dalk@vax87.aud.auc.dk (05/24/91)
Hej, I am looking for a map of the Internet for a slide. Does someone on the net have this on a PostScript file (or another print file) ? I am also interested in stuff concerning TCP/IP, ISODE and networks generally. If you have such things please E-mail them to me. Thanx Lars Kalsen Aalborg University Center Denmark
metzger@watson.ibm.com (Perry E. Metzger) (05/28/91)
In article <552.283ced35@vax87.aud.auc.dk> dalk@vax87.aud.auc.dk writes: >I am looking for a map of the Internet for a slide. Does someone on the net >have this on a PostScript file (or another print file) ? At one time, a number of years ago, I saw such a thing. Back then, there was just the ArpaNet and a few other add-ons. Now, there are literally hundreds of thousands of machines on the internet. There are thousands of networks, including lots and lots off people who have SLIP connections to the darndest places (I know people with home ethernet networks and SLIP connections in to the internet). Most of these sites don't have their latitude and longitude known by anyone, including their owners, so a geographic map of sites is, for most sites, impossible. A logical map would tell you very little indeed; it would just be a giant connected graph. Furthermore, there are now lots of cross country networks, too. NSFnet is of course a major backbone, but PSI, AlterNet, and others exist, too. They all interoperate and interconnect, but there is no longer one single nationwide backbone the way that the ArpaNet used to be. If there is a postscript internet map, it must be woefully incomplete, and highly uninformative. Perry Metzger -- "Live Free or Die!" For information on the Libertarian Party, call 1-800-682-1776
logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (Rob Logie) (05/28/91)
Why not just show your class a globe of the planet ??? -- Rob Logie EMAIL: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au Telecom Australia FAX: +61 7 837 4704 TNE Computer Support Services PH: +61 7 837 5174 Brisbane Office "These are my opinions alone"
art@opal.acc.com (Art Berggreen) (05/28/91)
In article <1991May27.173507.20501@watson.ibm.com> metzger@watson.ibm.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: >In article <552.283ced35@vax87.aud.auc.dk> dalk@vax87.aud.auc.dk writes: >>I am looking for a map of the Internet for a slide. Does someone on the net >>have this on a PostScript file (or another print file) ? > >At one time, a number of years ago, I saw such a thing. Back then, >there was just the ArpaNet and a few other add-ons. BBN (if I remember right) used to put up a current map of the internet at each IETF meeting during the mid-to-late '80s. They gave up when there got to be too many nets to make any sense on a page. The Internet has has grown several fold since then. But a map showing just the backbones and regionals (and their interconnection points) might be doable and useful. This could only ever be a snapshot, as the Internet is constantly changing, but the backbones are probably the most stable part. >Perry Metzger Art
joshua@Spies.COM (Joshua Geller) (05/29/91)
In article <1991May28.161202.14155@salt.acc.com> art@opal.acc.com (Art Berggreen) writes: |>But a map showing just the backbones and regionals (and their interconnection |>points) might be doable and useful. This could only ever be a snapshot, |>as the Internet is constantly changing, but the backbones are probably |>the most stable part. Hey, I'd settle for one of the backbones. Backbones and regionals would cause me to literally faint in ecstatsy. I have NSF maps, but as several people point out, that is far from adequate. |>Art josh
hastings+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Eugene F. Hastings") (05/31/91)
There are a number of maps online at nis.nsf.net in the aptly named maps subdirectory. They vary in degree of "obsoleteness" from being as current as is preactical, to being of interest only to compulsive historians. I believe there is comparable information on nic.nordu.net for European nets. Gene
emv@msen.com (Ed Vielmetti) (06/01/91)
> There are a number of maps online at nis.nsf.net in the aptly named maps > subdirectory. They vary in degree of "obsoleteness" from being as current > as is preactical, to being of interest only to compulsive historians. I would hope that the winner of the "Interim NREN" contract would do a better job that this. --Ed
kwe@bbn.com (Kent W. England) (06/04/91)
In article <1991May28.212310.23424@Spies.COM> joshua@Spies.COM (Joshua Geller) writes: > In article <1991May28.161202.14155@salt.acc.com> art@opal.acc.com (Art > Berggreen) writes: > > |>But a map showing just the backbones and regionals (and their interconnection > |>points) might be doable and useful. > > Hey, I'd settle for one of the backbones. Backbones and regionals would cause > me to literally faint in ecstatsy. Even that is not so simple as it would seem. For example, only a few people have actually seen a topology map of the new NSFnet T3 backbone. The public maps I see are a little "cloudy". I'm not complaining, mind you, just noting that maps are hard for a number of reasons. I think there is a IETF mapping working group underway or soon to happen that will be addressing some of the technical issues related to maps of the Internet. But topology mapping is never going to be easy and topology maps are not routing maps, which is what most people really need to see. --Kent
psimpson@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Pete Simpson) (06/05/91)
In article <EMV.91May31153318@bronte.aa.ox.com> emv@msen.com (Ed Vielmetti) writes: >> There are a number of maps online at nis.nsf.net in the aptly named maps >> subdirectory. They vary in degree of "obsoleteness" from being as current >> as is preactical, to being of interest only to compulsive historians. > Are there maps at any other locations? I cannot reach this site. thanks for the info- pete -- Peter J. Simpson |Internet: psimpson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu |Gotten it up Computer Science |Bitnet: TCOMGRD1 at OUACCVMB | lately?? Ohio University |Amateur Radio: KB9DWN | Athens, Ohio | |Fly a Hobie!!
rstory@xopen.co.uk (Robert Story) (06/06/91)
From article <6822@archive.BBN.COM>, by kwe@bbn.com (Kent W. England): > In article <1991May28.212310.23424@Spies.COM> joshua@Spies.COM (Joshua > Geller) writes: >> In article <1991May28.161202.14155@salt.acc.com> art@opal.acc.com (Art >> Berggreen) writes: >> >> |>But a map showing just the backbones and regionals (and their > > Even that is not so simple as it would seem. For example, only a few > people have actually seen a topology map of the new NSFnet T3 backbone. > The public maps I see are a little "cloudy". I'm not complaining, mind > you, just noting that maps are hard for a number of reasons. What is the new NSFnet T3 bacbone?? -- Regards, Robert. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Story X/Open Company Limited UUCP : ...uunet!ukc!xopen!rstory Apex Plaza, Forbury Road EMail: r.story@xopen.co.uk Reading, England, RG1 1AX Voice: +(44) (0)734 508311 FAX: +(44) (0)734 500110