[comp.sys.apollo] Help on tcp & crp...

hodson@hwee.UUCP (Ian Hodson) (02/23/91)

Im having a few problems setting up the departments apollo network
We just got 6 DN4500's. The main problem is the gateway onto the department
ethernet. One node is set up as a gateway, but when I run tcp/ip on the
apollo ethernet, the system seems to communicate in only one direction
ie I can rwho, and all the department node respond, but rlogin hangs
with no response. When I only run tcp on the gateway I can rlogin to
the remote net fine, however the rest of the apollo's dont see the remote
network... Any ideas?

Another minor thing is the crp program seems to hang after a few
commands! It then needs to be killed to clear the connection.

Help would be welcome, as these machines are new to me, and I seem to
be going round in circles :-)

Yours Ian.

config is 6 x Dn4500 (16Meg 330Meg disks) ethernet Domain/OS 10.2
rest of the department is a mix of suns,hp's,dec's and other misc unix
boxes.
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thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com (John Thompson) (02/25/91)

Ian (et.al.) --

> <<forwarded message>> (text re-ordered for clarity)
> Im having a few problems setting up the departments apollo network
> We just got 6 DN4500's.  Config is 6 x Dn4500 (16Meg 330Meg disks) 
> ethernet Domain/OS 10.2.  The rest of the department is a mix of 
> suns,hp's,dec's and other misc unix boxes.
> The main problem is the gateway onto the department
> ethernet. One node is set up as a gateway, but when I run tcp/ip on the
> apollo ethernet, the system seems to communicate in only one direction
> ie I can rwho, and all the department node respond, but rlogin hangs
> with no response. When I only run tcp on the gateway I can rlogin to
> the remote net fine, however the rest of the apollo's dont see the remote
> network... Any ideas?
When I first read this, I said 'subnets -- no question.'  When I got to
the end and noticed the configuration, it changed to 'question.'
You say that the Apollo's are gateway-ed onto the main department ethernet.
Does this mean that they're on a separate piece of cable?  

If not, then there's no reason to have the gateway, and I suspect that your
problem is being caused by having the nodes think they need to go through
somebody who doesn't think they need to go through him.

More likely, you have a second piece of wire, and your gateway node has
2 controllers, and is on 2 ethernets.  If this is true, the likely problem
is subnets.  (In case you aren't familiar w/ it, subnets are simply a means
of breaking up your one local tcp/ip network address into several sub-networks.
The outside world treats them all as one network, but inside, you treat it as
several.  For instance, honeywell.com has a class B network address of 
129.30.x.y.  From the outside world, the "x.y" combinations give a potential
of ~ 65000 systems on the same network.  Since Honeywell is not all in one
building (and because nobody wants 65000 nodes on one network!), it has been
sub-netted.  The 3rd byte (the 'x' one) is used to designate which sub network
the host 'y' is on.  Routing proceeds from the node to the gateway(s) to the
recipient, and then back again.  The most important thing to note in this is
that _all_ hosts (Apollo and otherwise) on the 129.30 net must agree to use 
the same subnetting scheme.  Otherwise, some recipients will think that the
message came from their own network, and will not look for a gateway to send
through.  I suspect that either you don't have subnetting set up (in which case
no packets are going across the gateway) or subnetting is set up only on the
Apollo side (in which case packets go across, but the reply never gets routed
back to your node).

> Another minor thing is the crp program seems to hang after a few
> commands! It then needs to be killed to clear the connection.
No explanation for that one.  I have had (almost) no problems w/ crp.  The
first thing to check out would be the patch tapes.  Keep in mind that 'crp'
uses the mailbox routines (mbx_helper) and the server_process_manager (spm)
to get things set up.
 
-- jt --
John Thompson
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

Me?  Represent Honeywell?  You've GOT to be kidding!!!

nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) (02/27/91)

In article <895@hwee.UUCP> hodson@hwee.UUCP (Ian Hodson) writes:
>Another minor thing is the crp program seems to hang after a few
>commands! It then needs to be killed to clear the connection.
If you're using ksh with crp, don't.
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I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept
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vinoski@apollo.HP.COM (Stephen Vinoski) (03/01/91)

In article <1991Feb26.170351.4759@alphalpha.com> nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) writes:
>In article <895@hwee.UUCP> hodson@hwee.UUCP (Ian Hodson) writes:
>>Another minor thing is the crp program seems to hang after a few
>>commands! It then needs to be killed to clear the connection.
>If you're using ksh with crp, don't.

Works fine for me on sr10.3.

-steve


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root@ttsi.lonestar.org (System) (03/05/91)

In article <50163020.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> vinoski@apollo.HP.COM (Stephen Vinoski) writes:
>In article <1991Feb26.170351.4759@alphalpha.com> nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) writes:
>>In article <895@hwee.UUCP> hodson@hwee.UUCP (Ian Hodson) writes:
>>>Another minor thing is the crp program seems to hang after a few
>>>commands! It then needs to be killed to clear the connection.
>>If you're using ksh with crp, don't.
>
>Works fine for me on sr10.3.
>

Much to my dismay, ksh does occassionally lock up when used with crp 
on sr10.3.  /bsd4.3/bin/ls is especially prone to lock up in this
configuration.  Can anyone explain why?
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