jaw@sesun.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe Wieclawek) (12/08/90)
We must be doing something wrong. This was in December 3,1990 Network World, Volume7,Number 49 "The Newsweekly of User Networking Strategies": Article on page 1: "MAP/TOP group charts new course" by Ellen Messmer (paragraph 12) Bride* said a network manager interconnecting a large multivendor TCP/IP installation will discover that vendors have implemented TCP/IP differently and interoperability is unattainable. "You can"t build a national and international network using TCP/IP," Bride said. * Laurie Bride, manager of network architecture at Boeing Computer Services Co. Joe Wieclawek jaw@sesun.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Jet Propulsion Laboratory Mail stop: 602-145 4800 Oak Grove Drive Office: (818)354-2419 FTS: 792-2419 Pasadena CA 91109
barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) (12/08/90)
In article <1990Dec7.231502.27773@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> jaw@sesun.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Joe Wieclawek) writes: > Bride* said ... "You can"t build a national and international >network using TCP/IP," Bride said. Whew, it's good she warned us before we tried implementing the MILnet, the Arpanet, NSFnet, PSInet, .... -- Barry Margolin, Thinking Machines Corp. barmar@think.com {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
enger@seka.scc.com (Robert M. Enger) (12/10/90)
"You can"t build a national and international
network using TCP/IP," Bride said.
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From: uvaarpa!murdoch!murdoch.acc.virginia.edu!dwells@mcnc.org (Don Wells)
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Subject: 26 Countries now
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=-=-= The Research Internet as of 07 December 1990 =-=-=
The count is now 26 countries (up from 24):
Continents: IP_connected Countries:
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Asia: IL, IN, JP, KR
Australasia: AU, NZ
Europe: AT, BE_[4], CH, DE, DK, ES_[5], FI, FR, GR, IS, IT,
NL, NO, SE, UK
North_America: CA, MX, US (includes Hawaii and Puerto_Rico)
South_America: AR, CL_[6]
=-=-= Notes =-=-=
[1] I count only those countries whose connectivity I have confirmed
with a ping and a TELNET operation. I choose to count only the
research portions of the Internet, not the private corporate IP nets
or military IP nets. If either of the latter two categories were
included the country count would be increased.
[2] An item on p.12 of the 26_November issue of COMPUTERWORLD, under
the title "Casting a wide-reaching Internet", begins: "Internet is a
loosely coupled network of networks --- approximately 5,000 of them in
35 countries serving more than 3 million users." I would like to know
who told the magazine the number "35", and which countries are in that
list. Also, the numbers "5,000" and "3 million" are somewhat higher
than I would have guessed.
[3] Inclusion of certain islands (e.g., NZ, IS, Puerto_Rico) in the
"continent" lists is somewhat arbitrary.
[4] Katholieke Universiteit Leuven is now connected. I have been told
that the SOA for the Belgium [BE] domain is likely to be moved to a
host in the KULEUVEN.BE domain soon.
[5] Spain [ES] is now well connected, and its nameservers advertise
subdomains UPM.ES, IRIS-DCP.ES, CIEMAT.ES, US.ES, FUNDESCO.ES, CICA.ES
and ARTIX.ES. (NOTE: The SOA for ES is still seismo.css.gov in the US,
but mcsun.eu.net says SOA for ES is sun.iris-dcp.es.)
[6] The host in question is physically in Chile, but its name is in
the EDU domain.
=-=-= Anticipated Connectivity =-=-=
I have been informed that:
* Brazil (BR) already has one IP circuit; another is expected.
* Ireland (IE) is expected to connect soon.
* Portugal (PT) is expected to connect soon.
* Hong Kong (HK) is expected to connect soon.
* Antartica (?? :-) ) is expected to connect soon.
* South Africa (ZA) is likely to connect within a year.
I would appreciate being told of any connected IP address in Brazil. I
would appreciate hearing of any other countries that are either
IP_connected, or that expect to be IP_connected "soon".
--
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----- End Included Message -----mckee@CHANCE.MITRE.ORG (H. Craig McKee) (12/11/90)
>We must be doing something wrong. > >This was in December 3,1990 Network World, Volume7,Number 49 "The >Newsweekly of User Networking Strategies": > > * Laurie Bride, manager of network architecture at >Boeing Computer Services Co. Let's not be too quick in our judgement. I'm more inclined to doubt the accuracy of the reporting done by Network World.
kevinr@Tandem.COM (Kevin J. Rowett) (12/13/90)
In article <1990Dec7.231502.27773@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, jaw@sesun.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe Wieclawek) writes: |> (paragraph 12) |> Bride* said a network manager interconnecting a large |> multivendor TCP/IP installation will discover that vendors |> have implemented TCP/IP differently and interoperability |> is unattainable. "You can"t build a national and international |> network using TCP/IP," Bride said. |> |> * Laurie Bride, manager of network architecture at |> Boeing Computer Services Co. The person quoted is one of the most self serving individuals ever to roam corporate America. Ask her if they ever let Jeff Yaplee's voice be heard. He's one of the few sane individials in the BNA group. kevinr@tandem.com 408.285.4325