roger@mips.COM (Roger March) (03/17/88)
I'm probably confused (read - brain damaged) as usual, but I'm living
under the impression that Apollo some how offers (or will) X as a
supported (or unsupported) product. It's been quite a while since I've
looked at this news group so any kind souls out there that can
enlightment me on a few questions will have done their good deed for
the month:
1) Does Apollo currently offer X as a supported product? About a
year ago I got a badly mangled X10 from our local sales office
and it was definitely unsupported at that time.
2) If X is available, which version - 10R4, 11R1, 11Rx? Also what
revision of the AEGIS ... er, Domain IX is required for it.
3) If X isn't currently available, when will it be and again what
OS revision is needed?
4) Again if no X today, can I get a cleaned (or patched) version
of the MIT distribution from Apollo? In the past, some alien
and obscene behavior of Apollo's "cpp" has made building X a
nightmare from the MIT tape.
5) The Apollo server on the MIT tape appears to be mono-chrome
only. Is there a color server available somewhere? I assume
that the supported X will have a color server, or do I assume
wrong?
Thanks to all future respondents.
--
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USPS: MIPS Computer Systems, 930 Arques, Sunnyvale, CA 94086, (408) 991-0220rimbold@dino.ulowell.edu (Rob Rimbold) (03/18/88)
In article <1881@obiwan.mips.COM> roger@mips.COM (Roger March) writes: > > 1) Does Apollo currently offer X as a supported product? About a > year ago I got a badly mangled X10 from our local sales office > and it was definitely unsupported at that time. Nope. As far as I know (but hey - what do I know? :-) it's not a supported product. Not until OS 10, in which it will be an integral part of the windowing environment (along with the current interface). The cover letter on the Adus tape says ".. it is not yet supported by Apollo. As you probably know, Apollo will support X at a future date." > 2) If X is available, which version - 10R4, 11R1, 11Rx? Also what > revision of the AEGIS ... er, Domain IX is required for it. You can get X V11 R1 on an Adus tape. It's monochrome. In the cover note for the tape, dated November 1987, it states that you need: SR9.6 or SR9.7, Domain/IX, TCP/IP preferably v3.1, a mouse. > 3) If X isn't currently available, when will it be and again what > OS revision is needed? See above notes. > 4) Again if no X today, can I get a cleaned (or patched) version > of the MIT distribution from Apollo? In the past, some alien > and obscene behavior of Apollo's "cpp" has made building X a > nightmare from the MIT tape. The version that you get on the Adus tape is essentially the MIT supplied stuff, but cleaned up a little. Installing it is a breeze. They did, however, forget to mention three filesystem links that need to be created if you intend to write X clients. > 5) The Apollo server on the MIT tape appears to be mono-chrome > only. Is there a color server available somewhere? I assume > that the supported X will have a color server, or do I assume > wrong? You're correct on both counts. The color version is a beta sort of thing, as is the version in which DM and X windows coexist. > Thanks to all future respondents. No problem. What's the net for? :-) -- 'Rob Usenet: rimbold@dino.ulowell.edu AT&T : (617) 452-5000 x2693 University of Lowell Productivity Center, Lowell MA.
dawson@apollo.uucp (Keith Dawson) (03/19/88)
I'm the manager responsible for X development at Apollo. Let me try to end
the confusion that may have been engendered by the replies to a recent posting
by roger@mips.COM (Roger March).
1) Does Apollo currently offer X as a supported product? About a
year ago I got a badly mangled X10 from our local sales office
and it was definitely unsupported at that time.
X is not a supported product at this time. We will offer an X product that
shares the screen with the DM and that allows access to all of the Domain
Graphics Resources. (A client that uses native graphics cannot be run
remotely; but any client that makes only Xlib calls can be remoted in the
usual way.)
N.B. -- while the X product will be coming out about the same time as SR10, it
does NOT depend on or require SR10. It will run on SR9.7 at first ship.
2) If X is available, which version - 10R4, 11R1, 11Rx? Also what
revision of the AEGIS ... er, Domain IX is required for it.
X.V11R1 is currently available through ADUS; within a few weeks, X.V11R2 will
be available as well. These versions are not supported by Apollo. The full MIT
source/documentation tree is provided on the tapes, as well as binaries, so
there is no need to build them.
Both will run on SR9.6 with a patch (provided) or on SR9.7. Both require
TCP/IP 3.0 or 3.1. Also required is Domain/IX, which runs on all releases from
SR9.5 onward.
3) If X isn't currently available, when will it be and again what
OS revision is needed?
See previous.
4) Again if no X today, can I get a cleaned (or patched) version
of the MIT distribution from Apollo? In the past, some alien
and obscene behavior of Apollo's "cpp" has made building X a
nightmare from the MIT tape.
On both tapes is a full binary tree with server and ~25 clients, including a
"switcher" feature for rapid transition between the DM and X environments.
(The switcher was not on MIT's X.V11R1 tape, but it is on MIT's X.V11R2. It
is present on both ADUS tapes, however.)
The problem with cpp is still present, but you need not be tripped up by it
if compiling X.V11R2. It affects only the imake facility. Should you need to
compile anything, you'll find that the makefiles on the released tape are all
correct and don't need to be "imade."
5) The Apollo server on the MIT tape appears to be mono-chrome
only. Is there a color server available somewhere? I assume
that the supported X will have a color server, or do I assume
wrong?
Apollo's server for X.V11R1 was monochrome. The X.V11R2 server supports
pseudo-color, 4 and 8 planes. It performs faster in color than its predecessor
did in mono. The Apollo product X will incorporate color support, of course,
as well as the X/DM "share mode."
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