[comp.sys.apollo] DN10K memory expansion questions

hurf@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Hurf Sheldon) (06/28/91)

	We have a DN10000 with 64mb of 'low density' memory and
	4 processors, and the 40plane graphics subsystem. When
	we ordered it we had the choice of getting up to 128mb
	of 'low density' memory or getting 64mb and later adding
	up to 128mb of 'high density' memory.(for a total of 192mb)
	As a consequence, I was under the impression we had room for
	at least 64mb of 'low density' memory but when I went to add 
	a borrowed 64mb board there were no empty slots...

	Could someone explain the memory configurations on the DN10k 
	for me?

thanks,
hurf
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thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson) (06/28/91)

> 	We have a DN10000 with 64mb of 'low density' memory and
> 	4 processors, and the 40plane graphics subsystem. When
> 	we ordered it we had the choice of getting up to 128mb
> 	of 'low density' memory or getting 64mb and later adding
> 	up to 128mb of 'high density' memory.(for a total of 192mb)
> 	As a consequence, I was under the impression we had room for
> 	at least 64mb of 'low density' memory but when I went to add 
> 	a borrowed 64mb board there were no empty slots...
> 
> 	Could someone explain the memory configurations on the DN10k 
> 	for me?

Well, I'll try.

The DN10000 has a total of 8 X-bus slots that can get boards put in them.
Each CPU takes up a slot, each RAM motherboard takes up 2 slots, and the
40 and 80 plane graphics systems takes up 1 and 2 slots (this is from the
O/S release notes -- I've never had the graphics systems).

Your system has 4 slots used up by CPUs, and at least 1 used up for the
graphics.  That leaves at most 3 slots available.  Since RAM motherboards
take up 2 slots, you can only have 1 in your machine, unless you remove
CPU(s) or the graphics board.

Each motherboard can hold 4 daughter-boards.  These boards can be either
16MB or 64MB in size.  The CONFIG program allows for 8 and 32 MB sizes
as well (if I remember right), but I've never seen them exist.  You 
apparently have 4 16MB boards, for 64 total.  In order to get more total 
memory, you can either remove 1 or more other X-bus devices (see above), or
you can buy the 64MB daughter boards.  There might be a trade-up policy in
effect, especially since HP/Apollo does realize that the DN10000 customers
have been screwed.  The only way I can see that you could get 192MB would
be for the 32MB boards to exist, and that you were supposed to get 2x32,
rather than 4x16.  Then you could add 2x64 to get to the 192MB total.

Incidentally, it might be that you didn't know how the RAM is added.  Each
mother board slides out, and holds (up to) 4 daughter boards.  These boards
are the only lousy thing about the DN10000 (IMHO).  You actually need a 
torque wrench and special little connector-bars to add the memory.  I 
assume that there's a good reason for this, but I don't know what it might
be.  
Did you actually pull out the RAM board from your system?  It'll be in the
X-bus, which is the ~ 20" wide one on the right-hand side of the machine, as
you face the front panel.  Since all your other X-bus boards should take up
one slot only, it should be easy to spot -- it's the one that takes up 2 slots.
If you pull it out, you'll see some daughter-boards bolted on to it.  It
might be that you have 2x32, and you could add the 64MB.

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