oj@apollo.HP.COM (Ellis Oliver Jones) (11/30/89)
In article <ABAIR.89Nov21010336@turbinia.oakhill.uucp> Alan Bair wrote: >In just glancing through the 2 parts I saw >answers to at least 3 problems I have run into. Would you consider posting your questions (and answers, if you have them)? I figure everybody's going through the same learning curve with Domain/X, so we may as well share information. >I was encouraged to hear that the X merge into SR10.2 is ready. Me too. It seemed like it was taking forever to get done. Vacation time.... >It looked like this release is based on X11R3, let me know if that is wrong. That's correct. Actually, the client code (including libraries) is almost completely vanilla XV11R3. The server is "based on" the MIT XV11R2 server but has had many XV11R3 bugfixes and features added. Xlib is set up as a shareable library, and /usr/lib/libX11.a (which actually lives at /usr/X11/lib/isp_m68k/libX11.a , and is found via an intricate little nest of links which allows our two isps--m68k and Prism--to coexist) is a stub. This makes application executables a bunch smaller. The real Xlib bits are at /lib/x11lib . >There was also mention on Motif, will that be provided too? OSF/Motif isn't bundled with XV11R3. It is due to ship soon as a layered product. It has been released from R&D and is in the process of software manufacturing. >If not, are there any problems building it on the SR10.1 or 10.2 X? OSF/Motif was easy to build (on SR10.2, I didn't try it on SR10.1). We used the 1989.1 compilers, and we incorporated some late bug fixes from our new colleagues at HP Corvallis into our binaries. >You may not want to answer this, but I have to ask. I don't mind answering questions about competitive products, as long as you don't mind remembering that I don't know much about them, and definitely can't make any commitments about them. >Are there any reasons to keep Sun's XView from porting to the Apollo There shouldn't be. If there are problems with our product which prevent any compliant X client code from running, we'd very much like to hear about them. >...maybe it has already been done. I don't know. Does anybody out there in netland? /Ollie Jones (speaking for myself not necessarily for HP Apollo Systems Division)
abair@turbinia.oakhill.uucp (Alan Bair) (12/01/89)
The questions/answers I was refering to were in the previous X posting. I don't recall exactly which ones they were, but if anyone has some problems I would recommend they read through those postings. Concerning building Motif and XView, I expect to try this shortly on our DN4000, SR10.1 & Shared-X. I will let you know about any problems and fixes I run into. Its looking like this group is becomming a better source for Apollo X questions then comp.windows.x. -- Alan Bair SPS CAD Logic Simulation & Test Motorola, Inc. Austin, Texas ...!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!turbinia!abair
chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) (12/02/89)
In article <47256e8e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> oj@apollo.hp.com (Ollie Jones) writes: >OSF/Motif isn't bundled with XV11R3. It is due to ship soon >as a layered product. It has been released from R&D and >is in the process of software manufacturing. Could someone (probably marketing) from HP/Apollo tell us more about OSF/Motif support on SR10.2? I'd like to find out which Motif part is in the standard release and which is not (e.g. mwm included with SR10.2 like uwm? ). Also what is Open Dialog's rule in terms of supporting Motif? Suppose I'm going to write a Motif compliant program on Apollo at SR10.2, what kind of products should I buy from Apollo? The X support on SR10.2 is very encouraging, keep on the good work.
dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Dawson) (12/05/89)
In article <ABAIR.89Nov30230005@turbinia.oakhill.uucp> abair@turbinia.oakhill.uucp (Alan Bair) writes: >Its looking like this group is becomming a better source for Apollo X questions >then comp.windows.x. So it should be. Though we all try, the X developers at Apollo have no easier time keeping up with comp.windows.x than you do! I venture to say we all read comp.sys.apollo though, as do lots of folks at Apollo (and outside) who have been developing applications on Domain/X11 for 1+ years. So there should be plenty of help in this newsgroup for X questions specific and generic, novice and xpert. -->Keith ____________________________________________________________ My opinions Keith Dawson Hewlett Packard Co. 508-256-0176 x5739 are my own. Graphics Technology Division / East 300 Apollo Dr. (CHR.03.DE) Chelmsford, MA 01824 USA My convictions Internet: dawson@apollo.hp.com are not for UUCP: {mit-eddie,yale,uw-beaver}!apollo!dawson public display.
oj@apollo.HP.COM (Ellis Oliver Jones) (12/08/89)
In article <472c86a7.81da@digital.sps.mot.com> chen@digital.sps.MOT.COM (Jinfu Chen) writes: >I'd like to find out which Motif part is in the standard release and >which is not (e.g. mwm included with SR10.2 like uwm? ). No OSF/Motif software is bundled with SR10.2, not the header files, not the man pages, not the .a files, not the libraries, and not the window manager. You can order an OSF/Motif binary kit containing all the things I mentioned, precompiled, for either kind of CPU (Motorola 68k or Prism). If it doesn't start shipping today, it starts shipping Monday. This kit is suitable for application developers (or end users). You can also buy a source kit directly from OSF and compile it yourself (but you'll miss out on a few bug fixes). It's not hard to compile; if I were betting my company on the efficient development of OSF/Xt/Motif applications I'd buy the source kit AND the vendor-furnished binaries. >Also what is Open Dialog's rule in terms of supporting Motif? Open Dialogue V2.0 (the Apollo version) was committed to replication last Tuesday, so it should hit the streets in January. It contains a set of "classes" (Open Dialogue jargon with roughly the same meaning as "widget") which let you use it to make a human interface with the Appearance and Behavior (we're not supposed to say L**k and F**l) given in the OSF/Motif Style Guide. Open Dialogue V2.0 for Sun 3 and Sun 4 (SunOS 4), as well as the C++ source kit, get committed to replication today (shortly after I quit fooling around with netnews :-), and also should hit the streets in January. It'll be out for HP9000-3xx HPUX machines shortly as well, and various third parties have ported it to other machines and OSs. >Suppose I'm going to write a Motif compliant program on >Apollo at SR10.2, what kind of products should I buy from Apollo? Either OSF/Motif or Open Dialogue should meet your needs. Both let you develop portable applications, as well as applications specifically for Domain/OS. /Ollie Jones (speaking for myself, not necessarily for HP Apollo Systems Division)