chow@iris.ucdavis.edu (John L. Chow) (04/04/89)
I am in the process of making the decision of using Microsoft Windows as a standard user interface platform for all application development under MSDOS. However, I have heard mixed feelings about MS Windows from a few people. Some think that it is a very complex windowing environment to program in. Others don't think it is going to be a industrial standard for PC DOS environment. While some like the predefined and consistent user interface environment, there are others who think it is too limited and not flexible if you want to create your own user interface environment. Could some of you please give me your suggestion/advise based on your experience with MS Windows? In addition, I would also like to know: 1. What is the future of MS Windows as a standard for DOS? 2. What are the best reference books on programming MS Windows? 3. Any comments about Glockenspiel's CommonView using C++ for Windows programming? 4. How complex is it for a normal C programmer to learn and use it for a major program development? Is taking a class to learn about MS Windows a good idea? Who offers the best class? 5. What are other alternatives (i.e., NewWave) if MS Windows is not recommended? Thank you very much in advance for your suggestions. -- John Chow chow@iris.ucdavis.edu
pdavid@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Paul C. David) (04/05/89)
In article <3884@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> chow@iris.ucdavis.edu (John L. Chow) writes: >I am in the process of making the decision of using Microsoft >1. What is the future of MS Windows as a standard for DOS? This borders on being a religious issue. From a stylistic point of view, it is said to be very similar to the OS/2 Presentation Manager development environment. There are even software tools to help out on this. >2. What are the best reference books on programming MS Windows? Definitely "Programming Windows" by Petzold. Brought to you by the folks at Microsoft Press. >3. Any comments about Glockenspiel's CommonView using C++ for Windows > programming? Rumbling are that Microsoft will support it. Also that porting to a different windowing environment is a matter of setting a new flag at compile time. So far X-Windows and NeWS are supported. Many feel that Macintosh will follow suit (no pun intended). >4. How complex is it for a normal C programmer to learn and use it for > a major program development? Is taking a class to learn about MS > Windows a good idea? Who offers the best class? If you've got the money, Microsoft University puts out a series of videos, with workbooks. Otherwise, unless UCD teaches a class in Windowing Environments, you may get by just studying Petzold'd book. Experience in any Windowing system will give you a head start. > chow@iris.ucdavis.edu -- Paul C. David pdavid@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU California Polytechic State University, San Luis Obispo Home of the six-year or 60,000 mile undergraduate degree
chow@iris.ucdavis.edu (John L. Chow) (04/07/89)
In your response to my questions posted in comp.windows.news: > From: chris@goedel.uucp (Chris White) > Newsgroups: comp.windows.news > Subject: Re: Application development using Microsoft Windows > Date: 5 Apr 89 11:39:22 GMT > Organization: Logic Lab, CIS Dept., Syracuse University > > Really John, asking this newsgroup for advice on MS Windows > is like going into a Porshe dealership and asking them whether you should > buy a Yugo. > Not only did I find your answer inappropriate, it was not humorous either! I posted the questions simply trying to find out if relevant readers would have answers to them. If you didn't think you had the answer to my questions, I would assume you not answer them. People who read and use the NET are generally engaging in higher education. I think that they should have the maturity not to insult others when there is disagreement. Frankly Chris, I do think your response very amusing! -- John
jbw@bucsb.UUCP (jbw) (04/09/89)
chow@iris.ucdavis.edu (John L. Chow) writes: >In your response to my questions posted in comp.windows.news: > > From: chris@goedel.uucp (Chris White) > > Really John, asking this newsgroup for advice on MS Windows > > is like going into a Porshe dealership and asking them whether you should > > buy a Yugo. > >Not only did I find your answer inappropriate, it was not humorous >either! However, it was humorous, and many of us enjoyed it. >I posted the questions simply trying to find out if relevant readers >would have answers to them. If you didn't think you had the answer >to my questions, I would assume you not answer them. So then, Chris may only post if it is of direct benefit to you? The enjoyment he brought to the rest of us doesn't count? -- Joe Wells INTERNET: jbw%bucsf.bu.edu@bu-it.bu.edu IP: [128.197.10.201] UUCP: ...!harvard!bu-cs!bucsf!jbw
ken@capone.gatech.edu (Ken Seefried iii) (04/09/89)
In article <3903@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> chow@iris.ucdavis.edu (John L. Chow) writes: > >In your response to my questions posted in comp.windows.news: > > > > > Really John, asking this newsgroup for advice on MS Windows > > is like going into a Porshe dealership and asking them whether you should > > buy a Yugo. > > > >Not only did I find your answer inappropriate, it was not humorous either! >I posted the questions simply trying to find out if relevant readers would have >answers to them. If you didn't think you had the answer to my questions, >I would assume you not answer them. People who read and use the NET are >generally engaging in higher education. I think that they should have the >maturity not to insult others when there is disagreement. > >Frankly Chris, I do think your response very amusing! > >-- John Frankly, I would imagine most people who read the NeWS newsgroup DID find it funny. What ISN'T funny is someone like YOU indiscriminately cross-posting to a bunch of newsgroups that in NO WAY relate to your question. Just to make it VERY clear, asking MS Windows questions in the Sun NeWS newsgroup does not meet you criteria of reaching "relevant readers", even tho there will certainly be knowledgeable people here. Chris was very nicely making the point that your note was not appropriate, and I think you should have the "maturity not to insult..." when you are wrong. As far as "higher education" (what WAS the relevance of that, by the way), please read news.announce.newusers so that you will be educated as to what is proper net behaviour concerning cross-posting. Oh, and having been exposed to both NeWS and Windows...the Porsche/Yugo analogy was appropriate... ...ken ken seefried iii ...!{akgua, allegra, amd, harpo, hplabs, ken@gatech.edu masscomp, rlgvax, sb1, uf-cgrl, unmvax, ccastks@gitvm1.bitnet ut-ngp, ut-sally}!gatech!ken
chow@iris.ucdavis.edu (John L. Chow) (04/11/89)
To all, Please let me clarify one thing that would help us all to settle down our misunderstanding on the recent article postings. When I was getting ready to post my MS Windows questions initially, I was suggested by someone to include comp.windows.news (along with comp.windows.ms and comp.windows.misc). At the time, it appeared to us (and somewhat misinterpreted) that comp.windows.news was a 'news' group for windows and not the SUN's 'NeWS' group. ^^^^ ^^^^ I had no intention to generate all the confusion to the readers in that group and most certainly did not try to cross-posting. My apology for the misunderstanding. -- John P.S. I like SUN's NeWS too! :-)
"Charles_Nail.WBST129"@XEROX.COM (04/14/89)
Chris, I am not aware of NeWS being available for 386's in general; my understanding the Sun 386i is the 386 system licensed to use the package. If I am wrong, will you please set me straight? Charlie
benson@rlgvax.UUCP (Paul Benson) (04/14/89)
>>generally engaging in higher education. I think that they should have the
I feel as though this discussion has been educational.
Bob.