[comp.std.unix] Standards Update, X3J16: C++

jsh@usenix.org (Jeffrey S. Haemer) (10/03/90)

Submitted-by: jsh@usenix.org (Jeffrey S. Haemer)

           An Update on UNIX1-Related Standards Activities

                           October 3, 1990

                 USENIX Standards Watchdog Committee

          Jeffrey S. Haemer <jsh@usenix.org>, Report Editor

X3J16: C++

Mike Vilot <mjv@objects.mv.com> reports on the July meeting in
Seattle, Washington:

Standard C++?

The C++ programming language has been gaining popularity at a
remarkable rate (an informal estimate is that the C++ population
doubles every nine months).  One reaction to the growing popularity
has been a call to stabilize the language's definition, and achieve
some consistency across implementations.  C++ is popular enough that
larger corporations are considering adopting it as an officially
endorsed development language -- but some cannot make such a move
unless the language is defined by a standard.

For these and other reasons, the ANSI secretariat agreed to establish
the X3J16 committee to formulate a standard for C++.  Dmitry Lenkov,
of HP, made the official proposal, and serves as chairman of the
committee.  To date, X3J16 has met three times: an organizational
meeting last December, the first technical meeting in March to get
organized, and a meeting in July to really get started.

The December meeting, in Washington D.C., was purely administrative:
over 50 attendees received lectures and tons of paper on X3 rules and
procedures.  The highlight of the day was an invited presentation by
Bjarne Stroustrup on ``the spirit of C++.'' The transcript is
available as committee document X3J16/90-0022 or from Greg Comeau at
Comeau Computing, 91-34 120th Street, Richmond Hill, NY 11418, (718)
849-2355.

March meeting

AT&T hosted the meeting in New Jersey.  Most of the week was spent on
administrative matters, while the group got organized and accustomed
to The Bureaucratic Way.  Since most of the members are engineers, the
highlight of the week was the evening technical sessions on
implementing exception handling for C++.  (The week was sort of a

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mini-Usenix conference, as most members had gone without a substantial
C++ gathering since the October '88, Denver conference.)

The week's major activities were discussing and preparing a goals
document, describing the committee's activities and priorities.

Goals

Here is a brief outline of the goals document, which is available as
X3J16/90-0023:

  1.  Base documents: C++ Reference Manual, ANSI C (ANS X3.159-1989),
      ISO C when available.

  2.  Standardize syntax and semantics of the language as a token
      sequence without the presence of preprocessing directives.

  3.  Define and standardize a minimum set of C++ libraries, their
      contents, and interfaces.

  4.  Standardize elements of a C++ environment.

  5.  Consider proposed major changes: parameterized types and
      exceptions.

  6.  Ensure that the standard is suitable for the international
      community.

  7.  Ensure a very high level of compatibility with ANSI C.

  8.  Establish coordinating liaisons with X3J11 (ANSI C) and
      Numerical C Extensions Group.

  9.  Produce two deliverables: draft proposed standard and rationale.

 10.  Priorities:

         - clear & unambiguous

         - C++ reference manual

         - other base documents

         - consistency

         - user/implementer experience

         - portability, efficiency, expressiveness

         - ease of implementation (including translation to C)

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There was some confusion over the multiple base documents.  Most
members had seen the AT&TT C++ version 2.0 reference manual, but in
preparation for standardization, the language and its reference manual
had suffered a number of subsequent, small changes.  AT&T made the 2.1
reference manual available to X3J16; it was essentially the text of
the book The Annotated C++ Reference Manual by Margaret Ellis and
Bjarne Stroustrup published by Addison-Wesley (minus the annotations).

My naive suggestion to remove the ANSI C standard as a base document
in favor of a single base provoked the most intense and emotional
discussion of the week.  At stake was compatibility between C++ and C.

While most members of X3J16 feel that the existence of a separate
committee implies the standardization of a new language, some former
members of X3J11, which just finished the C standard, want to
eliminate any and all incompatibilities with C.  (There was even a
threat to sabotage the C++ standard in balloting if they are not
removed.)

This issue is obviously important and has two sides.  Make your
preferences known to the committee.  For detailed reference material,
both ``C++: As Close as Possible to C -- But No Closer,'' (Bjarne
Stroustrup and Andy Koenig, The C++ Report, 1(7), 1989) and Chapter 18
of The Annotated C++ Reference Manual document and explain differences
and incompatibilities between the languages as they stand today.

Focusing on a language without preprocessing directives continues the
de-emphasis of the C preprocessor.  This is particularly favored by
C++ vendors looking into more powerful development environments.
[Editor: Admittedly, improper preprocessor use can sink us in deep and
dirty bath water, but let's make sure to save the baby.  When writing
portable C, I personally find #ifdefs extremely valuable; I suspect
they will remain valuable in C++, and I would hate to see the working
group neglect this valuable porting tool.]

The libraries effort includes asking what to do about the ANSI-C
library, and investigating what can be standardized in a more C++-like
approach.

The environment work addresses the linking and executing of C++ code
with non-C++ code (i.e., linkage and program execution models), rather
than development environment tools.

There are thousands of suggested ``improvements'' proposed as
extensions to C++, but there is consensus on two named in the goals
document: parameterized types and exception handling.  Their proposals
are detailed, and both have been implemented (in some form) in a few
C++ implementations.

The emphasis on international concerns reflects the lessons learned
from the difficulties of C standardization.  X3J16 has some fences to

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mend, particularly in the international community.  Rather than
waiting until the last minute to spring a standard on the ISO, the C++
committee is involving itself with the international community right
from the start.

July meeting

Microsoft hosted the second, Seattle meeting.  Sub-groups focused on
the key topics listed in the goals statement began work at the March
meeting, and reported their progress in Seattle.

International Concerns
     Steve Carter, of Bellcore, presented the major International
     Concerns (particularly character sets and formal specification)
     and asked the other groups to work on these issues.  He also
     suggested various sites overseas where future X3J16 meetings
     could help cooperation with international standardization
     efforts.

Editorial
     Jonathan Shopirio, of AT&T, presented the Editorial group's
     proposal for organizing and formatting the standard.  Jon is also
     working on an abstract machine model, and a way to define the
     semantics in the standard precisely and consistently.

Formal Syntax
     James Roskind, an independent consultant, presented the work of
     the Formal Syntax group.  He has developed (and published on the
     net) a yacc-able grammar for C++, and is concerned about
     ambiguities in the the language.  Most of the discussion was
     spent trying to discover whether C++ can (or should) be made
     LALR(1).

Core Language
     Andy Koenig, of AT&T, presented the Core Language group's work.
     Initially, they identified and classified difficulties in the
     working document.

Environment
     John Vasta, of HP, presented the work of the Environment group.
     A key issue addressed by this group is the interaction of C++
     with other programming languages.  Among the important topics are
     linkage of C++ and non-C++ translation units, especially the
     construction and destruction of static C++ objects.

Libraries
     I presented the Library group's work.  There were many
     suggestions, from both inside and outside of the committee.
     (Interested outside suggesters were James Coggins, Keith Gorlen,
     and Doug Lea, who have each developed large C++ libraries.) A few
     people noted similarity with topics covered by other standards

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     (notably POSIX).  Initially, the library group will focus on a
     few commonly-used components.  Parameterized types and exception
     handling will significantly effect the way we design libraries in
     C++.

Language Extensions
     Bjarne Stroustrup, of AT&T, presented the work of the Extensions
     group, which was by far the most active.  The technical sessions
     presented experience with implementation and use of the template
     facility.

     The most active and emotional debate of the week was on exception
     handling, discussing the proposal outlined by Andy Koenig and
     Bjarne Stroustrup in their paper ``Exception Handling for C++''
     presented at the Usenix C++ conference in April.  Martin
     O'Riordan, of Microsoft, and Mike Miller, of Glockenspiel,
     presented arguments in favor of extending the current proposal
     (which defines termination semantics for exceptions) to include
     resumption semantics.  Andy and Bjarne explained their reasons
     for not including resumption -- the most important was the
     complexity and cost of implementation.

     To their credit, the group worked hard to find a proposal that
     provided both kinds of exceptions with acceptably small
     time/space overhead.  However, at the end of the week, Bjarne
     declared the debate deadlocked, and refused to impose his
     proposal while substantial disagreement remained.  This is
     another topic where you should make your opinions heard.

C Compatibility
     Mike Miller presented the work of the C Compatibility group.  Tom
     Plum, of Plum-Hall, produced a list of every section of the C++
     reference manual that was not C.  Much of the group's near-term
     activity will be devoted to explaining the many items on the
     list.

The Seattle meeting produced tangible progress on the language
standard.  X3J16 voted to accept the proposed document outline and
format.  They also agreed to incorporate the template proposal (the
text from Chapter 14 of The Annotated Reference Manual, minus the
annotations -- it was literally a scissors-and-tape job).  We hope C++
vendors will regard templates as now officially in the language, and
provide users an opportunity to work with this feature.

Next events

A few substantial issues lie ahead.  The next meeting should see some
resolution on the exception proposal.  We should see some progress on
the review of language ambiguities and inconsistencies, and have some
idea of how difficult it will be to ANSIfy the document.  We should
also see some specific proposals on library contents.  The most

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substantial will be a simplified version of iostreams by Jerry Schwarz
(now at Stardent, formerly at AT&T).

Our target date for delivering a draft standard is the end of 1992.
X3J16 meets three times per year.  The next three meetings (and their
hosts) will be:

   + November 12-26, Cupertino CA (Hewlett Packard)

   + March 11-15, Nashua NH (Digital)

   + June 17-21, Lund Sweden (Lund Institute of Technology)

Membership on an X3 committee is open to any individual or
organization with expertise and material interest in the topic
addressed by the committee.  The cost for membership is $250.  Contact
the chair or vice chair for details.

Chair: Dmitry Lenkov
HP California Language Lab
19447 Pruneridge Avenue MS 47 LE
Cupertino, CA  95014
(408)447-5279
FAX (408)447-4924
email dmitry%hpda@hplabs.hp.com

Vice Chair: William M.  Miller
Glockenspiel, Ltd
P.O. Box 366
Sudbury, MA  01776-0003
(508)443-5779
email wmmiller@cup.portal.com

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Volume-Number: Volume 21, Number 174

pc@hillside.co.uk (Peter Collinson) (06/26/91)

Submitted-by: pc@hillside.co.uk (Peter Collinson)

USENIX Standards Watchdog Committee
Stephen R. Walli <stephe@usenix.org>, Report Editor
Report on X3J16: C++


Mike Vilot <mjv@objects.mv.com> reports on the March, 1991 meeting in
Nashua, New Hampshire:

Current Status

The ANSI X3J16 committee began its second year of technical meetings.
As expected, the work grew more detailed, with the Core Language and
Environment working groups being the focus of most of X3J16's work.

March meeting

Digital Equipment hosted the Nashua meeting.  The week's major
activities focused on understanding the myriad details of the proposed
clarifications and changes to the current working document.

X3J16's sub-groups focused on the key topics listed in the goals
statement developed at the March, 1990 meeting.  They worked by
electronic mail between meetings, and reported their progress.

International Concerns

Steve Carter, of Bellcore, presented the major international
concerns.

Due to the concerns expressed at the November meeting about conversion
to a Type I (international) X3 process, Steve came prepared with
material explaining the implications of the change.  To all
appearances, the change seems benign to the technical work of the
committee.  The change would have the positive effect of getting
international involvement.  It has the potential to delay the
development of the standard, due to the need to synchronize U.S.  and
ISO balloting.

The full X3J16 committee almost decided to vote to adopt the change,
but ran out of the quorum necessary to pass the motion on Friday
morning.

Editorial

Jonathan Shopiro, of AT&T, presented the Editorial group's
work.

The most significant change from the November version was the
incorporation of the exception handling proposal.  Jonathan also
described an editorial change that simplified the treatment of names
and name lookup, merging the concepts that had previously been treated
under the topics of dominance and name hiding.  Martin O'Riordan, of
Microsoft, questioned whether this was a purely editorial change, or a
change to the language semantics.  Martin and others reqeusted time to
look over the change before agreeing to it.

As I mentioned last time, the person who volunteered to edit the
Rationale document has not been heard from since last summer.  Susan
Waggoner, of USWest, has taken on that responsibility.

Formal Syntax

James Roskind, an independent consultant, presented the work
of the Formal Syntax group.

The bulk of the discussion concerned a proposal by Reg Charney of
Program Conversions, Inc. to rename the non- terminals in the
grammar.  Although there was much discussion about the virtues of
regularizing the naming versus the evils of gratuitous changes, the
committee decided, in the end, to adopt the proposal.

Eric Krohn, of Bellcore, presented the syntactic ambiguities involving
the newly-adopted throw-expression syntax for exceptions.  The
discussion clarified the issues, and a final resolution is likely next
meeting.

Tom Penello, of Metaware, gave an interesting presentation on the
inherent problems with ambiguous grammars.  He established the fact
that an ambigous grammar makes the question of a conforming
implementation undecidable.  He also illustrated that arbitrary rules
to resolve grammatical ambiguities has the side-effect of rejecting
valid programs.

He then went on to explain the syntactic ambiguities of the template
syntax, arising from the conflict over using the ``>'' symbol as both
a relational operator and a template argument list delimiter.
Although he proposed a grammar rewrite that solved the problem, he
decided not to recommend it on aesthetic grounds.

There seems to be an appreciation within X3J16 as a whole for the
technical issues involved in making the grammar correct.  There also
seems to be a sentiment in favor of letting the semantic rules settle
most of the complex issues.

Core Language

Andy Koenig, of AT&T, presented the Core Language group's
work.

Document X3J16/91-0005 describes the group's discussion about the
linkage of typedef names and anonymous classes.  The group decided it
was an Environmental issue, and handed it off to the Environment group.

The group discussed objects created under a condition, and resolved to
consider those objects governed by an implicit block scope, as if the
programmer had explicitly supplied a compound statement.  Discussion
is summarized in X3J16/91- 0021.

Document 91-0019 covers the discussion of lifetimes for temporary
objects created by the compiler.  This issue has not reached closure,
although the issues were clarified.

Environment

Peter Chapin, of Vermont Technical College, presented the
work of the Environment group.

Document X3J16/91-0011 describes the group's discussion about C/C++
compatibility issues.  This discussion is continuing.

The group discussed at length the one definition rule - enforcing the
rule that a program must have exactly one definition for a given
function, even in the presence of multiple inclusions of inline
functions and the potential need for the compiler to generate such
functions out of line.  Document X3J16/91-0024 summarizes the
discussion.

There is a proposal to include a section in the standard on required
warnings.  Laura Yaker, now at Mentor Graphics, presented some ideas
of the sorts of things that might be considered as required warnings.
The discussion indicated that this is a difficult issue to
standardize, since there is so much variation in environments and
implementations.  This ongoing discussion is summarized in
X3J16/91-0014.

Another ongoing discussion concerns static initialization order for
objects in different translation units.  Document X3J16/91-0012
summarizes this discussion.

There was some discussion on specifying translation limits in the
standard.  The discussion seemed to generate more heat than light, and
nothing was decided.

Lastly, the linkage of types discussion continues, and is summarized
in X3J16/91-0023.  Peter described several alternate rules to insure
type-safe linkage of types.  A central issue is whether the linkage
specification is part of the type.  There are interesting arguments
for and against this.

Libraries

I presented the Library group's work.

There has been some progress on formulating proposals for submission
to X3J16.  Aron Insinga of DEC presented his proposal to apply
templates to the definition of the standard string class.  His
progress has been slowed by the lack of an available implementation
supporting templates.

Steve Clamage of TauMetric presented proposed resolutions for almost
all of the compatibility issues regarding the C library.  Most of the
small type insecurities can be handled in a reasonably straightforward
manner.  There are more substantial issues regarding signals,
exceptions and the facilities provided by longjmp().

The iostreams proposal continues to receive comment.  Many of the
UNIX-specific issues have been removed.  Addressing these concerns
raised an interesting point - should the C++ standard adopt the
practice of the C standard, in describing only that certain 'types'
exist, or should it describe them as classes and specify their
required operations?  There was some concern that describing classes
would be inefficient, but other concerns that the vague wording
without a class description would introduce too much variability among
implementations.

Language Extensions

Bjarne Stroustrup, of AT&T, presented the work of the
Extensions group.

The group is working through a long list of proposals for changes to
the language.  A significant number of them came from the Core
language group, due to an evaluation of what Andy Koenig calls for
changing the wording of the standard would have the effect of changing
the meaning of the language.

The current list of language extension proposals includes overloading
of the ``.'' operator, a proposal for handling national character set
issues with digraphs and new keywords, and the adoption of the
``inherited'' keyword (as in Apple's implementation).

The largest issue lurking in the Extensions category is the addition
of support for run-time type information.  There will be much
discussion on this topic over the next months.

C Compatibility

Tom Plum, of Plum-Hall, presented the work of the C
Compatibility group.

The group continued its investigation of the vocabulary differences
between C and C++.  They decided to categorize their efforts into
groups, covering the language, environment, and library.  One likely
outcome of their work will be a proposal to adopt the same model of
sequence points used by X3J11.

Next events

The next three X3J16 1991 meetings (and their hosts) will
be:

   o June 17-21, Lund Sweden (Lund Institute of Technology)

   o November 11-15, Toronto Canada (IBM)

   o March 1992, Austin TX (TI)

Zortech announced plans to host one of the other two 1992 meetings in
London.

Membership on an X3 committee is open to any individual or
organization with expertise and material interest in the topic
addressed by the committee.  The cost for membership is $250.  Contact
the chair or vice chair for details.

Chair:
   Dmitry Lenkov
   HP California Language Lab
   19447 Pruneridge Avenue MS 47 LE
   Cupertino,
   CA 95014
   + 1 (408)447-5279
   FAX: +1 (408)447-4924
   email dmitryhpda@hplabs.hp.com

Vice Chair:
   William M. Miller
   Glockenspiel, Ltd
   P.O.Box 366
   Sudbury,
   MA 01776-0003
   +1 (508)443-5779
   email wmmiller@cup.portal.com
























































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