I know. The stereotyping of ALL high school students with Mr. Earles broad brush is also an irresponsible act. In turn, I was irresponsible in posting the flame. To keep it from turning into an extended flame war, I directed the followups to /dev/null (a unixism for nowhere) and cross-posted to alt.flame to alert the readers that it was a flame. It was a waste of the net bandwidth and I apologize to you for mixing you up in it. I apologize to the rest of the group for their being subjected to further non-relevant discussion. In another article, someone (I think it was Sean Barrett) takes me to task for the redirect and not reading alt.flame. The redirect was intended to cut off more flameage, and I read alt.flame (when I can get it - my feed does not usually include it) but I figure that cross-posting to alt and comp is generally rude. (Mea culpa, I was rude, but not crude.) -- Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...mcnc!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu ggw%wolves@mcnc.mcnc.org [The line eater is a boojum snark! ] <standard disclaimers apply>