[comp.sys.apollo] 400t nodes

thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson) (09/23/90)

One tiny 'gotcha' with the new series 400t nodes running in a token
rung environment.  It's not anything major, but it might confuse
someone else like it confused me for a while.

We run TCP/IP services, and, since we have very few nodes (3) with
more than one controller, we used the 'net0' device on ifconfig.
Then we got the 400t nodes in, and they didn't want to start TCP/IP
service up automagically.

GOTCHA!  These nodes have 2 controllers!  'net0' is now an ambiguous
device reference, and ifconfig does nothing.  Changing to 'dr0'
made it work.

Question for HP/Apollo people who are reading this:  
Could you make 'net0' be the primary boot device?  Failing that, a
mention of this 'feature' would be nice if included in the upgrade
literature.


John Thompson (jt)
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

As ever, my opinions do not necessarily agree with Honeywell's or reality's.
(Honeywell's do not necessarily agree with mine or reality's, either)

ranous@hplabsb.HP.COM (Alex Ranous) (09/25/90)

In article <9009222118.AA24683@pan.ssec.honeywell.com> thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson) writes:

>GOTCHA!  These nodes have 2 controllers!  'net0' is now an ambiguous
>device reference, and ifconfig does nothing.  Changing to 'dr0'
>made it work.
>
>Question for HP/Apollo people who are reading this:  
>Could you make 'net0' be the primary boot device?  Failing that, a
>mention of this 'feature' would be nice if included in the upgrade
>literature.
>
>
>John Thompson (jt)
>Honeywell, SSEC
>Plymouth, MN  55441
>thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com
 
I'm not sure what literature was shipped w/ your node, but in the first item,
4.1.1, in the Bugs, Limitations, and APR's section of the 10.3 release notes,
this limitation is mentioned.  This limitaion is true on any Apollo w/ more
than one interface, not just the new 400 series machines.  The limitation
is also noted in the comments right before the ifconfig command in the
rc.local file, for 10.2 and 10.3.

Alex Ranous
Information Architecture Group
Hewlett-Packard

chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) (09/27/90)

Disclaimer: There are lies, lies, and benchmarks.

Having said that, here are some benchmark results ran on  Apollo DN series
and the new 400t. Our 400t upgrade hasn't shown up yet (P.O. still on its
way :-) and I only have 30 minutes access to one that in another Motorola
facility. Codes that run on 400t are exactly the same as the ones use in
other 68020/30 nodes.


System         O.S.             Compiler   Dhrystone  Dhrystone     Whetstone
                                             1.1      2.1 (reg/noreg)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
DN300       Aegis SR 9.7        cc 4.89       962     813.0/813.0     377059  
DN320(PEB)  Aegis SR 9.7        cc 4.89       950     773.2/771.2     173410  
DN660       Aegis SR 9.6        cc 4.80      1787                     379747  
DN330       Aegis SR 9.7        cc 4.89      2106    1705.5/1704.5    540540  
DN560       Aegis SR 9.6        cc 4.80      2887                     674157  
DSP90       Domain/OS 10.1.0.11 cc 6.7(316)  3282    2582.2/2579.1    759494 
DN3000      Domain/OS 10.2      cc 6.7(316)  4380    3440.0/3438.8    789474  
DN570-T     Aegis SR 9.7        cc 4.89      4749    4267.4/3856.0    895522  
DN570-T(FPX)Aegis SR 9.7        cc 4.89      4622    3934.9/3969.3   1463414  
DN2500      Domain/OS 10.2      cc 6.7(316)  7271    5543.2/5499.5   1764705  
DN4000      Domain/OS 10.2      cc 6.7(316) 10056    7579.6/7612.3   1764706  
DN4000(FPA1)Domain/OS 10.2      cc 6.7(316)  9971    7722.0/7575.8   2500000  
DN3500      Domain/OS 10.1.1.2  cc 6.7(316)  9312    7208.1/7180.5   2307692  
DN4500      Domain/OS 10.1.1.2  cc 6.7(316) 16291   12881.1/12776.8  3000000  
400t        Domain/OS 10.03.a   cc 6.7(316) 22388   12024.0/12140.8  4285714  
DN10000     Domain/OS 10.1      cc 6.7(325) 43859   35714.3/35756.9 20000000  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                                                                  
System configurations (as best I could find):

    System      CPU              FPU         RAM
    --------------------------------------------
    DSP90       68020 - ?        68881     3.0Mb
    DN300       68010 - ?        ?         1.5Mb
    DN320       68010 - 12 Mhz   ?         1.5Mb
    DN320(PEB)  68010 - 12 Mhz   ?         1.5Mb
    DN330       68020 - 12 Mhz   68881     2.0Mb
    DN560       2901  - 20 Mhz   ?         3.0Mb
    DN570T      68020 - ?? Mhz   68881     8.0Mb
    DN570T(FPX) 68020 - ?? Mhz   FPX       8.0Mb
    DN660       2901  - 20 Mhz   ?         4.0Mb
    DN2500      68030 - 20 Mhz   68882    16.0Mb
    DN3000      68020 - 15 Mhz   68881     8.0Mb
    DN3500      68030 - 25 Mhz   68882    16.0Mb
    DN4000      68020 - 25 Mhz   68881     8.0Mb
    DN4000(FPA) 68020 - 25 Mhz   Weitek    8.0Mb
    DN4500      68030 - 33 Mhz   68882    16.0Mb
    400t        68030 - 50 Mhz   68882    16.0Mb
    DN100000    Prism - 16 Mhz   Buitlin 128.0Mb
    --------------------------------------------

Note:

Different compiler optimization switch and inline functions are used.
I no longer have access to some of those older hardware, such as hi-tech
heater DN660. Therefore, it's hard to compare performance under similar
conditions (OS, compiler version) with newer hardware.

-- 
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Motorola, Inc.  SPS  Mesa, AZ
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jtevik@gisplot1.nrri.umn.edu (John Tevik) (09/27/90)

In article <4d0bef1c.12c9a@digital.sps.mot.com> chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) writes:
>System configurations (as best I could find):
>
>    System      CPU              FPU         RAM
>    --------------------------------------------
       .
       .
       .
>    DN560       2901  - 20 Mhz   ?         3.0Mb
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		 Mine's got a 68020 at 12 Mhz with an '881

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John Tevik		jtevik@gisplot1.nrri.umn.edu (128.101.45.101)
Programmer
University of Minnesota - Duluth
Natural Resources Research Institute

krowitz@RICHTER.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) (09/27/90)

To the best of my knowledge, all DN560's were built with 16 Mhz
68020/68881 CPU's, as were non-Turbo DN570/580/590's. Turbo
models of the 570/580/590 had 20 Mhz 68020/68881 CPU's and
could include an optional FPX floating point accelerator built
around one of the Weitek FPU chip sets. Our DN560 is most
definitely a 16 Mhz 68020/68881.


 -- David Krowitz

krowitz@richter.mit.edu   (18.83.0.109)
krowitz%richter.mit.edu@eddie.mit.edu
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