[net.jobs] Resume

partain@pisces.DEC (Chuck Partain DTN 237-3157) (05/06/85)

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  I'M INTERESTED IN BOSTON/METROWEST AREA EMPLOYMENT SINCE I AM IN A 
TEMPORARY STATUS. " IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A REAL JOB".

                                                      CHUCK PARTAIN

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                          CHARLES W. PARTAIN
                             9 NICK LANE
                          MAYNARD, MA. 01754
       



                        ELECTRONIC TECHNICIAN


EMPLOYMENT HISTORY

	DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CO.     Project tech involved in building,    
	SOUTH STREET              testing, troubleshooting and 
 	SHREWSBURY, MA.           programming advanced development
                                  thin film head testers used in the
                                  manufacture of thin film heads.
                                  Included all aspects of project
                                  development. Extensive usage of
                                  DEC VAX, PDP/11-44, 11/34, 11/23plus.
                                     JUNE 4, 1984 to Present.

	TECH AID CO.              Working in various electronic firms as 
        PARK AVE.                 an electronic technician. Assembly,
        WORCESTER, MA.             test and debug of all types of electronic
                                  modules, engineering and production
                                  technician.
                                     FEBRUARY 1984 to Present.

	MACDONALD CO.             Working with a construction company doing
        HAMMOND STREET            all types of alarm and electrical 
	WALTHAM, MA.              installation on old and new construction
                                  sites.
                                     SEPTEMBER 1981 to DECEMBER 1983

        RAYTHEON CO.              PROGRAM COORDINATOR in the engineering 
	FOUNDRY AVE.              department. Coordination of new and existing
	WALTHAM, MA.              projects running from engineering into
                                  production. Interface between Marketing,
                                  Program Management, and Quality Assurance
                                  to the production schedule. Responsibilities
                                  included the complete overseeing of a
                                  program from the beginning of engineering
                                  development to the entrance into production.
                                  Coordinated the interface between mechanical
                                  engineering and machine shop assembly.
                                     AUGUST 1979 to SEPTEMBER 1981

	DATA TERMINAL SYS.        ASSISTANT TECHNICAL SUPERVISOR in the repair
	ACTON, MA.                department. Supervised a small group of 
                                  technicians in the repair of point of sale
                                  terminal systems utilizing state of the
                                  art microprocessor systems.
                                     APRIL 1979 to AUGUST 1979


 	VARIAN ASSOC.             SENIOR ELECTRONIC TECHNICIAN  in the 
 	BEVERLY, MA.              engineering department, prototyping radar
                                  modulators and power supplies. Environmental
                                  and EMI testing to MIL-STD. Production
                                  test technician.
                                     OCTOBER 1978 to APRIL 1979
                                                    
	RAYTHEON CO.              ENGINEERING TECHNICIAN prototyping and debug
        FOUNDRY AVE.              of radar modulators and internal development
        WALTHAM, MA.              projects including power supplies and 
                                  control circuits. Acted as interface between
                                  engineering and production.
                                     MARCH 1977 to OCTOBER 1978




	EDUCATION  		  DEVRY INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, Chicago, Ill.
                                   Home study electronics while in the service.
                                   Basic and Digital electronics and television
                                   repair and theory.  Appx. 80 weeks.


                                  UNITED STATES NAVY, FPO NEW YORK.
                                   Training as an electrician for aircraft
                                   repair. Six months of basic electronics
                                   and three months of digital electronics
                                   troubleshooting and repair.
                
                                  NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY, BOSTON, MA.
                                   Night courses in Marketing, Production
                                   and Operations Management, Math, English,
                                   Physics, Pascal programming, Electronic
                                   Data Processing. Present major is MIS.

                                  DATA TERMINAL SYSTEMS DEALER TRAINING,
                                   Four weeks of microprocessor repair and
                                   theory for the repair of point of sale
                                   terminal systems. One week of customer
                                   relations.



	References available upon request.           

rob@cwruecmp.UUCP (rob robertson) (05/08/85)

As of today I'm looking for a job.  This is a borrowed machine so there
will be a much better turnaround time by snail or phone.


						            K. Richard Magill
RESUME						     12000 Fairhill Road #323
------						         Cleveland, OH  44120
						               (216) 229-RICH

EDUCATION:

1/79		Transferred from John Glenn H.S., in New Concord, OH to
		Valley Forge H.S., Parma.

6/79		Graduated from Valley Forge H.S. at age 16.  G.P.A. = 3.54.

8/79 - 5/83	Computer Engineering, Case Western Reserve University,
		Cleveland.

9/84 - 12/84	Computer Engineering, C.W.R.U. (Part Time)

		Transcripts available on request.


WORK EXPERIENCE:

2/84 - 5/85	Computer Engineer, Great Lakes Electronics, May Co.,
		Lorian, Oh.  Responsibilities included system manager for a
		Tektronix 8560 development system running TNIX, lobbied for
		purchased and supported a C compiler for software
		developement, hardware testing and debugging, and some
		hardware design.  I also designed and was responsible for
		the development of three operating systems that ran on our
		hardware.  This included responsibility for one other
		engineering.  Hardware under development were three z80
		based processor boards for driving point of sale
		terminals (cash registers).

5/83 - 1/84	Software Engineer, QCS Corporation, Fairview Park, OH.
		Worked with Akron General Medical Center to write an
		efficiency-management system which reports current
		department efficiencies given hours worked per department
		and net profit information.  The reports included
		line graphs.

5/81 - 1/84	Consultant, Dr. Harvey Fishman, Richmond Heights, OH.
		Sold Dr. Fishman a small computer, programmed a mailing
		list data base, continuing user services, maintenance,
		and support.

1/83 - 5/83	Grader, Computer Engineering Dept., CWRU.
		For CMPS131, a beginning Computing course.
		Responsibilities included grading assignments and
		4 hrs. per week of office consulting.  One of 12
		graders and 2 instructors for over 400 freshman.

9/81 - 5/82	Consultant, A. R. Jennings Computing Center, CWRU.
		On site support for system packages and facilities,
		extensive programming help, minor systems operation.

... - present	numerous other part time and temporary jobs including
		dishwasher, cashier, salesman, grocery bagger, pizza
		maker, pizza delivery, gas station attendant, painter,
		paper boy, greeting card sales, electronics shop flunkie,
		carpenter's helper, and electrician's helper.

MACHINE EXPERIENCE:

		z80 based CP/M, IBM PC, Tektronix 8560/8561 TNIX, Tektronix
		8540, Altos 586/986 Xenix, Vax UNIX, Pdp11 UNIX,
		Pdp11 RSTS/E, DEC20 TOPS20, TRS-80 TRSDOS.  I have
		written in and worked with over 8 versions of C, Pascal,
		Lisp, APL, Algol, Cobol, Fortran, many, many Basic's,
		z80, 8080, 8086, 8088, 6800, DEC20 MACRO, Pdp11 Macro.

EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES:

'78		Founded and was first Prime Minister of the John Glenn
		High School Computer Club.

'82 - '83	President Case Computer Club.

'82 - present	Member CWRU Film Society.

'84 - present	Programmer WRUW, CWRU radio station.
		(currently 5 - 7 a.m. Weds.)

INTERESTS:

		Micro and Personal computers, artificial intelligence,
		computer graphics, martial arts, psychology, music,
		skiing, games of all types, bridge, science and speculative
		fiction and fantasy.


References available on request.

partain@pisces.DEC (Chuck Partain DTN 237-3157) (06/01/85)

                          CHARLES W. PARTAIN
                             9 NICK LANE
                          MAYNARD, MA. 01754
                             617-897-5386



        Seeking a position as a Production Planner/Coordinator


EMPLOYMENT HISTORY

	DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CO.     Project tech involved in building,    
        330 SOUTH STREET          testing, troubleshooting and 
 	SHREWSBURY, MA.           programming advanced development
                                  thin film head testers used in the
                                  manufacture of thin film heads.
                                  Included all aspects of project
                                  development. Extensive usage of
                                  DEC VAX, PDP/11-44, 11/34, 11/23plus.
                                  Mechanical and electrical assembly,
                                  build, test and troubleshooting.
                                  Including analog interfacing to 
                                  digital controllers. Pneumatics
                                  interfacing to controllers. 
                                  Some programming in special languages.
                                     JUNE 4, 1984 to Present.

	TECH AID CO.              Working in various electronic firms as 
        PARK AVE.                 an electronic technician. Assembly,
        WORCESTER, MA.            test and debug of all types of electronic
                                  modules, engineering and production
                                  technician.
                                     FEBRUARY 1984 to Present.

	MACDONALD CO.             Working with a construction company doing
        HAMMOND STREET            all types of alarm and electrical 
	WALTHAM, MA.              installation on old and new construction
                                  sites.
                                     SEPTEMBER 1981 to DECEMBER 1983

        RAYTHEON CO.              PROGRAM COORDINATOR in the engineering 
	FOUNDRY AVE.              department. Coordination of new and existing
	WALTHAM, MA.              projects running from engineering into
                                  production. Interface between Marketing,
                                  Program Management, and Quality Assurance
                                  to the production schedule. Responsibilities
                                  included the complete overseeing of a
                                  program from the beginning of engineering
                                  development to the entrance into production.
                                  Coordinated the interface between mechanical
                                  engineering and machine shop assembly.
                                     AUGUST 1979 to SEPTEMBER 1981

	DATA TERMINAL SYS.        ASSISTANT TECHNICAL SUPERVISOR in the repair
	ACTON, MA.                department. Supervised a small group of 
                                  technicians in the repair of point of sale
                                  terminal systems utilizing state of the
                                  art microprocessor systems.
                                     APRIL 1979 to AUGUST 1979


 	VARIAN ASSOC.             SENIOR ELECTRONIC TECHNICIAN  in the 
 	BEVERLY, MA.              engineering department, prototyping radar
                                  modulators and power supplies. Environmental
                                  and EMI testing to MIL-STD. Production
                                  test technician when time permitted.
                                     OCTOBER 1978 to APRIL 1979
                                                    
	RAYTHEON CO.              ENGINEERING TECHNICIAN prototyping and debug
        FOUNDRY AVE.              of radar modulators and internal development
        WALTHAM, MA.              projects including power supplies and 
                                  control circuits. Acted as interface between
                                  engineering and production.
                                     MARCH 1977 to OCTOBER 1978




	EDUCATION  		  DEVRY INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, Chicago, Ill.
                                   Home study electronics while in the service.
                                   Basic and Digital electronics and television
                                   repair and theory.  Appx. 80 weeks.


                                  UNITED STATES NAVY, FPO NEW YORK.
                                   Training as an electrician for aircraft
                                   repair. Six months of basic electronics
                                   and three months of digital electronics
                                   troubleshooting and repair.
                
                                  NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY, BOSTON, MA.
                                   Night courses in Marketing, Production
                                   and Operations Management, Math, English,
                                   Physics, Pascal programming, Electronic
                                   Data Processing. Present major is MIS.

                                  DATA TERMINAL SYSTEMS DEALER TRAINING,
                                   Four weeks of microprocessor repair and
                                   theory for the repair of point of sale
                                   terminal systems. One week of customer
                                   relations.



	References available upon request.           

chit@vishnu.ARPA (chit) (09/24/85)

			RESUME FOR
			
			Neil A. Blank
		 	186 Shadyside Avenue
			Concord, MA 01742
			(617) 371-2693



	I am a systems and applications consultant who is looking
	for work in the Denver area. If you would like to contact 
	me please do so at the address and phone above.



			SUMMARY

	C and UNIX, MSDOS, network operating systems, multi-level
	secure kernels, Department of Defense systems development,
	real-time applications, menu processors, device drivers,
	software tools and utilites. Current secret clearance.


			LANGUAGES

	C, PASCAL, FORTRAN, COBOL, PLM(85,286), ADA, ASSEMBLER

		
			COMPUTERS/SYSTEMS

	VAX 11/780, 11/750	PDP 11/34, 11/70	PLEXUS P-40
	UNIVAC 1100		HP64000			SEL
	CYBER(CDC)		INTEL MDS, NDS with	IBM XT
	GRiD COMPASS		ICE(8080,8085,80286)	Sun MicroSystems
				RasterTech 110, 180


			OPERATING SYSTEMS

	UNIX: System 3, 5, BSD 4.2, version 7, SCO Xenix, Coherent, Eunice
	MSDOS, VMS, ISIS, RT-11, MPX-32, KRONOS


			EDUCATION

	Present:	Harvard Extension, Cambridge, MA

	1979-1981	San Diego State University, San Diego, CA
			B.A. Computer Science

	1977-1979	State University of New York, Stony Brook, NY
			Major: Computer Science
	
	1975-1976	California Institue of Technology, Pasadena, CA
			Major: General


			AWARDS	

		New York State Regents Scholarship
		National Merit Scholarship


			WORK HISTORY

6-85 to 	Honeywell, Billerica, MA
Present	
		Testing Honeywell's port of Bell System III Unix, with
		emphasis on Termcaps, Curses, and Vi.

2-85 to		SAIC Comsystems, San Diego, CA
5-85
		Application development as a member of ADDCOMPE(Army-Darpa
		Distributed Communications Processing Experiment). App-
		lication aimed at lower echelon battle synchronization
		and control through a packet radio based network. Appli-
		cation used DMA(Defense Mapping Agency) data to create
		terrain maps with military symbols indicating land feat-
		ures and friendly and enemy positions and weapons. These
		maps could be edited, sent and recieved along with standard
		military messages. Developed in 'C' on Sun MicroSysytems
		using Sun Windows and Sun Core Graphics. Communicated to
		GRiD Compass computer.


1-85 to		Artecon, Inc., Carlsbad, CA
2-85
		Developed GKS (Graphics Kernel Standard) input devices in 
		'C' on a Sun MicroSystem (BSD 4.2 Unix) that interfaced with
	   	the RasterTech 110, and 180 intelligent programmable graphics 
		monitor. Wrote a lexical analyzer for, and implemented a 
		subset of a graphics command language.


1-84 to		SoftCraft, Inc., Marina Del Rey, CA
6-84
		Wrote utility apllication for a multiple font printing
		package.('C' and MSDOS on IBM XT)


1-84 to		Quadratron Systems Inc., Encino, CA
10-84		
		Ported Quadratron office automation software to Coherent
		(Unix derivative) and MSDOS on the IBM XT, Compaq, 
		Rainbow and Nixdorf computers. Developed emulation library 
		in 8086 and 'C' to provide Unix functions on MSDOS, and a 
		fast ANSI screen driver with area attributes and boxes for
		the IBM XT. Designed and integrated simple database
		functions into existing menu system to allow creation 
		and manipulation of databases from within a menu.



3-83 to		System Development Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
1-84
		Department of Defense military network development 
		project. In three person team designed multi-level
		secure kernel as a message oriented network operating
		system. Based on Intel 80286. Used ICE 286, Intel NDS,
		VAX running BSD 4.1 and VAX running VMS/EUNICE. Worked
		in 'C' and PLM.


4-82 to		Raytheon Data Systems, Thousand Oaks, CA
1-83
		Rewrote, fixed and added functionality to a keystroke 
		emulator for testing word processor system and recording tests. 		Classes in Unix internals and Unix programming. Used HP64000,
		Intel MDS, ICE 8080, 8085 and a PDP 11/70 running Xenix. 



2-81 to		Systems Consultants, Inc., San Diego, CA
2-82
		Co-designed quality assurance and testing procedures
		for large Navy missile control system (Department of
		Defense). Wrote a data cataloging mulituser database
		program to keep track of and cross reference all data
		in the project. This program wrote the data specifi-
		cation portions of the formal spec. Developed in Fortran
		77 on SEL running MPX-32. Troubleshooting and analysis 
		of project interfaces. Converted and updated a 10 year
		old COBOL accounting system program to run on top of
		ORACLE relational database for the Pacific Fleet 
		division of the Navy. Used COBOL on VAX 11/750 running
		VMS. Classes in ORACLE and SQL database query language.



10-79 to	NCR Systems Division, San Diego, CA
1-81
		Debugged, maintained and enhanced the NCR 9400 hardware
		simulator (written in PASCAL) and worked with the 
		compiler, assembler and operating system groups in its
		use. Wrote the string functions for the NCR 8500 PASCAL
		compiler (in NCR assembler). Designed and developed a 
		performance analysis program for the 8500 in PASCAL.
		Wrote part of the 8400 virtual machine test bed.



5-79 to		Nuclear Structure Lab, SUNY Stony Brook, NY
9-79
		Operated and used PDP 11/34 running RT-11. Worked in
		6502 and Macro II assemblers. Wired prototype 6502 
		based micro from diagram. Eprom programming, hex
		dump analysis.

nmhr@nmtvax.UUCP (09/25/85)

Tell me something. Has anybody out there ever gotten a
job from a posted resume? The general consensus among
many of us here is that only losers post a resume to
the net. Give me an example of someone who has gotten
a job through this auspicious route and I will apologize.
Otherwise, flame me if you have the courage.

-- 
           Love is just an illusion, created by lawyer-types
           to perpetuate another illusion known as marriage,
           which in turn perpetuates the reality of divorce,
           which creates a need for lawyers.

Tracy A. McInvale
New Mexico Humanities Review
Socorro, NM  87801

...!cmc12!lanl!unm-cvax!nmtvax!nmhr
...!ucbvax!unmvax!nmtvax!nmhr

DISCLAIMER:
The contents of the above text do not
necessarily reflect the views of this
organization, the Chicago Cubs, or Jennifer
Eaton. 

pugsly@isrnix.UUCP (David Roth) (09/29/85)

Just because someone is looking for a job doesn't make them a loser...or
a company looking for someone to fill a position is a losing company cause they
can't find people.
I have noticed some very good resumes posted as well as interesting jobs offered over
the years.
I know I would be more interested in working for a company that has network
access.
  
                        David A. Roth
                ...decvax!pur-ee!isrnix!pugsly
                        Indianapolis,IN

larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) (10/13/85)

> Tell me something. Has anybody out there ever gotten a
> job from a posted resume? The general consensus among
> many of us here is that only losers post a resume to
> the net. Give me an example of someone who has gotten
> a job through this auspicious route and I will apologize.
> Otherwise, flame me if you have the courage.

	I manage the R&D efforts of two organizations, and I read this
newsgroup to see if there might be any potential employees.  I admit that
I have not found any resumes of interest as yet, but if I did I would not
hesitate to contact the person posting the resume.

	In my opinion, it takes a certain amount of `chutzpah' for someone
to post their resume to the net - which could speak favorably for the person
seeking a job.


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nmhr@nmtvax.UUCP (10/22/85)

In article <> larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) writes:
>
>	In my opinion, it takes a certain amount of `chutzpah' for someone
>to post their resume to the net - which could speak favorably for the person
>seeking a job.
>
>
>===  Larry Lippman @ Recognition Research Corp., Clarence, New York        ===

Yeah, Larry. Sure.

Sounds to me like you're confusing "chutzpah" with "assholery."
It takes about as much guts to post your resume to the Net as it
does to send the same to a company you'd like to work for. The
latter doesn't muck up a public network (unless you want to be
totally obnoxious and consider US Mail a Network) and is probably
more likely to elicit a response.

And I'm sorry if you are having to stoop to the net to find
prospective employees. Maybe you should send headhunters or
recruiters out to colleges all over the country. Hiring someone
by a Net-Posted resume must leave a lot to be desired.



-- 
Tracy A. McInvale
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***DISCLAIMER***
The contents of the above text do not necessarily reflect 
the views of this organization, the Chicago Cubs, or Jennifer
Eaton. 

csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe) (10/24/85)

In article <825@nmtvax.UUCP> nmhr@nmtvax.UUCP (Tracy McInvale) writes:
>>	In my opinion, it takes a certain amount of `chutzpah' for someone
>>to post their resume to the net - which could speak favorably for the person
>>seeking a job.
>
>Sounds to me like you're confusing "chutzpah" with "assholery."
>....

While I'm still not sure how the ETTIQUETTE of posting one's resume 
stands, I have to agree with the first comment more. I think that just 
about everybody on the net, particularly those with laser printer 
access, have electronic copies of their resume; maybe some netters 
(mistakenly?) think that posting their resume is like placing it in a 
career office folder.

>And I'm sorry if you are having to stoop to the net to find
>prospective employees. Maybe you should send headhunters or
>recruiters out to colleges all over the country. Hiring someone
>by a Net-Posted resume must leave a lot to be desired.

As for this, I also have to disagree. Consider MIT: Anybody posting from
MIT has an account on certain limited-access computers. This means that 
they must be doing something beyond their normal classwork. Many of them
are "Project Athena" consultants who grow to know UNIX inside out. 
Others, like myself, are involved to some degree in various research 
projects at the Lab for Computer Science. While I can't speak for every 
site, I would imagine it is a similar situation at other universities. 
If I saw a net-posted resume, I would wonder what the person was doing 
that got them access to a usenet site on campus. (Of course I know that 
such "evidence" doesn't mean much, but that's what interviews should 
find out).

-- 
Charles Forsythe
CSDF@MIT-VAX

"I'm looking for the joke with a microscope."
-Iggy Pop

chris@pixutl.UUCP (chris) (10/25/85)

Why not create a new group: 'net.jobs.resume'.

Chris

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 Chris Bertin            :         (617) 933-7735 x2336
 Pixel Systems Inc.      :	   (800) 325-3342
 300 Wildwood street     :  {allegra|ihnp4|cbosgd|ima|genrad|amd|harvard}\
 Woburn, Ma 01801        :     !wjh12!pixel!pixutl!chris

nancy@sdcc13.UUCP (Nancy Celniker) (10/26/85)

    I'd like a job starting in July or August. I'm willing to
relocate to (almost) anywhere in the US. I'd also be interested
in working in Europe. (UK, Denmark and Switzerland are top choices.)


			         Nancy Celniker

                            10645 Caminito Duro
                        San Diego, California 92621
                               (619) 695-3693

    OBJECTIVE:          Position working with computers in consulting or
                        research firm

    EDUCATION:              Bachelors Degree
                            Major in Mathematics-Computer Science, June, 1986
                            Minor in Computer Hardware
                            Minor in Literature
                        University of California, San Diego

                        Literature minor emphasized communication skills
                        in Writing and Public Speaking

                        Computer Hardware minor stressed  coursework  in
                        Systems  Programming, Computer Architecture, and
                        Operating Systems

                        Mathematics  major  emphasized   coursework   in
                        theoretical:  Algebra, Computability, and Proba-
                        bility  as  well  as  applied  math:   Numerical
                        Analysis, Linear Algebra, and Differential Equa-
                        tions.

                        Computer Science  option  emphasized  laboratory
                        work  in Data Structures, Compiler Design, Algo-
                        rithm Analysis, and Cryptography.


    EXPERIENCE:         UNIX Student Consultant
                        University of CA, San Diego
                        Help students, faculty and staff  use  the  UNIX
                        systems: UNIX utilities, vi editor, QCALC, mail,
                        C and FORTRAN programming, debugging,  and  word
                        processing (August 1985-Present)

                        Teaching Asistant
                        Mathematics Department, UCSD
                        Calculus and Pre-Calculus
                        Taught a weekly section helping  students  solve
                        problems.   Held  two  office  hours  a week for
                        individual tutoring.  (1984-1985)

                        Technical Summer Hire
                        Rockwell International
                        Coded program to calculate  external  structural
                        loads  on  B1 airplane. Modified tubing plotting
                        program to dimensionalize lines, erase invisible
                        elipse   in   3-d   simulation   of  tube,  work
                        interactively.  Stripped it down to 50% of  ori-
                        ginal CPU time.
                        (Successive summers 1983,1984)

    PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES
                        ASSEMBLY  Berkeley C
                         FORTRAN   PASCAL  COBOL

    MACHINES
                         VAX 11/780  VAX 11/750  Pyramid  IBM PC
                         PDP 11/780  QMS  TEKTRONIX  AT&T 3B20

    OPERATING SYSTEMS
                         UNIX (2.9BSD,4.2BSD,4.3BSD,V)
                         UCSD PASCAL SYSTEM   TSO   JCL  VMS

    HONORS               GPA 3.7 in major
                         Warren College, UCSD Provost's Honor's List


                     References available upon request


Please respond to me by US mail at above address or on-line
at
ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc3!nancy

keith@seismo.CSS.GOV (Keith Bostic) (10/29/85)

In article <825@nmtvax.UUCP>, nmhr@nmtvax.UUCP writes:
> In article <> larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) writes:
> >
> >	In my opinion, it takes a certain amount of `chutzpah' for someone
> >to post their resume to the net - which could speak favorably for the person
> >seeking a job.

> Sounds to me like you're confusing "chutzpah" with "assholery."
> It takes about as much guts to post your resume to the Net as it
> does to send the same to a company you'd like to work for.

Unless other people in your company are going to see the posting.  Then
it's something, I'm not sure what, though. ;-)

> The latter doesn't muck up a public network (unless you want to be
> totally obnoxious and consider US Mail a Network) and is probably
> more likely to elicit a response.

USENET is not a public network.  And, while it certainly won't elicit responses
from the personnel department, who wants one?  I think the number one problem
of many hiring situations is getting past the headhunters and the personnel
departments so you can find out what the company is really doing.  If a great
resume shows up on the net, I'll forward it to my boss.  You wouldn't, just
because it arrived electronically?

> And I'm sorry if you are having to stoop to the net to find
> prospective employees. Maybe you should send headhunters or
> recruiters out to colleges all over the country. Hiring someone
> by a Net-Posted resume must leave a lot to be desired.

Do you rank your employees by the amount of money it cost to hire them?  Your
headhunters sure as hell can't describe your job opening to the number of
people that read net.jobs every day.  After all, many people read it not to
find a new job, but to keep abreast of salaries and what jobs are opening up
in the marketplace.  They're not going to contact a headhunter until they are
actually dissatisfied with their current job.  Which means that your headhunters
have no way to contact them.  But... if your job description is interesting
enough, they might give you a call.  Heaven knows, the price is right.

Keith Bostic
	keith@seismo.CSS.GOV

martinl@molihp.UUCP (Martin M Lacey) (10/29/85)

"Dearest" Tracy:

In responce to your rather obtuse handling of the net.jobs newsgroup
I say HA!!.  Your arguement attempts to belittle those who are searching
for future employers/employees or perhaps just browsing through  the 
the current job market; and to criticize defeats the purpose of this
newsgroup.  I would like also to note that you too were reading this
newsgroup.  If you disagree with the existance of the group, you have
the full right and privilege to un-subscribe to this group and even
contact your congressmen - if it really erks you that much.

Also, it IS interesting to read how others are doing and current 
occupation trends.

		Take that you, you, you lost cause.

		Martin the Magician.

# USUAL DISCLAIMER....just my thoughts, and hopefully others.

rjv@ihdev.UUCP (ron vaughn) (10/31/85)

i don't really think this group needs more.... "justification," but it
should be stated (and is probably already known) that people DO get
jobs through net.jobs.  i personally haven't, but i know first hand
people who have.  what more is there to say?


	ron vaughn	...!ihnp4!ihdev!rjv

larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) (11/07/85)

> In article <> larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) writes:
> >	In my opinion, it takes a certain amount of `chutzpah' for someone
> >to post their resume to the net - which could speak favorably for the person
> >seeking a job.
> 
> Yeah, Larry. Sure.
> 
> Sounds to me like you're confusing "chutzpah" with "assholery."

	Might I remind you of the purpose of net.jobs?  I quote:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroup		Description
----------------------------------------------------------------------
net.jobs		Job announcements, requests, etc.
					   ^^^^^^^^
> It takes about as much guts to post your resume to the Net as it
> does to send the same to a company you'd like to work for.

	Did it ever occur to you that people might not KNOW what companies
can use their particular skills?  Not everyone wants to apply to the KNOWN
companies like IBM, AT&T, etc., nor does everyone want to work in a `large
company' environment.
 
> The latter doesn't muck up a public network (unless you want to be
> totally obnoxious and consider US Mail a Network) and is probably
> more likely to elicit a response.

	Once again I refer you to my quote above re: the PURPOSE of net.jobs.
If you feel that this newsgroup is a waste of communication resources, then
see if you can get enough support to have it removed.

> And I'm sorry if you are having to stoop to the net to find
> prospective employees. Maybe you should send headhunters or
> recruiters out to colleges all over the country. Hiring someone
> by a Net-Posted resume must leave a lot to be desired.
> -- 
> Tracy A. McInvale

	You must have a rather low opinion of the people on Usenet to make
that statement.  Not everyone on the Net is a wet-behind-the-ears college
student with no experience or useable skills.  Perhaps it is beneath you to
`stoop' as low as to even read articles posted on Usenet, let alone post one
yourself...
	You must be rather secure in your job to be able to thumb your nose
at people not so fortunate.  I happen to be quite secure in my position in
life, but I sure as hell don't look down on people trying to find a job!

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ma155abg@sdcc7.UUCP (FREDERICK COLWELL) (02/19/86)

To whom it may concern:
	Below is my resume.  I am interested in starting full time
	employment after June, 1986.  I am looking for work in the US 
	or in Europe, especialy Northern Europe.  Thank you in advance
	for any help you can offer.
	E-mail to ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc7!ma155abg
		or to ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc3!nancy  ( after march 20th )



                                  FREDERICK COLWELL

                                10663 Caminito Chueco
                                 San Diego, CA 92126  USA



          OBJECTIVE:          Computer   programming   with   emphasis   in
                              graphics, or Math research.


          EDUCATION:          Bachelors Degree expected in June 1986
                              GPA 3.5
                              Major in Mathematics
                              Minor in Visual Arts
                              University of California, San Diego

                              Visual Arts minor stressed  video  production
                              and film making, and a basic knowledge of the
                              use of 3/4 inch  video  and  film  equipment.
                              Interfaced   film  and  video  with  computer
                              graphics.

                              Mathematics  major  emphasized   theory   and
                              applications  including  lab work in Computer
                              Science.

                              Course  work  in  Number   Theory,   Algebra,
                              Differential   Equations,  Real  and  Complex
                              Analysis, Cryptography, Computer Graphics and
                              individual research.

                              In   Computer   Graphics    class    received
                              commendation  from professor for implementing
                              more efficient algorithm for  drawing  Bezier
                              curves.

                              Currently working on independent project  for
                              visual     arts    department    implementing
                              artificially intelligent graphics package.

                              Contributed 40% of college expenses.


          EXPERIENCE:         Teachers Assistant  and  Grader,  Mathematics
                              Department
                              ( College Algebra through beginning Calculus)
                              Lead a problem solving section once per week.
                              Graded homework and tests. (1983-Present)

                              Coder, Safety Sciences Inc.
                              Processed data and forms for computer  entry.
                              (1983-1985)

          LANGUAGES:
                              C, Pascal, Basic, Assembly Language.

          OPERATING SYSTEMS:
                              UNIX, VMS.

          MACHINES:
                              VAX 11/750, TRS-80, Commodore 64.

          ACTIVITIES:
                              + Used  Commodore  64  Personal  Computer  to
                              create several short animated films.
                              + Member of Literature Club at the University
                              of San Diego.
                              + On Provosts Honor List for seven quarters.


                          References available upon request

aaz@pucc-j (Marc Mengel) (03/05/86)

	I will be leaving Purdue at the end of this semester, and will
    consequently be seeking employment.   Below you will find my resume.
    If you have an opening that I could fill, I would love to hear about
    it. I can be reached at ...ihnp4!pur-ee!pucc-j!aaz, or by USMail.

 -----------------------------------cut here-------------------------------   
			    Marc Mengel


Current Address:                        	Permanent Address:
----------------				------------------
910 N 9th Street                        	32 Forestbrook, Rt 2
Lafayette IN 47904                      	Lanesville IN 47136 
(317) 742-6806                          	(812) 952-3641

Objective:
----------
	Seeking a  challenging position  in  operating  systems  or
	software   tool   design,  in   a  comfortable,    informal
	environment.

Education:
----------
	Bachelor  of  Science  in  Computer  Science  from   Purdue
	University, December 1985; Systems Programming Option.  
	GPA 5.1/6.0

	Studied many  aspects  of  systems  programming,  including
	networking, compiler design, operating system  design,  and
	the analysis of algorithms and theory of computation.

	Used various high level languages (  including  C,  Pascal,
	Fortran, Modula2 and Lisp ), and several assembly languages
	(including CDC Compass and VAX-11).

	Written several large ( over 2000 lines of code )  programs
	in  C  and  Pascal  in  a  Unix  environment,  including  a
	compiler.

	Worked to port the Xinu operating system to IBM PC's.

Work Experience:
----------------
	Worked in the Purdue  University  Computing  Center's  Unix
	Group maintaining various system utilities,  including  the
	Berkeley "vi" text  editor,  the  Rand-Berkeley  "mh"  mail
	system, and several local programs, also  assisted  in  the
	software effort converting Computing Center vaxen  to  dual
	cpu's.

	Worked as a General Consultant for  the  Purdue  University
	Computing Center, providing technical assistance  and  user
	support to students,  professors,  and  recipients  of  NSF
	grants nationwide on such  systems  as  Unix  (  Bell  Labs
	Release 7, Berkeley 4.2, and AT&T system V ),  IBM  VM/CMS,
	CDC VSOS 2.1 and CDC MACE.

	Was  a  partner  in  General   Overall   Design   Software,
	co-authoring the GRAX  basic  extension  for  Commodore  64
	computers,  and  the  HyperBase  database   for   Commodore
	Amigas.

Memberships:
------------
	Was a disk jockey at  WHHR  radio  (Harrison  Hall,  Purdue
	University), and Station Manager for one  year.

References:
-----------
	Available upon request.
-- 
					Marc Mengel
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     { decwrl, hplabs, icase, psuvax1, siemens, ucbvax }!purdue!pucc-j!aaz

USnail: 910 N. 9th street
	Lafayette IN 47904