pete@relay.nixctc.de (Pete Delaney at Nixdorf Cim Technology Center) (03/31/89)
In article <8903291906.AA10842@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>, ruthlk@attunix.att.COM writes: > Path: nixctc!unido!mcvax!uunet!lll-winken!ames!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!attunix.att.COM!ruthlk > > I'd just like to provide the correct information about OPEN LOOK availability: > 1) An OPEN LOOK Beta distribution has been available since Jan. > Information about the OPEN LOOK beta program was posted to this > net several months ago. All companies, not just UNIX International > companies, have been able to participate in the beta program. Is that just the ATT OPEN LOOK toolkit or also the X11/NeWS Merge that has been available since Jan? I have been having difficulty getting a clear picture of the X11/NeWS merge project. > 2) General Availability of the OPEN LOOK source is > 3/31/89. (This Friday!!) I've talked to Christina Hahn at AT&T Unix Europe this week and she provided Licensing Terms for the AT&T OPEN LOOK GUI source product, with a Source Fee of $1,000. Is it safe to assume this is all that is being made available on 3/31/89? What about the NeWS/X11 merge? Also, the AT&T product sheet quotes a XWIN product that appears to be the MIT/DEC X11R3 with support for VGA and CGA on the 386 port, for just :-) $17,000.
cjc@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com (Chris Calabrese[mav]) (04/01/89)
In article <1025@nixctc.DE>, pete@relay.nixctc.de (Pete Delaney at Nixdorf Cim Technology Center) writes: > > Is that just the ATT OPEN LOOK toolkit or also the X11/NeWS Merge that > has been available since Jan? I have been having difficulty getting a clear > picture of the X11/NeWS merge project. > > I've talked to Christina Hahn at AT&T Unix Europe this week and she > provided Licensing Terms for the AT&T OPEN LOOK GUI source product, > with a Source Fee of $1,000. Is it safe to assume this is all that is > being made available on 3/31/89? What about the NeWS/X11 merge? This source (I assume) is the OPEN LOOK widget set for X which AT&T has developed and has just started marketing (it's already on the market in binary). I don't know the availability dates of the source, but this seems reasonable. I can't say much about the X/NeWS merge other than it exists and will be on the market in a few months, along with NDE (NeWS Development Environtment), and View2 (SunView libraries implemented under X). > Also, the AT&T product sheet quotes a XWIN product that appears to be > the MIT/DEC X11R3 with support for VGA and CGA on the 386 port, for just :-) > $17,000. That's exactly what it is. I was under the impression that it wasn't _quite_ that expensive, however. -- Name: Christopher J. Calabrese Brain loaned to: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ att!ulysses!cjc cjc@ulysses.att.com Obligatory Quote: ``Now, where DID I put that bagel?''
fischer@iesd.dk (Lars P. Fischer) (04/01/89)
In article <11394@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com> cjc@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com (Chris Calabrese[mav]) writes: >I can't say much about the X/NeWS merge other than it exists and will >be on the market in a few months, along with NDE (NeWS Development >Environtment), and View2 (SunView libraries implemented under X). ^^^^^ I seem to remember from a Sun briefing that this has been renamed "Xview" (to emphasize that it is not tied to Sun), and that it will be donated to MIT, for free distribution on the X tape. It should be ready for distribution "sometime this spring..". Anyone care to comment? /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.dk, {...}!mcvax!iesd!fischer Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci., University of Aalborg Strandvejen 19, DK-9000 Aalborg, DENMARK Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke
pete@nixctc.DE (Pete Delaney) (04/01/89)
In article <1627@iesd.dk> fischer@iesd.dk (Lars P. Fischer) writes: > >I seem to remember from a Sun briefing that this has been renamed >"Xview" (to emphasize that it is not tied to Sun), and that it will be >donated to MIT, for free distribution on the X tape. It should be >ready for distribution "sometime this spring..". > >Anyone care to comment? That sounds like what the a Sun technical support guru told me the-week-before-last while at the Hannover Fair. Unfortunately however I was unable to confirm it with Michael Arden (the Product Manager for NeWS). Her secetrary was able to send out a NeWS license form for $25,000 however I was hopeing the technical support guru at Hanover was correct. With this stupid OSF vs. UNIX Incorporated nonsense going on, I doubt I could get my management to sign off on a $25,000 license; and with X windows being accepted so well by the market I doubt the guys at Sun expect to sell many more of these $25k licenses any longer. I like programming NeWS more than X, perhaps because I started with it first, perhaps because it's easier. Clearly Po Cheung's xdbx and Don Hopkins CyberSpace make programing both of these windowing systems more enjoyable. I find Don's code (as well as that from Josh Siegel and Don Woods) particularly interesting. Having to switch back a forth between the X and NeWS server's is rather uncomfortable. I have asked the guys at Sun to be a beta for the X11/NeWS merge but haven't heard anything. I was hoping to try integrating it into one of the System V Release 3 (yek!) X servers but .... --pete -- Pete Delaney - Nixdorf UCC | pete@NIXCTC.DE Prefered Addr Loffel Strasse 3 | pyramid!nixctc!pete UUCP from Calf 7000 Stuttgart 70 | pete@RELAY.HUJI.AC.IL Backup Address West Germany | Phone: +49 (711) 7685-128
bob@tinman.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) (04/03/89)
In article <1028@nixctc.DE> pete@nixctc.DE (Pete Delaney) writes: In article <1627@iesd.dk> fischer@iesd.dk (Lars P. Fischer) writes: I seem to remember from a Sun briefing that this has been renamed "Xview" (to emphasize that it is not tied to Sun), and that it will be donated to MIT, for free distribution on the X tape. It should be ready for distribution "sometime this spring..". Anyone care to comment? That sounds like what the a Sun technical support guru told me the-week-before-last while at the Hannover Fair. If you're concerned about something for the X world, you should be reading comp.windows.x, not comp.windows.news. Here's a fairly authoritative-sounding article that appeared there recently: |From: tomj@snowking.Sun.COM (Tom Jacobs) |Newsgroups: comp.windows.x |Subject: Re: SunView to X Windows 11? |Message-ID: <94886@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> |Date: 20 Mar 89 17:54:52 GMT |Reply-To: tomj@sun.UUCP (Tom Jacobs) |Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View | |In article <571@ubbpc.UUCP> wgh@ubbpc.UUCP (William G. Hutchison) writes: |> How hard is it to port from SunView to X Windows 11? | |With XView, the port to X11 is relatively simple. Sun has migrated |SunView onto X11 and retained retained most of the Application |Programming Interface (API). What this means is if you can program |to SunView, you can program to XView pretty easily. Existing |applications (of which there are >2100) can be converted in a few |days to a few weeks (if heavy graphics) . Our early ISVs tell us |that conversion is very straight forward. In addition, XView source |will be donated to the X Consortium for inclusion with X11 release 4. |XView is also portable. We did a "proof-of-concept" port to Ultrix |2.0 (just for fun :-) and demoed it at the OpenWindows press |conference at Uniforum. | |XView is implemented to Xlib and the X Consortium's ICCC |(Inter-Client Communications-Conventions). XView, unlike its |predecessor, is object-oriented (ie. all objects are opaque objects |where clients get() and set() values on objects). It is also has a |static class-based (single-inheritance) system model. The system is |extensible (ie. create new classes, or subclass existing ones), but |it is not a collection of "widgets" and is not based upon Xt. | |Tom Jacobs |Sun Microsystems. Mountain View, CA |Internet and Smail: tomj@sun.UUCP | uucp: uunet!sun!tomj Unfortunately however I was unable to confirm it with Michael Arden (the Product Manager for NeWS). Michelle oversees the product stuff for the X11/NeWS merge, but XView is coming from a different group. I have asked the guys at Sun to be a beta for the X11/NeWS merge but haven't heard anything. I think you're about 18 months too late to be a beta site, and they aren't adding any more to the list these days. I groveled before Ms Arden at SUG in Miami to be one of their early-ship (gamma?) sites, but there seems to be no action on that front either. Bummer...