m19451@MWUNIX.MITRE.ORG (10/12/90)
The following includes news from the 1990 ADUS conference, and a reply to the following message. >I received, second hand, from the ADUS meeting that the >Desktop Visualization System (DVS) will not be supported by >HP/Apollo's release of X11R4. Does anyone have any more >information on this? If this is true it appears that DVS >is headed for the scrap heap given HP/Apollo's migration to >OSF and X11. If I am missinformed (wouldn't be the first >time) my appoligies for starting such a vicious rumor. > > Mike Putnam > Naval Ocean Systems Center > San Diego, CA I attended the ADUS conference, and unfortunately it is true that HP/Apollo will not be supporting X11-R4 on the DVS systems. And for those of us with DN10000s they will not be supporting X11-R4 on the DN10000 with or without the DVS system. HP/Apollo will also not be supporting Motif 1.1 on either the DVS or DN10000. HP made it very clear at the ADUS conference that they are moving rapidly towards OSF. Currently HP plans to make one more major release of Domain/OS (SR11) sometime in late 1991. After SR11 there will be no more Domain/OS releases, only OSF. HOWEVER, HP WILL NOT BE OFFERING OSF ON ANY DN SERIES WORKSTATIONS!!! No, you can not run OSF on a DN3500, DN4500, DN5500 (DN3500/DN4500 with '040 upgrade), DN10000 or any previous Apollo workstation. You must purchase one of the new Series 400 workstations to run OSF! Summary of ADUS conference news: - OSF will not be offered or supported on any Apollo "DN" Series workstations. (See above.) - X11-R4 will not be availabe until late spring of 1991, it will be offered as a PSK on top of SR10.3. X11-R4 will be NATIVE MODE ONLY, you can not share the display with the DM (Apollo Display Manager). X11-R4 will not be availabe on either the DN10000 or the Desktop Visualization System (DVS). *NOTE that you must request all PSKs (Product Support Kit) from HP, they are not sent out automatically. Your sales rep should know about the PSKs available, but I wouldn't count on it. - Motif 1.1 and HPVUE 2.0 will not be offered until SR11, but not on the DN10000 or the DVS. - PSK-7 is required for the Series 400 workstations; however, you are limited to 64 processes. PSK-8 will allow you to run 1024 processes. You may experience trouble booting a color Series 400 node without PSK-7 support. - SR10.3 shipments were delayed due to two major bugs that were discovered at the last minute, and because of a week long HP warehouse inventory. SR10.3 should begin shipping in the middle of October. - Many new features for SR11 were advertised by HP at the ADUS conference; however, I am not going to try and list them all here, since I refuse to believe that there will be an SR11 until I see it. - For the second year in a row HP is still talking about a "second-generation" DN10000 (double clock speed). However, it is not expected to ship until late Spring of 1991. The cost for a single CPU upgrade is $10,000. A fully-merged (DN10000 & HP-PA) RISC workstation is planned for 1992-1993. However, this merged workstation will only run the OSF and HP/UX operating systems, it will NOT run Domain/OS. The above is my personal unbiased reporting of information presented by HP at the ADUS conference. Due to the protest by ADUS members over several of theses items, HP may have come to their senses by now, and might have changed their story on these items. There were quite a few shocked HP managers when they discovered how many ADUS members (close to 90%), were still running SR9.7 on at least part of their network. I wonder if this will have any impact on HP's decision to obsolete SR9.7 in the Spring of 1991? --------------------- Mark Krause The MITRE Corporation 7525 Colshire Drive McLean, VA 22102 (703) 883-7642
wjw@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) (10/12/90)
In article <9010111910.AA23075@mwunix.mitre.org> m19451@MWUNIX.MITRE.ORG writes: > >The following includes news from the 1990 ADUS conference, >and a reply to the following message. > >There were quite a few shocked HP managers when they >discovered how many ADUS members (close to 90%), were >still running SR9.7 on at least part of their network. >I wonder if this will have any impact on HP's decision >to obsolete SR9.7 in the Spring of 1991? > What do you mean Spring 1991. I was told by some support people here in Holland that SR9.7's death was planned for comming november/december. Still even Spring 1991 is to early for us to get ride of SR9.7. So I hope you've all scared the pants of them. Willem Jan Withagen Eindhoven University of Technology DomainName: wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl Digital Systems Group, Room EH 10.10 BITNET: ELEBWJ@HEITUE5.BITNET P.O. 513 Tel: +31-40-473401 5600 MB Eindhoven The Netherlands
krowitz@RICHTER.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) (10/13/90)
According to the offical letter we received from HP, sales of SR9.7 media and documentation will be discontinued February 1st, 1991. Software support will end May 1st, 1991. If you do not have a full copy of the SR9.7 distribution tapes and the patch tape, GET THEM NOW! -- David Krowitz krowitz@richter.mit.edu (18.83.0.109) krowitz%richter.mit.edu@eddie.mit.edu krowitz%richter.mit.edu@mitvma.bitnet (in order of decreasing preference)
schmid@jellosub.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de (Georg Schmid) (10/17/90)
In article <9010111910.AA23075@mwunix.mitre.org>, m19451@MWUNIX.MITRE.ORG writes: |> - X11-R4 will not be availabe until late spring of |> 1991, it will be offered as a PSK on top of SR10.3. |> X11-R4 will be NATIVE MODE ONLY, you can not share |> the display with the DM (Apollo Display Manager). |> X11-R4 will not be availabe on either the DN10000 |> or the Desktop Visualization System (DVS). That's ridiculous. Everybody who wants to have X11R4 on the DN10000 or DN10000VS has the possibility to get the sources of a borrow mode server from the MIT Tape (We have it running !!). People at Apollo contributed to the server, so why won't HP support it officially for the DN10000 ? Ok, there probably has to be done lots of work (bug-fixes, optimization) but I think the real reason is, that HP is pushing its own workstations. Same for OSF: From the time when HP took over Apollo our sales-reps kept telling us that HP was going to support the DN10000 and that they would port OSF to it. I can understand that HP isn't willing to support every DN* ever sold, but this is TOO MUCH !! Sorry if my words were too polite, but in school I wasn't told the words I would have needed for this posting. I'm fed up. -- Georg ________________________________________________________________________ _ Georg Schmid, ISD University of Stuttgart, Germany email: schmid@asterix.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de (129.69.110.2) voice: +49 711-685-2053 fax: +49 711-685-3706 ________________________________________________________________________ _
burdick@hpspdra.HP.COM (Matt Burdick) (10/26/90)
> OSF will not be ported to any DN platform. Interestingly, here is an excerpt from the latest OSF Electronic Bulletin: > Final OSF/1 Snapshot Released > > The fifth OSF/1 snapshot was released on September 20. The > snapshot contains machine independent code plus reference > code for the Encore Multimax(TM), the Digital Equipment > Corporation DECstation(R) and the Intel 302(R). An > additional port contributed by Hewlett-Packard for the DN2500 > system is included on the snapshot.