[comp.protocols.tcp-ip] TCP/IP over ISDN

jpp@specialix.co.uk (John Pettitt) (09/17/90)

Well ?  has anybody done it ?   I am told that I can get call setup
times of the order of 200ms over ISDN.  If this is true it should be
possible to `fake' a connected all the time link using ISDN thus
saving the cost of a leased line.  

This does sound rather too good to be true.  Comments ?


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pi@complx.UUCP (Kurt Jaeger) (09/18/90)

In article <1990Sep17.100257.9110@specialix.co.uk> jpp@specialix.co.uk (John Pettitt) writes:
>Well ?  has anybody done it ?   I am told that I can get call setup
>times of the order of 200ms over ISDN.
Thats right. You can get something like a "leased ISDN" which requires
You to pay (e.g. here in the FRG) at least 80 hours per month of
connect time, but it will connect the line in a very short time. I think
the 200ms depend on the distance to the goal.

>If this is true it should be possible to `fake' a connected all the
>time link using ISDN thus saving the cost of a leased line.
Well, but it is NOT needed to use a fast-dial ISDN line. At the recent
GUUG meeting Wiesbaden I have seen a normal ISDN setup with IP over ISDN.
The line had a timeout of 20 seconds and automatically redialed when
there were more packets. The timeout can be configured, they said...
The dialing time was approx. three seconds, so IP wont recognize it
anyway.

I did a telnet to a host approx. 100km away and ftp'ed from there
the kernel. The transmission rate was 5.2KB/sec (hashing enabled).

The company offering the software (for 386er *IX, almost all important
brands) can be reached at:

BinTec
Computersysteme
Willstaetter Strasse 30
D-8500 Nuernberg 60
Tel. 0911-99675-0
Fax. 0911-6880725

I do not have any correlations with them, except hoping to reduce my
News-feed-costs :)

>This does sound rather too good to be true.  Comments ?
It sounds very interesting, yes. Well, that solution is useful for
european ISDN-lines only, I assume :(

              So long, PI

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08071TCP%MSU@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (Doug Nelson) (09/19/90)

>Well ?  has anybody done it ?   I am told that I can get call setup
>times of the order of 200ms over ISDN.  If this is true it should be
>possible to `fake' a connected all the time link using ISDN thus
>saving the cost of a leased line.
>
>This does sound rather too good to be true.  Comments ?

Yes, it has been done, at least with a PC as a router (based on KA9Q).
We have done a demo of it right here on our campus.  The ISDN packet
driver used in this demo was developed at the University of Michigan.  I
don't know what its status is - it hasn't been contributed to the public
packet driver collection.  This one doesn't do anything about dropping
the phone call when the line is idle and redialing when it's back, but
that could be added, I'm sure.

Doug Nelson
Michigan State University

hagiwara@sm.sony.co.jp (Takashi Hagiwara) (09/19/90)

In article <9009182032.AA05594@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, 08071TCP%MSU@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (Doug Nelson) writes:
> >Well ?  has anybody done it ?   I am told that I can get call setup
> >times of the order of 200ms over ISDN.  If this is true it should be
> >possible to `fake' a connected all the time link using ISDN thus
> >saving the cost of a leased line.
> >
> >This does sound rather too good to be true.  Comments ?
 
Yes, it has been done. We, sony, has a unix-based workstation,
it has the ISDN Interface board. (We got an apploval of PTT of Japan.)
Our machine installed this board can be used as a TCP/IP gateway between
Lan and ISDN.

We will demonstorate TCP/IP over ISDN at InterOP '90.
If anyone is interested in it, please stop by at Sony booth.

					Takashi Hagiwara
					(Hagiwara@Sm.Sony.Co.Jp)

dap@aber-cs.UUCP (Dave Price) (09/19/90)

I was interested to hear of the PD written at Michigan.
I am currently writing one for a MITEL EXPRESS Card.

Can anyone tell me more about the Michigan work?
Dave Price

ms@unido.UUCP (Marc Sheldon) (09/21/90)

pi@complx.UUCP (Kurt Jaeger) writes:
>>This does sound rather too good to be true.  Comments ?
>It sounds very interesting, yes. Well, that solution is useful for
>european ISDN-lines only, I assume :(

It should also work for American ISDN. The supported ISDN-hardware is
capable of the American national ISDN-Standard. The only problem you
will get is to find another person using the proprietary IP-over-ISDN-
implementation of BinTec. But, better still, i hear that they are working
on a PPP-implementation ... Coming real soon now ...

We are going to offer Network-connections to UNIDO using this
implementation of IP-over-ISDN in approx. 3 weeks.

Marc

Marc R. Sheldon                             e-mail : ms@Uni-Dortmund.DE
University of Dortmund, CS-Department
P.O.Box 500500                              voice  : +49 231 7552444
D-4600 Dortmund 50,  West Germany           FAX    : +49 231 7552386

mts@TERMINATOR.CC.UMICH.EDU (Michael T. Stolarchuk) (09/21/90)

I'm suprised dory leifer hasn't said anything... Maybe he doesn't
read tcp-ip.  He has been working on tcp-ip over ISDN for over
a year.  He demoed his work at the last year educom at UofMichigan.

I'm cc-ing him on this message in the hope that it will prompt
him to send mail to tcp-ip.

mts. the snail.

ole@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU (Ole J. Jacobsen) (09/22/90)

The Michigan ISDN work is described in the October (INTEROP) issue of
ConneXions, page 27. The article is by Dory Leifer of Umich who will
also be showing the ISDN implementation on the INTEROP 90 show floor.


PS. The first sentence of the article has a typo which was introduced
by the editor (me). It refers to ISDN as Integrated Services DATA Network
instead of Digital Network. Oops, sorry, I need more AI than a spell-
checker.  :-)


Ole J Jacobsen, Editor & Publisher ConneXions--The Interoperability Report 
Interop, Inc., 480 San Antonio Road, Suite 100
Mountain View, CA 94040, USA
Phone: (415) 941-3399  FAX: (415) 949-1779  Email: ole@csli.stanford.edu

del@RUNNINGMAN.CC.UMICH.EDU (Dory Leifer) (09/22/90)

 
I'm suprised dory leifer hasn't said anything... Maybe he doesn't
read tcp-ip.  He has been working on tcp-ip over ISDN for over
a year.  He demoed his work at the last year educom at UofMichigan.
 
I'm cc-ing him on this message in the hope that it will prompt
him to send mail to tcp-ip.
 
mts. the snail.

--------

Thanks Mike. I usually do not read tcp-ip because of the large
volume of traffic on it. People usually do forward me items
that seem relevant to what I am working on. There is a 
separate mailing group that is dedicated to IP over ISDN.
I would suggest that interested parties move their discussion
to this group. The group can be addressed at:

TCP-ISDN@list.prime.com

or TCP-ISDN-REQUEST@list.prim.com  to be added.

In any case,  I will be doing a demo of IP over ISDN at
InterOp next month as well as a talk on what has been done
here. Also there is a fairly involved article for this
month's issue of Connexions.


Dory Leifer
Information Technology Division
The University of Michigan
+1 313 763 4896