lufkin@hpccc.HP.COM (Paul Lufkin) (09/16/90)
TO: Apollo INTERNET Customers FROM: Hewlett-Packard Company SUBJECT: Response to Open Letter "Hewlett-Packard, Apollo Customers, and the Internet" DATE: September 15, 1990 ___________________________________________________________________ HP thanks you for the open letter, titled "Hewlett-Packard, Apollo Customers, and the Internet". HP has continually received the highest satisfaction ratings from our customers. We have done this by listening to your inputs and responding to your needs. The letter identified several very important issues surrounding support of HP/Apollo customers. Although HP has been aware of most of these issues and actively working on solutions, the letter has drawn further attention towards our communication of solutions to the issues. The open letter contained the following three major requests: 1. Improved response to APR's ("Resource allocation within HP") 2. Electronic mail services ("Use of Internet") 3. Services via the Internet ("A public archive") This message will respond to these issues. We believe that issues 2 and 3 are closely linked and will address those jointly. 1. Improved response to APR's: When HP receives an Apollo Product Report (APR), our highest priority is to get it fixed. Normally, fixes committed to in these responses are put either in the next patch train or the next release, depending on the seriousness of the defect. By the end of September, HP will start to distribute to all of its support customers Domain SR10.3. This Domain release was specifically created to address many of the APR's submitted by HP/Apollo customers, not to add major new functionality. The beta test period for SR10.3 lasted 19 weeks, much longer than in past releases, and produced very favorable comments. In fact, one ECAD vendor said SR10.3 was the "the highest quality release from Apollo, ever." In addition, HP is significantly increasing lab investments at the Apollo Systems Division to further reduce the turnaround time on defect-related APR's. HP currently accepts APR's via email, over the phone, or through regular mail. HP will investigate creating an address on Internet, specifically for submitting APR's, which would be available to any HP user. We currently return an acknowledgement letter after an initial technical review of each APR. This technical review includes verifying and duplicating defects and collecting further information to make sure the APR is well understood. Our goal is to complete the technical review and return an acknowledgement letter within 30 days of APR receipt. We currently meet that goal for more than 80% of the APR's and are investigating methods to reduce this time. HP sends a second letter to each customer submitting an APR as soon as a response to the APR has been formulated. For defect-related APR's, the response always includes the action that will be taken to resolve the APR and the timing of that action. Through telephone feedback and recent onsite interviews, we have become aware that our acknowledgement letters often do not reach the original submitter of the APR. One option we are exploring to correct this problem is phoning back an acknowledgement. HP believes that responding to APR's is a critical part of support, and we will continue to improve this process. 2. Electronic Mail Services and Services via the Internet: Hewlett-Packard appreciates that electronic services are very important to workstation customers. HP is committed to creating and delivering services that meet your needs and help your productivity. Currently, HP's strategic investment in electronic services is HP SupportLine. HP SupportLine is an electronic support tool that is included at no additional charge with every right-to-update license. Every HP/Apollo customer who has purchased the right to upgrade their software already has access to this service. HP SupportLine includes practically the same databases that the Response Center Engineers use to solve customer problems. HP SupportLine's keyword search feature enables users to quickly find valuable support answers. HP SupportLine already includes much of the information that is requested in the Open Letter. HP will continue to enhance this service to meet Apollo user needs. We introduced HP SupportLine to customers at ADUS in September 1989 and shipped HP SupportLine to HP/Apollo support customers worldwide in February 1990. There are now nearly 1,000 answers to Apollo support questions in HP SupportLine. Many of the organizations that signed the Open Letter already have purchased the rights for software upgrades, and therefore HP SupportLine is available to them. HP wants to make HP SupportLine available to those customers, via the Internet. Clearly, the Internet is very important, because it is a de facto communications network standard among a large number of our workstation customers. Hence, Hewlett-Packard agrees with the open letter that making these support services available through Internet is desirable. We believe that this would be a significant benefit to those customers. However, Internet does have specific guidelines for its use, and the final decision regarding HP SupportLine's use via Internet rests with the Internet governing bodies. HP will violate neither the terms nor the intent of the Internet governing bodies. However, HP will actively seek an interpretation of the Internet guidelines to determine whether HP SupportLine meets the "commerciality" requirements. Hewlett-Packard believes that Internet guidelines could be interpreted so that HP SupportLine meets the "commerciality" requirements. Specifically, Hewlett-Packard's reasons are the following: 1. HP SupportLine is already available to many Internet users; 2. HP SupportLine is not sold separately; 3. HP SupportLine's purpose is to provide information to enable customers to support their systems and hence further research and development activities. HP SupportLine is not oriented toward selling products or services. HP will publish a status update concerning a ruling by the Internet boards no later than November 1. Other issues that were highlighted in the open letter are addressed below. * Patch Issues: HP has been aware of the need to dramatically improve the flow of information regarding known software problems and relevant patches when applicable to our workstation support customers. Well before the Open Letter appeared on the Internet, resources had been committed to addressing these issues, in a consistent manner, for all HP9000 and Apollo support customers worldwide. Several active projects are underway in the following areas, for example: Patch Information: Starting February 1991, Apollo defect status and responses (i.e., Software Status Bulletins) will be published on a regular, monthly basis. This information will be electronically available via HP SupportLine, and hardcopy versions may also be mailed to support customers. HP SupportLine supports full-text keyword searching, which should significantly assist users in research and resolving software problems. Patch Code Availability: HP distributes Apollo patches on an as-requested basis via regular mail on cartridge tapes. These patches are sent from local Response Centers within each country throughout the world. Some Apollo patches, such as those required for security issues, are distributed to all customers just like a software upgrade. All of these services are currently available to Apollo software support customers. Hewlett-Packard is now aggressively developing other methods which would facilitate the electronic transmission of software patches, worldwide. * Security: HP is aware that there are Domain functions which have been viewed as features to some, and potential security issues to others. The Apollo Systems Division is developing a technique to make these functions customer-selectable. * Alert System: HP currently notifies customers of critical support issues in a several ways. HP support customers are alerted to critical support problems from their field representatives, customer letters, and in emergency patch shipments to every affected support customer. We will investigate how we might also use Internet, to complement the other existing communications channels, to facilitate this customer communication. * International Support: The Open Letter identifies delays in HP's international distribution of Apollo software upgrades. We continue to look for causes of distribution delays and eliminate them as quickly as possible. HP is committed to providing the best support in the industry and continually gets a high ranking for customer satisfaction. We have done this by listening to our customers inputs and responding to your needs, both in terms of product quality and in support processes. The upcoming ADUS conference in San Diego will provide further opportunities to better understand customer needs, and HP will be well represented there. We value your input and thank you for the time and effort that went into the Open Letter. Regards, Dave Perozek General Manager, Apollo Systems Division Marc Hoff General Manager, Application Support Division
asherman@dino.ulowell.edu (Aaron Sherman) (09/17/90)
lufkin@hpccc.HP.COM (Paul Lufkin) writes:
TO: Apollo INTERNET Customers
FROM: Hewlett-Packard Company
SUBJECT: Response to Open Letter "Hewlett-Packard, Apollo
Customers, and the Internet"
DATE: September 15, 1990
I was impressed that HP not only posted this to the net, but also E-mailed
it to each of the signatories (of which I was one). Only a few complaints:
1. Improved response to APR's: When HP receives an Apollo
This section does NOT address the fact that Apollo documentation says
that mkapr is GOING AWAY!
HP currently accepts APR's via email, over the phone, or
through regular mail. HP will investigate creating an
address on Internet, specifically for submitting APR's,
which would be available to any HP user. We currently
This COULD be a hint that mkapr is being kept, but I'm not sure.
2. Electronic Mail Services and Services via the Internet:
Hewlett-Packard appreciates that electronic services are
very important to workstation customers. HP is committed to
creating and delivering services that meet your needs and
help your productivity.
Currently, HP's strategic investment in electronic services
is HP SupportLine. HP SupportLine is an electronic support
This, I'm fuzzy on. What is HP Supportline? Is it a group of operators that
I call, or is it a peice of software? If it's a peice of software do I
get a database with it, or does it just know the address and port to
connect to a server at HP (this would be neet)? If it's a static database,
then it doesn't sound terribly usefull, but if it's dynamic with a refresh
of any less than a month, and it has current info, then it sounds VERY
usefull and I applaud HP's creativity on this one.
We introduced HP SupportLine to customers at ADUS in
September 1989 and shipped HP SupportLine to HP/Apollo
support customers worldwide in February 1990. There are now
We have not got it here, and we've been paying an arm and a leg for service.
However, HP will actively seek an interpretation of the
Internet guidelines to determine whether HP SupportLine
meets the "commerciality" requirements. Hewlett-Packard
This is a VERY good point, and I would not want to try to push HP into
violating the internet guidelines/rules.
* Security: HP is aware that there are Domain functions which
have been viewed as features to some, and potential security
issues to others. The Apollo Systems Division is developing
a technique to make these functions customer-selectable.
Everything is customer selectable. That's why I keep magnets. :)
Regards,
Dave Perozek
General Manager, Apollo Systems Division
Marc Hoff
General Manager, Application Support Division
All in all, it's more that I expected, but less than I'd hoped for. I would
have liked to have seen less PRBS (40% of this letter in my opinion), and
more usefull information about what HP intends on doing.
But, hey, who am I to ask for miricals! I'll just see if they follow through
on this much.
-AJS
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asherman@dino.ulowell.edu or asherman%cpe@swan.ulowell.edu
Note that as of 7/18/90 that's asherman@dino.cpe.ulowell.edu
"That that is is that that is not is not is that it it is."
m.andrews@trl.oz.au (Murray Andrews) (09/24/90)
In article <7680002@hpccc.HP.COM>, lufkin@hpccc.HP.COM (Paul Lufkin) writes: > HP thanks you for the open letter, titled "Hewlett-Packard, > Apollo Customers, and the Internet". HP has continually received > the highest satisfaction ratings from our customers. Not from us. > 1. Improved response to APR's: When HP receives an Apollo > Product Report (APR), our highest priority is to get it > fixed. Normally, fixes committed to in these responses are > put either in the next patch train or the next release, > depending on the seriousness of the defect. By the end of > September, HP will start to distribute to all of its support > customers Domain SR10.3. When are we likely to see this in Australia? In general it takes *many* months for releases to appear in Australia. Why is this? We have only (within the last month or so) received 10.2.p. We still have not received an official copy (with manuals) of NFS for SR10.2. > Currently, HP's strategic investment in electronic services > is HP SupportLine. HP SupportLine is an electronic support > tool that is included at no additional charge with every > right-to-update license. Every HP/Apollo customer who has > purchased the right to upgrade their software already has > access to this service. I have not heard of this before and our group (as far as I know) have still not been officially notified of this service. I have scanned our latest Customer Support Services Agreement (dated mid July 90) and cannot see any mention of it (but would be glad to find out I have missed it). This agreement includes software updates. I assume it is something different from HP ApolloLine. > > * Patch Issues: HP has been aware of the need to dramatically > improve the flow of information regarding known software > problems and relevant patches when applicable to our > workstation support customers. Well before the Open Letter > appeared on the Internet, resources had been committed to > addressing these issues, in a consistent manner, for all > HP9000 and Apollo support customers worldwide. There was/is little evidence of this from our point of view. We have still received no official notification of the suid_exec and [rw]bak debacles. > Patch Information: Starting February 1991, Apollo defect > status and responses (i.e., Software Status Bulletins) will > be published on a regular, monthly basis. This information > will be electronically available via HP SupportLine, and > hardcopy versions may also be mailed to support customers. *May* be mailed to customers? What about posting it to this group or using an electronic mailing list? > Apollo patches, > such as those required for security issues, are distributed > to all customers just like a software upgrade. All of these > services are currently available to Apollo software support > customers. This is not happening for us. We have *never* received any patch that we haven't explicitly asked for. The security problems recently discovered were only made known to us via the network. Although I must admit that this is, unfortunately, very like the software upgrade process. > * Security: HP is aware that there are Domain functions which > have been viewed as features to some, and potential security > issues to others. The Apollo Systems Division is developing > a technique to make these functions customer-selectable. Hands up everybody who thought the suid_exec thing a feature. > > * Alert System: HP currently notifies customers of critical > support issues in a several ways. HP support customers are > alerted to critical support problems from their field > representatives, customer letters, and in emergency patch > shipments to every affected support customer. We will > investigate how we might also use Internet, to complement > the other existing communications channels, to facilitate > this customer communication We would be satisfied if the alert system actually does what it is already supposed to do. Murray Andrews. *My opinions are my own and not necessarily those of Telecom Australia*