ecn-ec:mahler@pur-ee.UUCP (07/30/83)
#N:ecn-ec:5900003:000:752 ecn-ec!mahler Jul 29 10:44:00 1983 JOB OPENINGS AT PURDUE UNIVERSITY Engineering Computer Network (ECN) #26470 User Services Coordinator - Exempt Professional Regular-Full Time-12 month BS in EE, CS, or equivalent combination of education and expirence required. One year of programming or system management required. Provide user support services to faculity, staff, and students of the Electrical Engineering Department in utilizing the ECN. Responsible for the day-to-day resource allocation and account control. Work with other group members to reply to user inquires. Support user tape archive system. (This position will be closed VERY soon ... don't delay.) Contact Bob Beck Personnel Dept. Freehafer Hall Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907 (317)+494-7382
tut@ucbopal.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (01/06/84)
Imagen Corp. in Mountain View, California, has an opening in technical and applications support for someone with Unix expertise. Familiarity with troff and typesetting software is essential, as is knowledge of the C programming language. Some graphics and/or hardware background would be helpful. Imagen manufactures and markets intelligent laser printers, which can be used as typesetters or graphics output devices. We are developing a family of plain-paper printers that will offer various resolutions (up to 480 dots per inch) and speeds (up to 60 pages a minute). The company has grown substantially, has been profitable for two years now, and expects to continue growing rapidly. Salary commensurate with experience. Benefits include health, dental, and life insurance; three weeks vacation a year. Please contact: Mike Cohn 415-960-0714 ucbvax!imagen!cohn
elias@eosp1.UUCP (Doug Elias) (04/04/84)
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Job Description:
Systems Administrator for software R&D facility.
Hardware:
3 VAX 11/780's.
OS:
4.xBSD & Sys III/V.
Duties:
Software Support:
-monitor uucp/lpr/netnews/ethernet for problem-conditions;
-make modifications to system software to reflect local
requirements;
-provide assistance to user-community in C/sh/csh/etc;
-port code between 4.x and Sys III/V environments.
Harware Support:
-run both UNIX and DEC diagnostics (as applicable) on crashed
systems to help isolate hardware faults;
-act as central contact for hardware error-reports, sending
same onto the proper vendor support-people.
Administrative:
-plan, document, administer and implement hardware/software
upgrades;
-monitor:
"scarce resources" (disk-space, ports, etc);
Usenet activity;
"system-utilization" - provide breakdown of resource-utilization
by "groups of users".
Requirementa:
- BS (EE, CS, Math, etc);
- >= 2 years experience using C/UNIX;
- good written & verbal communication skills.
Location:
- Just outside Princeton, N.J.;
- ~50 miles from both NYC and Philly;
- rural setting with big-city plusses.
Perq's:
- Competitive salaries;
- excellent health/dental benefits;
- educational assistance;
- close to Princeton U. and Rutgers U.;
- modern facility.
Send Resumes to:
William Sabota
Exxon Office Systems Co.
500 College Rd. E.
Princeton, N.J. 08540
or via email to:
..!allegra!eosp1!eliasnova@isosvax.UUCP (Yolanda Smith) (07/12/85)
This is a test.
rwh2@nvuxf.UUCP (R W Haas) (12/13/85)
We have an immediate need to fill a Member of Technical Staff position at Bell Communications Research, Inc. at the Red Bank, NJ location, The candidate should have a masters degree plus 2-5 years of experience working in the UNIX operating system environment. The position will involve setting up data bases using INGRES, writing applications analysis software, and pioneering effort in applying expert system techniques to quality assurance problems. Contact: Gary Brush 201-758-2248 nvuxf!qaggb
root@mdee.UUCP (root) (01/01/86)
LISP Hacker: 2 or more years of industry experience required for New England startup. Salary to 60K. Degree prefered. For more information, call Marilyn Dee Associates at (617)891-3300, or write to ...allegra!mit-eddie!mdee!md.
tlr@umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) (01/02/86)
In response to the referenced posting, I am asking that the net be polled as to whether postings of this nature should be allowed to continue. The poster of the article is using the net for a *FREE* ride which it is not. Why should Companys, Universities, and private individuals pay for MDEE's advertising cost. The net is not *FREE* it does cost money to keep it running. The net needs to decide this with the fastest possible speed, for if we do not the net will be flooded with every possible item for sale. There is a big difference between an individual posting an article to na.forsale and selling that item; and what MDEE is doing with her postings. If the net cannot decide on this issue, I call for a poll to rmgroup net.jobs and create mod.jobs. I ask that while the net is deciding the issue that a cancel message be sent out on the referenced article and MDEE be informed that all further postings from her will not be forwarded. Signed Terry L. Ridder -- Terry L. Ridder 14728 4th St. #301 Laurel, Maryland 20707 UUCP: seismo!mimsy.umd.edu!tlr OR seismo!neurad!terry UUCP: seismo!mcvax!iiasavax!tlr UUCP: seismo!(mimsy.umd.edu|neurad)!bilbo!(root|tlr) ARPA: tlr@maryland PHONE: 301-490-2248 (home)
avolio@decuac.UUCP (Frederick M. Avolio) (01/02/86)
In article <2673@umcp-cs.UUCP>, tlr@umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) writes: > The poster of the article is using the net for a *FREE* ride which > it is not. Why should Companys, Universities, and private individuals > pay for MDEE's advertising cost.... > > The net needs to decide this with the fastest possible speed, for if > we do not the net will be flooded with every possible item for sale. > There is a big difference between an individual posting an article > to na.forsale and selling that item; and what MDEE is doing with her > postings. Sheesh. What's the big difference? "Why should Companys, Universities, and private individuals pay for" *anyone's* "advertising cost?" Why should they pay for reviews about books or movies? Please understand, I am not saying that they *shouldn't*. But any mention on the net of job availability falls into this category then doesn't it? And when someone is looking for a job and posts a resume which is read by a company who hires him or her didn't both benefit from the *FREE* ride? In any event, look again. The net already *is* flooded with every possible item for sale. And these "ads" are often sent with the widest possible distribution. (It will be a while before the NJ Dinette Set will be forgotten, no?) > If the net cannot decide on this issue, I call for a poll to rmgroup > net.jobs and create mod.jobs. You are volunteering to moderate? What will be your criteria for an allowable posting? (I'm not sure you'd make a good moderator. You're too testy :-).) -- Fred @ DEC Ultrix Applications Center {decvax,seismo,cbosgd}!decuac!avolio
elf@utcsri.UUCP (Eugene Fiume) (01/03/86)
> > The poster of the article is using the net for a *FREE* ride which > it is not. Why should Companys, Universities, and private individuals > pay for MDEE's advertising cost. The net is not *FREE* it does cost > money to keep it running. > (0) The signature line of the poster of this message was longer than mdee's entire message. (1) This argument can (and perhaps should) apply to everyone on the net. Aren't flames, unsolicited opinions, and lucid diatribes ALL advertising something? Advertising one's ego, intelligence or resume are different? All may ultimately result in monetary advantage. (2) RELAX. If you can't, worry about more important things. -- Eugene Fiume {decvax|allegra}!utcsri!elf
abh6509@ritcv.UUCP (A. Hudson) (01/03/86)
Some people in universities ARE looking for Jobs. 100% of every graduating class is a reasonable estimate, myself included. Any source of jobs should be allowed to post as far as I am concerned. In article <749@decuac.UUCP> avolio@decuac.UUCP (Frederick M. Avolio) writes: >You are volunteering to moderate? What will be your criteria for >an allowable posting? (I'm not sure you'd make a good moderator. >You're too testy :-).) >-- >Fred @ DEC Ultrix Applications Center {decvax,seismo,cbosgd}!decuac!avolio I second the opinion. A. Hudson
woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods) (01/03/86)
> In response to the referenced posting, I am asking that the net > be polled as to whether postings of this nature should be allowed > to continue. [It was a job opening announcement] I hardly think 6 lines is all that objectionable. Certainly no worse than people posting their resumes. That article was perfectly in line with the purpose of the group to which it was posted, and was very short. I don't see why the big stink. > The poster of the article is using the net for a *FREE* ride which > it is not. Not quite, because I think the net at large benefits from having access to knowing where the jobs are. > The net needs to decide this with the fastest possible speed, for if > we do not the net will be flooded with every possible item for sale. net.jobs has been around for a long time, and the net has not been "flooded". Your posting is liable to draw a LOT more traffic than the article in question. > There is a big difference between an individual posting an article > to na.forsale and selling that item; and what MDEE is doing with her > postings. Really? What is it? > If the net cannot decide on this issue, I call for a poll to rmgroup > net.jobs and create mod.jobs. I'm for that, but only becvause I think that the only way to save the net is to moderate practically ALL groups, but that's another issue. Even if we DO eventually create mod.jobs I don't want to see job opening notices eliminated. Especially since the organization I work for is facing a possible big budget cut! :-) > I ask that while the net is deciding the > issue that a cancel message be sent out on the referenced article and > MDEE be informed that all further postings from her will not be > forwarded. Since when have we adopted a "guilty until proven innocent" policy? --Greg -- {ucbvax!hplabs | decvax!noao | mcvax!seismo | ihnp4!seismo} !hao!woods CSNET: woods@NCAR ARPA: woods%ncar@CSNET-RELAY
afa@homxb.UUCP (A.ACKERMAN) (01/04/86)
****** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR FAVORITE HEADHUNTER ************ I found Terry Ridder's call-to-arms against headhunters about as amusing as his misinformation to all of us on working overseas. Terry, who appointed you to be the latest in a long line of net.dictators? It seems that this headhunter discussion popped up in this newsgroup last year about the same time (concurrent with a Marilyn Dee posting). Some howled, others applauded. And now folks, let's look a little more closly at what Terry has to say (in brief, I don't like it when others repost an article in its entirety just to make a one paragraph point): >The poster of the article is using the net for a *FREE* ride which >it is not. Why should Companys, Universities, and private individuals >pay for MDEE'S advertising cost? I'm going to make the following assumptions here: 1. MDEE is a company or an employee of one. 2. MDEE has a site ---> She pays the phone bill too. 3. MDEE is also a private individual. Thus, MDEE meets all of your overblown criteria, Terry. So why are you so upset????? >There is a big difference between an individual posting an article >to na.forsale and selling that item; and what MDEE is doing with >her postings. Want to tell us what the *big difference* is, Terry? To me, selling an item and headhunter postings equals *CASH*. If I can sell you some nice land in Florida over the net, whether it is an individual transaction between us or not, why can't MDEE advertise her services? You have a glaring double standard coming with that comment. > ... I ask that while the net is deciding the >issue that a cancel message be sent out on the refernced article and >MDEE be informed that all further postings from her will not be >forwarded. Stick it in your ear, buddy! MDEE pays for the net like the rest of us. Who the hell do you think you are , net.policeman? If this was the case, how would canceling her messages be carried out? What if she was responding/posting to something that had nothing to do with her business? I suggest you take a look at the First Amendment and the "readnews" UNIX man page so that you learn how to use the "n" key when you come upon articles you don't want to see. The moral of the story is: Screw you Jack! If I want to see a posting from a headhunter, I will. And *WITHOUT YOUR SELF_RIGHTOUS INTERFERENCE !! * whew.... Bob McIlree AT&T Bell Labs Middletown, NJ The preceding was a message from Bob McIlree, and not from his employer. All headhunters should note that I am very satisfied in my current position, and have no plans to leave.
scarter@caip.RUTGERS.EDU (Stephen M. Carter) (01/04/86)
In article <2673@umcp-cs.UUCP> tlr@umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) writes: >In response to the referenced posting, I am asking that the net >be polled as to whether postings of this nature should be allowed >to continue. > I would say to let it ride. A job is a job. Let the reader decide if he/she wants to use the information or not. After all, most postings can be looked at as an "ad" if it mentions a product that one should buy or place where one should visit. Should we edit net.auto and cut anything that mentions "Ford"??? However, I would not mind a marker of some sort in the header line, just so everyone knows where they are coming from...(and a small donation to the local SPCA for each posting :-) )
green@osu-eddie.UUCP (Jeffrey Greenberg) (01/04/86)
** It is plain that Mr. Ridder doesn't like headhunters and desires to push this point to the extreme... If you've been following this newsgroup, as I expect nearly everyone has, Mr. Ridder is well known for two things: he thinks headhunters are ripoffs, and, his youngest child has important things for all of us to hear. It seems to me that professional information is worth supporting on this network and that job information, from wherever it comes, is professional information. There is nothing wrong with the ads we have seen: they are brief and to the point. What we fear is the obsequeous "madison ave" ad, and only because we are so insulted and inundated by it on TV. (Though the ads are often far more powerful than the TV shows, telling whole stories in 15 seconds). Jeffrey Greenberg cbosgd!osu-eddie!green
bzs@bu-cs.UUCP (Barry Shein) (01/05/86)
Article 1. >From: tlr@umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) >Organization: The Terry L. Ridder Family > >In response to the referenced posting, I am asking that the net >be polled as to whether postings of this nature should be allowed >to continue. > >The poster of the article is using the net for a *FREE* ride which >it is not. Why should Companys, Universities, and private individuals >pay for MDEE's advertising cost. The net is not *FREE* it does cost >money to keep it running. Article 2. >From: avolio@decuac.UUCP (Frederick M. Avolio) >Organization: ULTRIX Applications Center, MD > >Sheesh. What's the big difference? "Why should Companys, Universities, >and private individuals pay for" *anyone's* "advertising cost?" Why should >they pay for reviews about books or movies? A while ago I remember posting an article claiming that it seemed that commercial concerns were often (not always, of course I get a reply from one lone individual out there who says "not me") playing apologists for commercial uses of the net while non-commercial users were flaming about such uses. Seems like we have a good one here. I for one am quite rabidly against the commercialization of this net. A review is not an advertisement (ask how much the movie paid to be reviewed in your local newspaper, hopefully nothing, anything else would be a scandal), gimme a break, you are stretching the term beyond limit. I suppose this note is an advertisement for Dictionaries because it is in English (more or less.) Just because someone may happen to benefit (eg. a good product review) is not proof of an advertisement (this is so silly I don't know why I even argue.) I doubt one would like to play Philadelphia lawyer (old idiom, hairsplitter) with someone like that. No, I doubt we could come up with hard and fast rules that apply like a mathematical formula for what is commercial and what is not. Yes, I agree it's hard to see how a job offer is going to be completely non-commercial when obviously only companies usually hire people on this net (I doubt anyone will get too much luck with domestic help wanteds here.) I suspect the rule will have to be (and has been) relaxed quite a bit for net.jobs so the example above may be bad (Fred may even be right tho he has a weird way of reasoning it out.) I would offer one possible rule of thumb with products other than jobs (is a job a product?): If new ones will be manufactured/obtained and distributed by you to fill demand, then it probably doesn't belong on the net. That is, me selling my car is ok, GM selling their cars isn't...simple, no? Me selling my PC is ok, an IBM dealer hawking PCs is not, etc. I am sure some bean-counter out there will find an exception to this but I rely on people's good judgement to go with the spirit and not the letter of such a rule (if it were adopted.) Of course this all presumes a financial transaction first. I am seeing more and more violations of this unofficial rule, as I said before, I think the companies out there are getting *real* hungry for the opportunity and some are starting to burst forth. As a bottom line argument, isn't there a legal reason why we have to be careful about such things? I seem to remember one of the net-gods explaining something about the FCC reclassifying life as we know it if they adjudge commercialism and we will all have to start seeing an ad every 7 mail messages of which 3 must be I Love Lucy re-runs :-) I'm serious, I think a lot of the commercial folks out there don't under- stand in their lust for profits that they can sink the ship for a little free advertising. -Barry Shein, Boston University This is not an ad for Boston University, in fact, it may have a negative effect....
gds@mit-eddie.UUCP (Greg Skinner) (01/06/86)
It seems that this problem with companies posting job offers has only
cropped up when the company is acting as an intermediary between us
readers and the actual company which is offering the job. While I
understand that certain contracting firms have an obligation not to
disclose the names of the companies which contract them to supply them
with employees, I do not think the net is an appropriate place for
unknown third parties to benefit from the hiring of contracted workers
at the net's expense.
mod.jobs is starting to look like a good idea! (as an alternative, NOT
a replacement to net.jobs. if anyone is interested in its creation get
in touch with me!) in mod.jobs, criteria for the posting of job
availability and person availability can be set which cannot in
net.jobs.
In the meantime, I would ask that contracting firms be prepared not to
have their articles forwarded through the net, since some sites may not
wish to support the hiring needs of unknown third parties (they may be
competitors!). (NB: I'm not saying I won't pass on these articles, but
I could understand commercial sites unwillingness to.)
--
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under.
Greg Skinner (gregbo)
{decvax!genrad, allegra, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds
gds@mit-eddie.mit.edumsc@saber.UUCP (Mark Callow) (01/07/86)
> From: Barry Shein, Boston University > > >From: avolio@decuac.UUCP (Frederick M. Avolio) > >Organization: ULTRIX Applications Center, MD > > > >Sheesh. What's the big difference? "Why should Companys, Universities, > >and private individuals pay for" *anyone's* "advertising cost?" Why should > >they pay for reviews about books or movies? > > A while ago I remember posting an article claiming that it seemed that > commercial concerns were often (..text deleted..) one lone individual > playing apologists for commercial uses of the net while non-commercial > users were flaming about such uses. > > Seems like we have a good one here. I suspect Digital's usenet bills are a great deal higher than BU's. According to my sources, the difference is not unadjacent to seven figures. Let's get this discussion out of net.jobs. It was old before it started. -- From the TARDIS of Mark Callow msc@saber.uucp, sun!saber!msc@decwrl.dec.com ...{ihnp4,sun}!saber!msc "Boards are long and hard and made of wood"
skip@ubvax.UUCP (Skip Addison Jr) (01/14/86)
Newsgroups: net.jobs,net.news.groups Subject: Re: Job Openings (very mild flame) Summary: Expires: References: <1314@ames.UUCP> <15600006@orstcs.UUCP> Sender: Reply-To: skip@ubvax.UUCP (Skip Addison Jr) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Ungermann-Bass, Inc., Santa Clara, Ca. Keywords: We seem to be forming a consensus of opinion here and I want to get my $27 or $35 worth in (or whatever one of these messages cost). The net is for the benefit of the readers. Articles which do not benefit the readers of the network should not be sent. mdee's articles were short, to the point, and may benefit those looking for a job. If every head-hunter could meet those qualities, let them all post. The more short, to the point postings looking for people who are likely to be reading net.jobs, the better. My fingers are itching to write a 15 screen observation that the complaints about someone getting a free ride cost many times more than the original article. But I won't. :-) -- Skip Addison lll-crg!amdcad!cae780!ubvax!skip
jeffz@masscomp.UUCP (Jeff Zank) (01/20/86)
** UNIX SYSTEMS ENGINEER job at MASSCOMP in Columbus OH ** Excellent opportunity to join a rapidly growing manufacture of computer systems. The MASSCOMP 5000 Series Computer and Work Station is a leader in 32-bit computing, as well as a leader in real-time data-acquisition. The individual we are seeking will provide pre-sales support to customers in the Detroit area. Qualified individuals will possess a technical degree or equivalent experience and be proficient with the UNIX operating system as well as FORTRAN. MASSCOMP offers an aggressive compensation package, excellent benefits and equity. MASSCOMP is an equal opportunity employer. Please respond to: Michael J. Orlich MASSCOMP 6500 Busch Blvd. Suite 210 Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 431-1778
jim@nsc-pdc.UUCP (Jim Fassenfelt) (03/11/86)
National Semiconductor Corp. near Portland, Ore. currently has openings for individuals interested in applications engineering and software development to support its ongoing effort. NSC's Portland Development Center is involved in developing a family of UNIX(tm) machines based on the National 32000 chip set. NSC-PDC, while part of a large corporation, enjoys the comfortable atmosphere of a much smaller organization. Positions demand familiarity with C programming and the Unix operating system. A background in hardware design or evaluation is highly desired. At least several years experience in hardware or software design is required. Experience with device drivers would be helpful. Applications Engineering (multiple levels): Work with National's OEM customers to help integrate our ICM products into the OEM's system. Perform software development as necessary to help customer integration, new product development, and in house use. While this position involves assisting customers in their use of our products, the position is for an applications engineer who works in house, not a field applications engineer that has been discussed recently on the net. The majority of the time spent will be in solving problems. Salary is competitive and, of course, commensurate with experience. SEND RESUMES TO: National Semiconductor Corp. Portland Development Center Attn: Jim Fassenfelt 15201 NW Greenbrier Pkwy. Beaverton, OR 97006 Email questions, Emailed resumes are not appropriate. National Semiconductor Corp. is an equal opportunity employer. *Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T Bell Laboratories. ...!tektronix!reed!nsc-pdc!jim ...!ihnp4!nsc!nsc-pdc!jim
anna@ucla-cs.UUCP (03/14/86)
AI SPECIALIST Background: Lisp programming preferred Expert systems a plus For more information and details contact: Stuart B. Levine Interstate Electronics Corp. 707 E. Vermont Ave. POB 3117 Anaheim, CA 92803 (714) 758-0500