vwayland@isis.cs.du.edu (Vincent B. Wayland) (03/05/91)
Submitted-by: vwayland@isis.cs.du.edu (Vincent B. Wayland) Where and how does one go about getting copies of the various Posix documents? Are they available via email or FTPing? 3 1/2" diskette? I also mean the various draft standards-to-be, too. Thanks, Vince Wayland 215 Cimmaron Way Boulder, CO 80303 (303) 499-9027 Volume-Number: Volume 22, Number 138
berggren@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Eric Berggren) (03/12/91)
Submitted-by: berggren@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Eric Berggren) vwayland@isis.cs.du.edu (Vincent B. Wayland) writes: >Submitted-by: vwayland@isis.cs.du.edu (Vincent B. Wayland) >Where and how does one go about getting copies of the various Posix documents? >Are they available via email or FTPing? 3 1/2" diskette? I also mean the >various draft standards-to-be, too. They only way I have been told is through the mail. My original question was how much, but this is what I received for addresses/phone numbers... Computer Society 202-371-0101 (order by Credit Card) Computer Society (publications office) 714-821-8380 Lisa Granoien IEEE Computer Society 1730 Massachusetts Ave. Washington DC, 20036-1903 (202)371-0101 (202)728-9614 Fax Ed Palmer (Executive Director, UniForum association) uunet!usrgrp!ed Try these places. -e.b. ============================================================================== Eric Berggren | "The force of the 'Dark Side' eminates from Computer Science/Eng. | the ominous DeathStar looming overhead." berggren@eecs.cs.pdx.edu | - Down with AT&T! - Volume-Number: Volume 23, Number 6
berggren@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Eric Berggren) (03/13/91)
Submitted-by: berggren@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Eric Berggren) berggren@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Eric Berggren) writes: >Submitted-by: berggren@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Eric Berggren) >vwayland@isis.cs.du.edu (Vincent B. Wayland) writes: >>Submitted-by: vwayland@isis.cs.du.edu (Vincent B. Wayland) >>Where and how does one go about getting copies of the various Posix documents? >>Are they available via email or FTPing? 3 1/2" diskette? I also mean the >>various draft standards-to-be, too. Okay, here we go. I finally got a reply from Jim Isaak, who is the treasurer of the POSIX group regarding all of this. Here is his reply: Eric, Below is a summary of information about the POSIX standard drafts, etc. At this point they are not available on-line; and there is a fee for copies (and lots and lots of pages; 1003.2 is now approaching 1000 pages). 1003.1 has no "subsets" defined (so for example, MS/DOS and embedded real time systems cannot conform, at least w/o major revision). 1003.1 does have options, in general fairly small incremental features (multiple groups...). You might want to get FIPS 151-1 from the US Government; this procurement specification eliminates most of the options in 1003.1, and mandates a particular set. 1003.4 is totally optional, and is segmented into seperable options ... so there is much room there for subsetting. 1003.13 is developing profiles of combinations of 1003.1 plus 1003.4; this effort is likely to propose some subset of 1003.1 to address the embedded realtime concept. 1003.2 and 1003.1 are seperable; so a system without shell and tools can conform to 1003.1 (although not to 1003.2); so this may also be considered a form of subsetting from a "UNIX" perspective. I hope this helps; Jim Isaak ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sources of information about the POSIX Standards 3/8/91 ================================================ A quick picture: Copies of the IEEE POSIX.1 Standard (IEEE Std. 1003.1-1990) can be obtained from the IEEE Computer Society at 714-821-8380 (See below for international sources) Copies of Draft standards in progress can be obtained from the IEEE Computer Society office: 202-371-0101. IEEE is offering a seminar on the POSIX standards, for more details, contact: +800 678-IEEE (see IEEE Stds Office below) Information on the POSIX Conformance Test Suite used by the U.S. Government can be obtained from: 703-487-4650, Order # PB90-500919. A guide to developing POSIX conforming applications is now in print from: "A Practical Guide to the POSIX.1 Standard", by Fred Zlotnick Benjamin/Cummings Publisher [415-594-4400] Uniforum publishes a set of "POSIX Explored" publications on the POSIX standards. These can be obtained from Uniforum, +408-986-8840. ============================================================ The more detailed view ============================================================ 1) Machine readable, any form: currently this is not available, IEEE is looking into what is required for this to make sense. (small POSIX drafts are 100 pages; larger ones 1000) 2) Paper copies of Published Standards. There are two versions of POSIX.1: ISO/IEC IS 9945-1:1990 (a.k.a. IEEE Std. 1003.1-1990). The ISO and IEEE documents are identical except for the covers. This is the only "fully approved" POSIX standard at this point, it replaces IEEE Std. 1003.1-1988, which is still referenced by the U.S. Government FIPS 151-1. The ISO documents can be ordered through the various national bodies. ANSI in the US, DIN in Germany, etc. (There is an order form in the IEEE Standards Catalog about who can do credit sales. Call (908) 562-3800 to request a copy of the catalog.) Document numbers: POSIX.1: ISO/IEC 9945-1:1990 IEEE Std. 1003.1-1990 IEEE Order number SH13680 IEEE CS Catalog number 1019 ISBN 1-55937-061-0 IEEE Standard availability. The IEEE version can be ordered from several sources. The "SH" number (found on the lower left of the cover or lower right of the front inside cover is the key to ordering it.) There is a 10% quantity discounts (>50 copies) from IEEE. The first copy for IEEE (but not CS) members is 30% discount from IEEE, all others at list. The CS has a different discount schedule that applies to CS members as well. POSIX.1: List $75.00 Continental US Call: Computer Society: (714) 821 8380 (Ask for Customer Service) or IEEE Publication Sales 1-800-678-IEEE Canada: IEEE Canada 908 981-1393 7071 Yonge St. Thornhill, Ontario L3T 2A6 Canada. Outside Continental US or via paper. IEEE Service Center 445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331 Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331 -or- IEEE Computer Society (714) 821 8380 10662 Los Vaqueros Cir. Fax (714) 821 4010 PO Box 3014 Los Alamitos Ca. 90720-3014 Europe: IEEE Computer Society +32 2 770 2198 Jaques Kevers Fax +32 2 770 8505 13, Ave de l'Aquilon B-1200 Burssels, Belgium. Asia: IEEE Computer Society +81 33 408 3181 Ms. Kyoko Mikami Fax +81 33 408 3553 Ooshima Building 2-19-1 Minami Aoyma Minato-Ku, Tokyo 107 Japan ISO Availabity: ISO 1, rue de Varembe Gase Postale 58 CH-1211 Geneve 20 Switzerland/Suisse. ANSI (212) 354-3300 1430 Broadway New York, NY 10010 3) Drafts in Balloting. 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