[comp.protocols.tcp-ip] Strange slowness

pace@tabarzin.usace.mil (Joe Pace) (05/30/91)

We have a strange problem when sending data between an Intergraph
workstation and an HP 9000/340, the transfer rate seems to be
very slow (about 500K/minute) compared to other machines (Sun, Unisys,
Apollo) sending the same data to the same HP using the same method.

The network looks like this:

																   
  Sun   Apollo   Intergraph           Unisys                       
   |      |           |                 |                          
---+------+-----------+-----------+-----+------------ (Thick net)
                                  |                                
                             PC Router (Ka9q - IBM AT)                    
                                  |                                
                  -----+----------+----- (Thin Net)                
                       |                                           
                   HP 9000/340                                     
                                                                   
                                                                   
                                                                   
The command being issued from the Sun, Apollo, Unisys, and Intergraph is:

   tar cvfb - 20 . | dd ibs=20b obs=1k | rsh hp-9000 "dd ibs=1k of=data"

The file grows at a rate of about 5 megs/minute when using the
Sun, Apollo, and Unisys machines, but grows by only about 500K/minute
when sending from the Intergraph.

The Intergraph machine does not exhibit this problem when sending to
other Intergraphs or Apollo machines, and is able to transfer
at about 5 megs/minute when sending the data via an Apollo, i.e.,

  ... | rsh apollo "dd bs=1k | rsh hp-9000 'dd ibs=1k of=data' "

Using FTP to copy files exhibits the same behavior.

Does this sound like a familier problem?  It seemd odd that this
is only affecting the Intergraoh machines.

Thanks 

  Joe
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Joe Pace
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raj@hpindwa.cup.hp.com (Rick Jones) (06/03/91)

There are many possibilities when it comes to networking slowness.

Obviously, slower systems talk slower. What might not be so obvious is
that sometimes faster systems end-up talking slower to slower systems
that slower systems do. When this happens you can see a large number
of retransmissions on the sending system. 

The slower system could be the destination, or perhaps an intermediate
router. Check rtxs on the Intergraph - particularly if is is equally
sow talking with other systems 'on the other side' of the PC router.

On newer TCP/IP's, things like 'fast rtx' and VJ congestion control
and avoidance can help overcome 'deficiencies' in paths (slow links,
routers, etc...) Ask your local Intergraph rep if there is 'fast rtx'
or VJ on the system. On such systems, you may still see many rtx's,
but the rates will remain higher.

If you really want to get your hands dirty, stick an analyser on
the wire(s) and trace a few conections.

More gory details can be had via email...

rick jones
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aprm%gd@SHAFTER-EMH2.ARMY.MIL (Gary Dunn) (06/07/91)

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I passed the posting about problems with an Intergraph to an associate;
here's his reply.

  --gd

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Date: Fri Jun  7 14:52:17 1991
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Gary

        The problem is most likely poor TCP/IP on the I tergraph.  Likely
many, many, many retransmissions.  The guy should put an analyser on the 802.3

Dave


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