gam@amdahl.UUCP (Gordon A. Moffett) (11/30/84)
> = Ron Rizzo > Given the overwhelming success of net.abortion & net.origins > in siphoning off abortion & origins debates from other newsgroups, > I propose the creation of net.rights for all discussions of civil > rights & liberties, including legal & metalegal issues, such as: > > laws & legislation > what is a right? how many rights are there? when if ever > can they be denied, & to whom? is there a right > to a job, a right to discriminate, etc.? > applications of any of the above issues to any groups, > nations, historical periods, belief systems, etc. > > ... > A desirable side-effect of segregating the endless "rights" debates > in net.rights would be to clearly reveal the legal/metalegal content > or lack of it in postings, and discourage posters from padding their > articles with secondary issues (like rambling commentary on a host > of topics about homosexuality marginal to the discussion in exchanges > over "gay rights"). Discussions of "gay rights" will naturally envolve comparison with other rights, and I doubt there will be much interest (or usefulness) in a newsgroup devoted entirely to "Who has the right to do what, and why?" because the many divergent, incompatable views on the subject. If net.origins, net.abortion, ad nausem, have taught people little on those issues, can we expect any erudition from net.rights? How about net.reality, for people who don't see things *my* way? I think net.rights will just be used for the usual emotionalized political drivel that is so popular on the net. Why bother learning about philosophies of individual rights when you can flame about them? This is just another "write only" newsgroup. The description of this newsgroup is so broad and so unlikely to serve anyone's needs I don't think we should have it. If it does come to exist I'm sure it will end up on my "expire early" list, along with net.origins, net.flame, net.abortion .... -- Gordon A. Moffett ...!{ihnp4,hplabs,amd,sun}!amdahl!gam 37 22'50" N / 122 59'12" W [ This is just me talking. ]
mjc@cmu-cs-cad.ARPA (Monica Cellio) (12/01/84)
I think net.legal will cover most of what you want, namely: > laws & legislation > what is a right? how many rights are there? when if ever > can they be denied, & to whom? is there a right > to a job, a right to discriminate, etc.? > applications of any of the above issues to any groups, > nations, historical periods, belief systems, etc. > (from Ron Rizzo) -D -- UUCP: ...seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!lll-crg!dragon ARPA: monica.cellio@cmu-cs-cad or dragon@lll-crg
avolio@grendel.UUCP (Frederick M. Avolio) (12/01/84)
> > = Ron Rizzo > > > Given the overwhelming success of net.abortion & net.origins > > in siphoning off abortion & origins debates from other newsgroups, > > I propose the creation of net.rights for all discussions of civil > > rights & liberties, including legal & metalegal issues, such as: > > I vote, so to speak, no. I think those things are adequately covered by other groups. You'd get traffice here -- but only because everyone postintg to net.news, net.abortion, net.legal, etc would post the same articles to net.rights. -- Fred Avolio, DEC -- U{LTR,N}IX Support 301/731-4100 x4227 UUCP: {seismo,decvax}!grendel!avolio ARPA: grendel!avolio@seismo.ARPA