[comp.sys.apollo] DM in OSF -- APR response

dennis@nosc.mil (Dennis Cottel) (05/07/91)

At the end of March we were discussing OSF's lack of DM features.  At
David Krowitz's suggestion I sent in an APR asking for DM functionality
in OSF.  I thought that anyone who didn't send in their own APR (you all
did, right?) might be interested in the response, not that there's a lot
of content.  I note that they didn't specify who wants to "hear" what we
find most important.

   Dennis Cottel, dennis@NOSC.MIL, (619) 553-1645  
   Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA  92152


Service Request Number: J600625814
Reply date: 4/16/91

Submitter Text:

Since HP/Apollo is going to force us to switch over to OSF from
Domain/OS, you have to provide the same functionality which we now have
available to us under Domain/OS.  Specifically, you must provide all the
capabilities of the Display Manager in the OSF/Motif environment.

Reason Will Not Implement:

Thank you for your Service Request regarding DM functionality on OSF.
While this request was part of the original requested product
functionality there are currently no plans to implement all DM features
in OSF.  We agree that the DM environment is an extremely strong user
environment but the trend of the industry is toward standards.  In our
immediate OSF offerings we will be implementing the standards which are
so much in demand.  There are no plans to implement full DM
functionality under OSF.  We do, however, wish to add certain DM
features into our future offerings, as possible, and would be very
interested in hearing what features you find most important.  Currently,
we consider the DM editor to be a good candidate for a possible future
enhancement.

[...]  We have investigated your suggestion and we have concluded that
it cannot be effectively addressed in this product.  [...]

krowitz@RICHTER.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) (05/08/91)

There is an interesting note to this ...

OSF does *not* specify the display manager *anywhere* in there specs.
HP will be giving us HP/VUE, DEC will have something else, so will
IBM. The answer is disingeneous. Standards are not an issue in this
case.

The San Diego ADUS conference will again include an engineering directions
session. This year we will be running it a little different than in the
past. We will try to avoid the smaller issue (ie. "please add the -froboz
switch to the foobar program") and concentrate on strategic directions
(ie. "give us a DM-style display manager, and stop BS'ing about non-
existant standards"). Come to San Diego. Vote early. Vote often. Fill
out the on-line customer survey form. In the section marked "comments",
comment about HP's tendancy to use "standards" as an excuse for inaction.
Come to the HP management round table. Tell them face-to-face that
"me-too" standards are fine, but that you want technical inovation
ON TOP OF that, not just "standards-based" optional products.

The conference packet is in the mail to all registered ADUS members,
if you are not an ADUS member, call Andrea Woloski or Carol Relph
(508) 256-6600 and get registered.


 -- David Krowitz

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