[comp.sys.pyramid] 8mm drives on Pyramid

adams@swbatl.sbc.com (Tom Adams - 235-7459) (01/09/91)

In article <524@trux.UUCP> car@trux.UUCP (Chris Rende) writes:
>We are considering the purchase of an 8mm tape drive for backup purposes.
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>I would appreciate any info/experience that anyone can offer.
>Price, speed, service, interfacing, unix-able-ness, storage, etc...
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>I have a Nixdorf Targon M35/50 (Pyramid 9810).
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>The plan would be to connect the new 8mm tape drive to the system as drive 1.
>(Drive 0 is the 9track tape drive that came with the system).
>
In article <524@trux.UUCP> car@trux.UUCP (Chris Rende) writes:
>We are considering the purchase of an 8mm tape drive for backup purposes.
>The plan would be to connect the new 8mm tape drive to the system as drive 1.
>(Drive 0 is the 9track tape drive that came with the system).

I've had a hell of a time getting any results from 2 Megatape drives.
When I went to buy the drives I asked around, and was told that the 
Megatape was more reliable than the other drive in the PRISM catalog.
I bought two, and was only able to crash my IOP for months.  Meanwhile
the FE told me that you couldn't unterminate the Kennedy 9 track or
change it's address, lots of folks on the net seemed to have no problems
at all (I did get lot's of identical dip switch advice), and I couldn't
get the damn things to work at all.  I was also going to daisy chain from 
an existing 9 track, and quickly noticed that most folks were wither not 
daisy chaining, or were only daisy-chianing the 8mm drives together.

When I upgraded (9825 -> MIS 4/2) Pyramid came up with a one page sheet 
quoting board rev levels required to use the 8mm drives (and a big 
disclaimer saying this did not imply any support for 8mm drives), which
explained my IOP crashes, and driver time outs (I think).

After the upgrade, and lot's of effort on my part (new cables, etc), 
I can use the drives for tar, but dump won't work and cpio writes a tape
but won't read it.  It does work, kinda, and beats 22 9 track tapes, but
it's still nasty.

I'm not impressed with Pyramid assitance on the Megatape, Megatape support
services ("I've never heard of any problems, it works fine on lot's of
Pyramid's"), or Pyramid's speed at providing a reasonable high density
backup alternative.

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csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl S. Gutekunst) (01/10/91)

>I'm not impressed with... Pyramid's speed at providing a reasonable high
>density backup alternative.

There's a simple reason for that: the people in Pyramid's peripherals group
who were evaluating 8mm didn't think the technology was sufficiently reliable
that it would be wise for the company to support it. Instead, they threw in
with RDAT, which at the time vendors (like HP and Sony) were promising would
be available Real Soon. Instead, it took over a year. I don't know what the
current status is of the RDAT drives, and someone may even be looking at 8mm
again. Hassle your salescritter.

(Regarding reliability of 8mm: It wasn't a question of Megatape vs. Exabyte
vs. anyone else; they all use the same Sony drive, and they all wore out
and/or the tapes become unreadable after a few months of simulated production
use. Don't ask me any more; I didn't run the tests, and it's been too long
since I looked at the results. And there are definitely lots of very happy
8mm users out there.)

<csg>