turner@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Robert Turner) (03/29/91)
I'm looking for an editor that is as simple and yet as powerful as the dm editor. Any suggestions? If you're going to suggest emacs or vi, please lay down till the headache passes. Robert -- Robert Turner (602) 897-5441 Semiconductor Systems Design Technology, Motorola turner@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com OR ...!uunet!dover!turner "Most Americans do not know or appreciate the fact that citizenship is the primary political office under a constitutional government." Mortimer Adler
thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson) (03/29/91)
> I'm looking for an editor that is as simple and yet as powerful as > the dm editor. Any suggestions? If you're going to suggest emacs > or vi, please lay down till the headache passes. There isn't one. Unless you have the DM going so that you can move your cursor by moving the mouse, have the DM going and keydefs set up so that any (every?) key can do exactly what you want it to (there are almost 400 keydefs possible)), have a DM command prompt so you can easily do searches, substitutes, etc, you won't have one as powerful. Maybe in a couple years, OSF will get a decent user interface, and the standard will be as good as what we're giving up. <sob> -- jt -- John Thompson Honeywell, SSEC Plymouth, MN 55441 thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com Me? Represent Honeywell? You've GOT to be kidding!!!
krowitz@RICHTER.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) (03/29/91)
Sigh! I wanted an X, Motiff, Open Look, whatever, editor to be included in HP/Apollo's HP Vue for a long time. So has Doug Eltof, the ADUS president, so have a few thousand other Apollo users. We have asked, we have pleaded, we have made it an item in the engineering directives session of the annual ADUS conference for a couple of years running ... and we get no action. We've asked for it to be included in the base OSF offering (so that HP could not make the argument that "it wouldn't be standard" -- like HP Vue is standard!) -- and we get no response. At my department of MIT everyone is going over to Sun's, the Apollo users included. As soon as they get on them, the first question they ask is, "how can we get an Apollo-like editor and window manager?" I tell them they can't -- the Apollo's editor is built into the window manager, which is why we have global cut,copy, and paste functions on every application program -- not just those X applications who happen to implement these functions. Then they ask me to write a simple, Apollo-like editor just for work with a single file, and I turn them down because it's not my job (yet) to take care of the Suns -- I've got my hands full with the Apollos. Then they ask why all the professors are buying Suns instead of Apollos, and I answer that the Apollo DM window manager and the integrated editor are going to be going away anyhow -- that HP has made it *real* clear that GPR, the transcript pads, the DM, and all the other non-X, non-Motiff, non-HP Vue features are slated for the scrap heap. I explain that the latest HP/Apollo hardware will not run Domain/OS (not even SR11), only HP-UX and OSF so that buying new Apollo gear will not help the situation. They go away unhappy ... to their Sun Sparcstations. Which they are buying because that is what everyone else in geology, geophysics, physical oceanography, and meteorology is buying -- because at least they will have 100% compatibility with their collegue's machine even if it doesn't have the features they want -- because they can't even get the features they want from HP. Write HP and APR. Yes, I know that HP tends to ignore APR's or to give flipant answers like "we meant to remove this useful feature, therefore it's not a problem" ... but if no one speaks up except the 30 or 40 really pushy people who tend to corner Rose O'Donnell (hi, Rose! ;-) ) each year at the ADUS conference, then HP thinks that the DM editor functions are only of importance to a bunch of crufty, old, Aegis users who don't buy enough machines to be of any importance. Write an APR. Write a letter addressed to HP management in addition (so they can't ignore just the APR). Get your co-workers to write additional APR's and letters. Get your friends to write them. Send *seperate* copies. Bury them in paper until they get the idea. If you do not know to whom to send your letter, send me a copy and I (as ADUS VP for special interest groups with the responsibility for the engineering directions session at the up coming ADUS conference) will personally forward the letters to Jack Novia. Make the letter's short and to the point ... "I want DM style editing on all future HP offerings. Without this feature, HP has no value added over other similar X-Windows based Unix offerrings ..." If only twenty letters get written, it won't count. If two hundred get written, it will make an impression. == David M. Krowitz ADUS VP for SIG's MIT Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences Dept. room 54-527 Cambridge, MA 02139
wjw@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) (03/31/91)
In article <9103291546.AA08208@richter.mit.edu> krowitz@RICHTER.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) writes:
=>If only twenty letters get written, it won't count. If two hundred get
=>written, it will make an impression.
=>
Hi Dave,
Counting down.
Dear Mr/Ms Hp Apollo,
With this letter I would like to urge you to start implemeting an editor
a la DM-editor. It should include at least the global screenwide
cut and paste features found in the current DOMAIN/OS editor.
As would it be nice to keep the powerfull features given in the command
language.
Regards,
Willem Jan Withagen
Eindhoven University of Technology DomainName: wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl
Digital Systems Group, Room EH 10.10
P.O. 513 Tel: +31-40-473401
5600 MB Eindhoven The Netherlandschen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) (04/02/91)
In article <9103291546.AA08208@richter.mit.edu> krowitz@RICHTER.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) writes: > >If only twenty letters get written, it won't count. If two hundred get >written, it will make an impression. Sounds like it's time for another NetPower letter again. Perhaps instead of writting letters from two hundred old Apollo diehards, we could write one letter with consent of net users and have two hundreds or more signatures. Any volunteer? -- Jinfu Chen (602)898-5338 Motorola, Inc. SPS Mesa, AZ ...uunet!motsps!digital!chen chen@digital.sps.mot.com CMS: RXFR30 at MESAVM ----------