[comp.sys.apollo] cartridge tape on a server

dennis@PEANUTS.NOSC.MIL (Dennis Cottel) (09/09/88)

I am considering buying a DSP3500 server to use as an Ethernet
gateway, to run network servers (registry, location broker, printers,
etc.), and to use as a general computation server.

I am wondering about including a cassette tape drive on this system.
Since the one on my DN3000 stops all activity at times when in use, I
am concerned that the use of one on the server would interfere with
proper operation of the TCP gateway and other servers.

Does anyone have any experience to refute (or confirm) this?

	Dennis Cottel  Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA  92152
	(619) 553-1645      dennis@nosc.MIL      sdcsvax!noscvax!dennis

krowitz@RICHTER.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) (09/09/88)

Are you running SR9.7 or an earlier version? The operation of the cartridge
drive got better when we switched to SR9.7 -- it's not great, but the node
doesn't come to a complete stop (which it did with SR9.5 due to a software
bug that had the disk controller and the tape controller using the same
lock flags). Having at least 4MB on the node seems to help, too, since the
node doesn't have to be paging as often while the tape is running.


 -- David Krowitz

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(in order of decreasing preference)

P.S. These observations come from a DN3000 and DN4000 which have both 350 MB
     disks and cartridge tapes. I assume that the DN3500/4500 use the same
     controllers and I/O bus structure as the DN4000 (which I understand has
     a slightly different bus and the DN3000 -- despite that fact that they 
     are all IBM-AT compatible!).

rees@MAILGW.CC.UMICH.EDU (Jim Rees) (09/10/88)

    P.S. These observations come from a DN3000 and DN4000 which have both 350 MB
         disks and cartridge tapes. I assume that the DN3500/4500 use the same
         controllers and I/O bus structure as the DN4000 (which I understand has
         a slightly different bus and the DN3000 -- despite that fact that they
         are all IBM-AT compatible!).

I have heard (but not verified for myself) that the 3500/4500 do not have
the annoying grind-to-a-halt feature that the 3000/4000 have.
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pha@zippy.eecs.umich.edu (Paul Anderson) (09/12/88)

Two quick comments about cartridge tape drives on Apollos:

1) Pre sr10 can read, but not write cart tapes with a blocking
factor of something other than 1.  In particular, I have read
many Sun tar tapes with a blocking factor of 20.  (Note - some
Sun tapes are low density and can't be read on the high density
drive on the Apollo).

2) At SR10, my DN4000 lets me use my cartridge tape drive without
hogging my node.  I can still use it for normal operations,
such as edit, compile cycles or whatever.  The improvement is
absolutely fantastic, believe me.  I am assuming, but don't yet
know for a fact, that the DN3000 is similar.  I hope to know
in a day or two.

Paul Anderson
CAEN