weiner@novavax.UUCP (Bob Weiner) (04/14/89)
Dear comp.sys.hp readers, You must by now know that Apollo has agreed to be acquired by HP. Apollo's marketing just couldn't do the job; let's hope HP can really do something beneficial for the world with Apollo's technology, like give us a decent competitor to SUN! -- Bob Weiner, Motorola, Inc., USENET: ...!gatech!uflorida!novavax!weiner (407) 738-2087
danny@idacom.UUCP (Danny Wilson) (04/17/89)
In article <42a8e314.14df5@ulsoy.engin.umich.edu>, conliffe@caen.engin.umich.edu (Darryl C. Conliffe) writes: > > Amen if by "decent competitor to SUN!" you mean improving the > effort to convey the superiority of DOMAIN, DM, DSEE, DIALOG, DN10000, and > the like. Too bad mediocrity seems to be the aim of the industry. Right on! If the huge power of HP cannot show the world the true advantage and technical superiority of the above, then perhaps no one can. I wonder what Sun thinks of this whole thing?? I mean, there is a considerable difference in the size of the new HP/Apollo and small Sun... Since before, Sun and Apollo were ~~about~~ the same size of company, perhaps Sun is looking for a buyer or stronger aliance etc. A Sun and AT&T merger ? (?:-) -- Danny Wilson IDACOM Electronics danny@idacom.uucp Edmonton, Alberta alberta!idacom!danny C A N A D A
ami@suntops.UUCP (CSD) (04/18/89)
I beliebe that Apollo had a little over 3,000 employees. Sun has at LEAST three times that. We are also doing so well that we don't need someone to come to our rescue. Ami
markg@CAEN.ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Mark Giuffrida) (04/19/89)
From @um.cc.umich.edu:apollo-request@umix.cc.umich.edu Tue Apr 18 15:25:14 1989 Date: 18 Apr 89 14:48:15 GMT From: ami%suntops%pitstop%male%sun-arpa.uucp@ames.arc.nasa.gov Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. References: <1169@novavax.UUCP>, <42a8e314.14df5@ulsoy.engin.umich.edu>, <611@idacom.UUCP> Sender: apollo-request@umix.cc.umich.edu To: apollo@umix.cc.umich.edu Subject: Re: Welcome to the New Wave I beliebe that Apollo had a little over 3,000 employees. Sun has at LEAST three times that. We are also doing so well that we don't need someone to come to our rescue. Ami The only reason Sun is doing so well is due to their marketing. Anyone who is technically involved with both kinds of workstations knows which one is technically superior. It appears that HP knows that too. It takes some kind of arrogance to go onto your competitor's mailing group and say something like this. BTW, you should learn how to spell.
conliffe@caen.engin.umich.edu (Darryl C. Conliffe) (04/19/89)
In article <180@santa_fe.UUCP>, ami@suntops.UUCP (CSD) writes: > > I beliebe that Apollo had a little over 3,000 employees. > Sun has at LEAST three times that. We are also doing > so well that we don't need someone to come to our rescue. > > > Ami Ami, I'll file this away and see how you feel in 2 years. :=) Really, tho, being in good economic health these days does not protect you from take-overs. Junk bond financed raiders can get the best of 'em. I hope you are right, or at least that your merger is with a real company, not a junk bond illusion. -- ___________________ Darryl C. Conliffe conliffe@caen.engin.umich.edu (313) 721-6069 -------------------
freedman@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Dan Freedman) (04/19/89)
In article <180@santa_fe.UUCP> ami@sun.com (Ami Peterson -CSD) writes: > >I beliebe that Apollo had a little over 3,000 employees. >Sun has at LEAST three times that. We are also doing >so well that we don't need someone to come to our rescue. You might now! Dan Freedman University of Calgary Computer Science Department 2500 University Drive N.W. freedman@cpsc.UCalgary.CA Calgary, Alberta, T2N 1N4 ...!alberta!calgary!freedman
dclaar@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Doug Claar) (04/20/89)
>> wonder what Sun thinks of this whole thing?? I mean, there is a >> > I beliebe that Apollo had a little over 3,000 employees. > Sun has at LEAST three times that. We are also doing > so well that we don't need someone to come to our rescue. > Well, I guess that tells you! Sheeesh. I think that the poster from Sun, besides being rude, conveniently forgot that little deal they cut with the 'death star' folks (AT&T)
marti@ethz.UUCP (Robert Marti) (04/25/89)
In article <3239@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM>, taylor@limbo.intuitive.com (Dave Taylor) writes: > If we'd like to talk about Sun Microsystems, we can talk about how > they're attempting to emulate HP by broadening their customer > base to include the general computing marketplace [ ... ] What's so bad about that? > [ ... ] you might want to ask David Norman, the > president of BusinessLand, why they didn't even consider a distribution > agreement for the 386i, and why they dropped Sun [ ... ] With this statement you imply that failure for reaching an agreement between Sun and BusinessLand is all Sun's fault. If you actually KNOW something you might want to tell us all. If you don't then I'll have to consider this as a case of mud slinging. > [ ... ] and why the newly released > Sun Open Look Desk Kit looks sooo much like Mac and Presentation > Manager software (not to mention HP's New Wave)). Well, Microsoft and HP were sued by Apple because of alleged copyright infringement concerning the Look and Feel of Windows 2.03 (aka Presentation Manager) and New Wave. Sun's OPEN LOOK wasn't (so far :-). So what's your point? > We can also talk > about how Sun wouldn't exist if not for Apollo *creating* the Unix > workstation marketplace. Yes we could. What's the point? Besides, I can't remember Apollo creating the *UNIX* workstation marketplace, let alone the workstation marketplace. They may have been the first successful vendor of workstations. That doesn't make them the creator of the marketplace, though ... > For that matter, why did Sun go to the > same outside industrial design firm that both NeXT and Apple had used > for the design of the new Sun boxes? Why indeed? Or rather, why should they not have? > Or better yet, why don't we talk about people that have positive, > constructive things to add to conversations on the net, rather > than negative and hostile additions? People just like you? BTW, the from line tells me you work for HP Labs. How come your .sig tries so hard to conceal this fact? (E- Mail address!) -- Robert Marti Phone: +41 1 256 52 36 Institut fur Informationssysteme ETH-Zentrum CSNET/ARPA: marti%inf.ethz.ch@relay.cs.net CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland UUCP: ...uunet!mcvax!ethz!marti
cricket@hp-ses.SDE.HP.COM (Cricket Liu) (04/28/89)
/ hp-ses:comp.sys.apollo / marti@ethz.UUCP (Robert Marti) / 5:43 am Apr 25, 1989 / (Re Dave Taylor's response) BTW, the from line tells me you work for HP Labs. How come your .sig tries so hard to conceal this fact? (E- Mail address!) ---------- The "From" line tells you that Dave's posting was sent from hplabsz, a host at HP Labs -- it doesn't tell you that he works for HP Labs. And my posting will be sent from hp-ses, though I don't work for SES. But they're generous enough to give me an account. I don't think Dave was attempting to mislead anyone as to his affiliation. He did, in fact, work for HP, but I believe he's started his own company, Intuitive Systems. cricket As always, my opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of my management, or my management's management, and so on.
khb@SUN.COM (chiba) (04/29/89)
I had intended to keep completely out of this, but it's friday! :> In article <827@ethz.UUCP> marti@ethz.UUCP (Robert Marti) writes: >In article <3239@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM>, taylor@limbo.intuitive.com (Dave Taylor) >writes: > >> [ ... ] you might want to ask David Norman, the >> president of BusinessLand, why they didn't even consider a distribution >> agreement for the 386i, and why they dropped Sun [ ... ] >With this statement you imply that failure for reaching an agreement >between Sun and BusinessLand is all Sun's fault. If you actually KNOW >something you might want to tell us all. If you don't then I'll >have to consider this as a case of mud slinging. I don't recall there ever having been an _announced_ relationship. That which is unannounced is all speculation and rumor mongering (and is a lot of fun). > >> [ ... ] and why the newly released >> Sun Open Look Desk Kit looks sooo much like Mac and Presentation >> Manager software (not to mention HP's New Wave)). >Well, Microsoft and HP were sued by Apple because of alleged copyright >infringement concerning the Look and Feel of Windows 2.03 (aka >Presentation Manager) and New Wave. Sun's OPEN LOOK wasn't (so far :-). >So what's your point? Open Look was done as a joint project between Xerox, ATT and Sun. Since Xerox was demonstrably the first to create (if a corporation creates anything :>) and to distribute (albeit on a very limited basis) this sort of technology, a sucessful suit would appear to be unlikely. But, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play on on TV. :> >CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland UUCP: ...uunet!mcvax!ethz!marti Voices of calm and logic often eminate from the Swiss. Now, a quiet rational discussion of the actual merits of Aegis, Pascal, and machines with multiple functional units would seem to be in order. Cheers all. -- Keith H. Bierman |*My thoughts are my own. Only my work belongs to Sun* It's Not My Fault | Marketing Technical Specialist I Voted for Bill & | Languages and Performance Tools. Opus (* strange as it may seem, I do more engineering now *)
marti@ethz.UUCP (Robert Marti) (05/03/89)
In article <8904282228.AA05735@chiba.>, khb@SUN.COM (chiba) writes in response to an earlier posting of mine: | I don't recall there ever having been an _announced_ relationship | [ between Sun and BusinessLand ]. | That which is unannounced is all speculation and rumor mongering (and | is a lot of fun). Just to set the record straight: I don't recall there ever having been an announced relationship between Sun and BusinessLand either. I have absolutely no idea if Sun and BusinessLand ever talked about anything. I didn't mean to imply they ever did. I just tried to point out that IMHO Dave Taylor's remark "ask Dave Norman of BusinessLand why they don't/won't sell Suns" was unfair since it was (remains) unsubstantiated. | Open Look was done as a joint project between Xerox, ATT and Sun. Yes, I know. But isn't it OPEN LOOK? :-) | Cheers all. | Keith H. Bierman Same here. -- Robert Marti Phone: +41 1 256 52 36 Institut fur Informationssysteme ETH-Zentrum CSNET/ARPA: marti%inf.ethz.ch@relay.cs.net CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland UUCP: ...uunet!mcvax!ethz!marti