[comp.protocols.tcp-ip] Product announcement - a serious problem?

kovar@biostat.harvard.edu (David C. Kovar) (04/29/91)

  Someone at Harvard brought this to my attention. Offhand, it seems like
a good way to beat the Internet to death in one move. Like flushing all
the toilets at DEC and watching the plumbing explode. I don't know
exactly how they implemented it, but the parallel approach and the decending
search of a tree approach sounds like they're going to start at the top of
the domain name servers and work they're way down, hitting each server
below a node with a new request. Anyone want to guess at how many nodes
one request would touch, and how much traffic would be generated?

  There also might be a legal side to this, but that's a lot more fuzzy.
I suspect that the research networks would not take kindly to someone
making money by loading down their links, but then again, these guys
are just selling a tool, not a network based service.

-David Kovar

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Subject: 	NetFind, whitepages service for the Internet
From: 		xcaret@csn.org (Xcaret Research)
Newsgroups: 	comp.newprod
Organization: 	Colorado SuperNet Inc.

NetFind, from Xcaret Research, Inc., is a whitepages service for the 
Internet.  Given a person's name and location or organization, NetFind 
returns their Internet electronic mail (email) address.  NetFind 
differs from other whitepages facilities by offering fast and up to 
date service from your own machine.  

NetFind runs from the UNIX command line.  To find John Smith at 
Bigstate University, you just type:

        % netfind smith bigstate

NetFind returns the email address.  Its that simple.

NetFind operates on a Sun3 or Sun4 computer running SunOS 4.0 or 
later with access to the Internet.  Uses only 4MB of disk space.  
Since NetFind runs from the command line, you can use NetFind from 
any remote terminal, Mac or PC that accesses a Sun.

NetFind uses a unique method to actively search the Internet for 
your target.  It does not attempt to keep a database of users across 
the Internet; that would be quite large and constantly out of date.  
Instead, NetFind uses the natural database of the Internet itself: it 
sends multiple parallel requests across the Internet  to machines 
where it suspects the target may reside.  NetFind queries these 
machines for the name you provide as well as for leads on other 
machines nearby.  NetFind in turn searches these discovered 
machines and so on down the hierarchy until the address is found or 
there are no more machines to search.  The whole process is 
surprisingly fast, because NetFind sends searches out in parallel.  

NetFind uses a reference file for domains and a location index.  They 
take up about 3MB.  The first file is a partial list of Internet 
domains.  NetFind uses this list to prime its search.  The list is by 
no means all of the computers it can search.  Rather, it will use the 
information obtained from querying those machines to further its 
search.

The second file is an index of location words.  When you say:

                % netfind smith bigstate

NetFind looks in this index for "bigstate".  Then it resolves the 
information it sees with specific machines in the domain file and 
begins its search.  So, the whole process goes from location word to 
index to domain file and then in parallel searches throughout the 
Internet.

The name can be either a last name or a username. The location 
words are generally geographical or organizational (i.e., switzerland 
or sun) and can be combined to narrow the search  
(i.e., netfind smith bigstate university ).

NetFind is sold with a single user license for $159.  Please call for
educational discounts and site licensing.   You may order by phone, e-
mail or postal mail (include P.O. number, check or credit card).
Please specify your domain name, Sun3 or Sun4, and  the format
(electronic, floppy, 60MB, or 150MB tape).  We don't charge for
floppies, but cartridge tapes are an additional $30 to cover cost.

Xcaret Research, Inc.
2060 Broadway, Suite 320
Boulder, CO  80302
(800) 736-1285
netfind@xcaret.com


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-David C. Kovar
	Consultant				ARPA: kovar@biostat.harvard.edu
	Eclectic Associates			BITNET: corwin@harvarda.bitnet
	Ma Bell: 617-643-3373			MacNET: DKovar

         "It is easier to get forgiveness than permission."

droms@SOL.BUCKNELL.EDU (Ralph E. Droms) (04/30/91)

Xcaret does not depend solely on a descending tree search of DNS; it
uses a collection of heuristics to determine where to start searching
and then may elect to extend its search through DNS.

The work on which Xcaret is based is described in:

Michael Schwartz and Panagiotis G. Tsirigotis, "Experience with a
Semantically Cognizant Internet White Pages Directory Tool", Journal
of Internetworking: Research and Experience 2, 1 (March, 1991).

- Ralph Droms                 Computer Science Department
  droms@bucknell.edu          323 Dana Engineering
                              Bucknell University
  (717) 524-1145              Lewisburg, PA 17837

heimlich@watson.ibm.com (Steve Heimlich) (04/30/91)

A description of this product seems to appear in the March 91 issue of
Internetworking Research and Experience, pp 23-50.  The article is
"Experience with a Semantically Cognizant Internet White Pages Directory
Tool," Michael F. Schwartz and Panagiotis G. Tsirigotis (U. of Colorado
at Boulder).  I believe this paper describes what was announced.

Steve