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INFO-MAC Digest Wednesday, 6 May 1987 Volume 5 : Issue 85 Today's Topics: scripting on the Macintosh Reconstructing Desktop WITH info? Shutdown/head parking Scrap Saver INIT CatMaker Appletalk, Bussedout, Mazewars no work? STARTUP SOUNDS Mac II Video choices? Re: Mac II is shipping! -- NEC MultiSync and Mac II Alt Keyboards for 512E? TOPS on a Mac XL? Utilization of Bernoulli Box Laser Disk Labels accounting programs Plotters Seeking TDBMS AppleTalk <-> RS232 Usenet Mac Digest V3 #33 Usenet Mac Digest V3 #34 Usenet Mac Digest V3 #35 Usenet Mac Digest V3 #36 Usenet Mac Digest V3 #37 Delphi Mac Digest V3 #24 Delphi Mac Digest V3 #25 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 May 1987, 10:23:57 PST From: David M. Gelphman 415-854-3300 x2538 DAVEG at From: SLACVM Subject: scripting on the Macintosh I haven't seen this topic discussed much on info-mac and I sure would like to hear other's opinions. It seems to me that the Mac user interface in its current implementation is seriously lacking the capability to script 'batch' processes, pipe output to different tasks, and create and edit POWERFUL Macros (Tempo is not powerful or ROBUST enough). It is unfortunate that these tools (especially Macros) are not part of the system software. It seems to me that with the introduction of the Mac II, Apple is going after a market rich in 'power users', and these users will demand more of the user interface in this regard. Comments? David Gelphman BITNET address: DAVEG@SLACVM Bin #88 SLAC ARPANET address: DAVEG@SLACVM.BITNET Stanford, Calif. 94305 UUCP address: ...psuvax1!daveg%slacvm.bitnet 415-854-3300 x2538 usual disclaimer #432 applies: my employer apologizes for the fact that I have access to this net. ------------------------------ Date: 1 May 1987 11:24-EDT From: Richard.Lerner@speech2.cs.cmu.edu Subject: Reconstructing Desktop WITH info? Does anyone know of a program which can recreate a desktop without loosing the text in the GetInfo box? It seems like it should be easy to get that information from the old desktop, or at least try. Thanks, Rick Rick Lerner Computer Science Dept. Carnegie Mellon Univ. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 (412) 268-3828 lerner@speech2.cs.cmu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 87 21:49:19 edt From: ephraim%wang.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: Shutdown/head parking In info-mac 5.83, an anonymous correspondent offers to send Kamerman Labs actual money for a decent shutdown utility. There's no need. The following should fill the bill, and comes complete with source code. The following BinHex 4.0 / Packit II file contains source code and executable for SCSI Stop, a shutdown utility. This should answer the questions about shutdown which were raised in info-mac volume 5, #57. This package is in the public domain. Ephraim Vishniac decvax!wanginst!wang!ephraim [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>UTILITY-SCSI-STOP.HQX DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 87 10:51 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Scrap Saver INIT [ Uploaded from Delphi by Jeff Shulman ] Name: SCRAPSAVER INIT Date: 1-MAY-1987 20:07 by LOGICHACK [ Updated to version 1.1 1-MAY-1987 20:07 by LOGICHACK. This latest version (1.1) of 4/29/87 has better error checking for empty Clipboard files and has a file creator type of 'MACS' so it shows up in System 4.1 and up as a little Macintosh icon. ] ScrapSaver is a small utility to read in the clipboard at boot time. This means your clipboard contents will always be around, even if you reboot or turn your computer off. This is most useful with System 4.0 and higher since it writes the scrap file on _ShutDown. To use ScrapSaver, simply drag it into your System Folder. Have fun. Bug reports and comments are should be directed to one of the addresses below. Paul Mercer Delphi: LOGICHACK AppleLink: D0131 MCI: SOL 681 E. Seneca Tpk., #A4 Syracuse, NY 13205 Phone: (315) 492-3348 [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>INIT-SCRAPSAVER-11.HQX DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 87 09:17 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: CatMaker [ Uploaded from Delphi by Jeff Shulman ] Name: CATMAKER Date: 3-MAY-1987 18:37 by WNOLAN Hard disk cataloging program, source code available (Lightspeed C). [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>UTILITY-CATMAKER.HQX DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun 3 May 87 22:26:57-EDT From: "Mike E. Ciholas" <MIKEC%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> Subject: Appletalk, Bussedout, Mazewars no work? I am experimenting with Appletalk trying to get Bussedout or Mazewars running. Equipment: 2 Mac Pluses, system software just before SE release I have tried to get these programs to work and neither does. Using th debugger, I found that Bussedout passes (get this!) an even pointer when it should pass an odd one! This was after I had to OpenMPP by debugger (It apparently did not do that right either). Mazewars has similiar problems. I have tried several versions of the ATP and MPP drivers (both in the system and program files). What I am doing wrong? Also, what's the story on file server packages for AT. I am looking for something that doesn't reqqXe a dedicated Mac. Did I hear something called TOPS or MACSERVE? Thanxs MIKEC@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU 5-May-87 16:04:01-PDT,1334;000000000001 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 87 16:03 PDT From: <C9017@UWAV4.BITNET> Subject: STARTUP SOUNDS Hello, According to the folks who brought us StartUpSounds (the MacNifty people), a startup sound can only be played correctly when (1) you have the proper sound INIT installed in your system, and (2) if the sound file was sampled at a rate of 22,000 samples per second. Sampling at this rate will occupy an awful lot of disk space (22K per second I think?), but I understand that this rate is necessary to insure a high sound "quality" during playback. I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to patch the INIT resource needed to play the startup sound so that it would also playback sound files sampled at a slower rate than 22,000. The MacNifty manual lists 4 different sampling speeds which it is capable of digitizing sounds (22,000 , 11,500 , 7,500, and 5,000 samples per second). I would like to be able to use sounds digitized at 11,500 samples per second as startup sounds. Has anyone else tried to do this successfully? Thanks, Bob Ruderman Bob Ruderman Department of Geography University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195 Bitnet: C9017@UWAV4.BITNET Arpanet: C9017%UWAV4.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Usenet: C9017%UWAV4.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 87 05:54 CDT From: <BOYD@TAMLSR.BITNET> (Scott T. Boyd) Subject: Mac II Video choices? If the Mac II is indeed shipping, it's about time to get the scoop on video options. Apple and Supermac both have fine color systems, but they're a bit pricey, even at developer rates. Anybody got any info on other vendors? Send to me if you can and I'll summarize. scott t. boyd the machax(tm) group ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 87 11:37:05 PDT (Tuesday) Subject: Re: Mac II is shipping! -- NEC MultiSync and Mac II From: LLi.ESCP8@Xerox.COM Now that Mac II is shipping, does anyone know if the NEC MultiSync monitor can be used on the Mac II? Leonard Li. Xerox ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 87 16:18:02 GMT+0100 From: Jay Rolls <jrolls@bbncc-eur.arpa> Subject: Alt Keyboards for 512E? A while back (several months ago) I saw posting(s) in reference to alternate keyboards for the Mac512/512E/+. Are these still avaialable? Do they operate well? Anybody doing conversions to allow SE/II keyboards to be hooked up to the other Macs? Any info appreciated. Jay Rolls BBN Communications Stuttgart, West Germany [jrolls@bbncc-eur.arpa] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 87 01:38:41 PDT From: Bernard Aboba <aboba@portia.Stanford.EDU> Subject: TOPS on a Mac XL? On the back (or maybe it's the side) of the box of the TOPS product by Centram Systems, it says that TOPS runs on a Mac XL. I've yet to figure out how, and I've been trying for weeks. A few details on the hardware: a Mac XL with 1 Meg Ram, and 10 Megabyte external Profile. Yes, 10 Megs. Apple replaced the 5 Meg drive with a 10 Meg one last time it was in for service. We're running without the screen modification. We WERE running System 3.2, Finder 5.3 on the Mac XL, but ever since the trouble started, we've had to revert to finder 4.1 system who knows what. Symptoms: Boot, get Welcome to Mac Message, TOPS installed, InterBase installed, and then El Bombo with system ID = 10. So I trash TOPS, install system 3.2, Finder 5.3, and lo and behold, same thing. Then we go back to the MFS system and finder, and all is jolly. Strange, eh? More TOPS strangeness: QDial 1.6 and Talking Moose blow up almost instantaneous while running under TOPS. So, is anyone out there running TOPS on a Mac XL? Care to share the secrets? I'm beginning to suspect that TOPS, or the SYSTEM is incredibly sensitive to what desk accessories, INIT resources, etc. are installed. Have noticed, for example, that a Mac XL will not boot off a system from a DataFrame 20 XP drive, while of course a Mac + will do just fine. By the way, all the systems referred to previously (which bomb on an XL) run just fine on the Mac. We're running MacWorks 3.0, installed on the Profile. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 87 7:46:38 MDT From: Harry McCaffrey STEWS-PR-C <hmccaffr@wsmr07.ARPA> Subject: Utilization of Bernoulli Box I'd appreciate any comments from people who have had experience with Bernoulli Boxes, or comments in general with respect to what I have detailed below. 1. Equipment - Original 128K machine that has been upgraded with new ROM, 800K drive, and has MacMemory 2 Meg of RAM. No SCSI port added. 2. Situation - a. I'd like a hard drive, but what I really want is a drive with tape backup also. However, I don't want to invest that kind of money at this time as I just might go for a totally new machine in several years. b. I could buy a Jasmine 20 for approx. $590, but I'm skeptical of some of these new firms and like to stick with a name brand that I can get serviced easily, and a firm that will be in business at some point in the future. c. I'm not what you'd call a power user, and I'm not one of those who has hundreds of diskettes (maybe a hundred) full of software. My needs are text editing, data base work, some paint, and remote access to a multiuser micro system. My young daughter is learning and will probably be a heavy user some day. d. Icon Review has been selling the older (serial port) 5 Meg Bernoulli Boxes for $499, and a pack of three 5 Meg cartridges for $99. I realize their are limitations with this equipment: you can't boot from it; it's a bit noisy; it's slower than a SCSI. Their are advantages also with the method of operation that make then less susceptible to a crash, and the ease of data security. The thought is to just considered it a 5 Meg floppy and boot with my RAM disk as I currently do. I could store my applications on the cartridge and my data on 3.5"disks, and the Ram disk could contain all the goodies for the desk top. My backup could also consist of a cartridge(s). 3. Questions - a. Is this a reasonable idea for a modest investment, and an interim solution? Would it work? b. Does anybody have any experience with this equipment, good or bad? 4. Please respond directly to me, and if anyone is interested in the results I'll certainly let you know. Thanks, H.C. McCaffrey White Sands Missile Range, NM hmccaffr@wsmr07.arpa ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 1987 23:57-EST From: Duane.Williams@me.ri.cmu.edu Subject: Laser Disk Labels Can someone tell me where to get a copy of the MacDraw disk label described on page 154 of the May issue of MacUser? The article says the file is available on CompuServe and GEnie, but it doesn't give the precise locations. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 May 87 18:39:59 EST From: Bernardo Ferdman <BMF13@ALBNYVM1> Subject: accounting programs Hi, I don't belong to this list, but I'm wondering if any of you can help me. For a friend, I'm looking into accounting and/or job cost analysis programs for the MAC. Any leads into either freeware, shareware, or any other kind of program and/or publisher would be greatly appreciated. Preferable programs are those that would allow keeping ledgers and so on. Thank you for your help! (Please reply directly to me. If anyone requests it, I will summarize responses for the list) Bernardo Ferdman BMF13@ALBNYVM1.bitnet (State University of New York at Albany, tel (518) 442-5136) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 87 09:16:04 pdt From: Wm. L. Brown <wbrown@lbl-ux4> Subject: Plotters A user here is lookming for drivers to run a Tektronix 4662 single pen plotter and/or a 4692 multi-pen plotter. Any ideas? Please reply direct - If we get any useful info I'll summarize for the net. bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 87 18:36:09 PDT From: homo obsolescensis <XB.K98@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Seeking TDBMS I apologize if this subject has been covered already, but I haven't been able to locate an answer so far. I am trying to locate a text data base management system (TDBMS) for the mac that would be similar to Instant Recall or AskSam on the ibm. If anyone know of such a program, I would be grateful if they would let me know (off-net preferably). Thanks in advance. Walter Henry xb.k98@forsyth.stanford.edu <ARPA> xb.k98@stanford <Bitnet> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1987 07:33 PDT From: Mark McNair - ACS MSG <M1478%UWACDC.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu> Subject: AppleTalk <-> RS232 Infosphere (in Portland OR, (503) 226-3620) has a new product called 'ComServe' which claims to make an RS232 channel available to all Macs on an AppleTalk. Specifically (from their brochure): Shares an outbound serial communications channel Supports data rates of 300 to 9600 baud Supports the leading telecom applications, transparently Allows servers to be selected by name, using Chooser Operates in the background of a Macintosh, requiring no dedicated HW Runs optionally with AppleShare and MacServe as co-resident services Works on Mac 512, Mac +, and Mac XL I haven't tried it (heck, I haven't even SEEN it) but it sounds good. (standard disclaimer - I have nothing whatsoever to do with Infosphere) Mark McNair (M1478@UWACDC.Bitnet University of Washington, Seattle) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 87 16:17 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #33 Usenet Mac Digest Friday, April 24, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 33 Today's Topics: Re: Mac II D/A resolution Cancelling prints Re: UNIX and Mac applications on the Mac II Will Lubrication Stop Annoying 400K Drive Noises? Lightspeed Pascal Problem... Old English font Re: UNIX and Mac applications on the Mac II Dove memory upgrades Fixing Sad Macs (stuck switches) Switcher 5.1 "scratchpad application"? Re: HELP!! Interchanging Spreadsheet Files ie DIF <> SYLK or WKS?? Upgrade your Mac 512 now! (2 messages) New Release of FzzPlot Most appropriate sound editor? How to launch an application Re: Mac II D/A resolution Re: Programming for High Baud Rates Megamax C, uw and Newer system files MacFortran 'include' sensitive to trailing blanks... remapping keyboard ? MacDraw, MacWrite --> PostScript? -- Request Using UnpackBits to decode MacPaint files [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>USENETV3-33.ARC DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 87 16:17 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #34 Usenet Mac Digest Friday, April 24, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 34 Today's Topics: Re: Programming for High Baud Rates Writing for MacUser (warning) Re: Graphing Programs Speedy floating point options (2 messages) Re: DMCS MS Word 3.0 upgrade. Reverting With the Resource Manager BeepInit bug! Re: How to launch an application How to Change MS WORD 3.0 Menu Names? Mac Touch Screens? THE DEBUGGER (& macnosy) MacinTalk on an SE ( Was: Own an SE? Can you do me a favor?) 800K Drive/128K ROM PC/Mac Tape Backup Re: DMCS 2400 Baud Modems Subscribing to MacUser (warning) Bernoulli Box & Apple HD 20 SC chinese wordprocessor Connecting Mac+ to Olympia Typewriter More MS Word bugs Why does AppleShare require a MacPlus? Re: Modem cables [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>USENETV3-34.ARC DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 87 10:48 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #35 Usenet Mac Digest Saturday, May 2, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 35 Today's Topics: Re: Subscribing to MacUser (warning) Re: How to launch an application Re: Dove memory upgrades Re: BeepInit bug! Re: THE DEBUGGER (& macnosy) Re: How to Change MS WORD 3.0 Menu Names? Pascal Scientific Libraries Wanted: digitized pictures of famous paintings Re: How to launch an application Read/Write discs in another format "system" call WANTED screenplay Word Processor Re: "system" call Re: Smalltalk80 for Mac from Xerox? Re: Wanted: digitized pictures of famous paintings MacUser Subscriptions Re: MacPaint to PC-Paint Classic Mac operation with programming for SE or Mac ][? [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>USENETV3-35.ARC DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 87 10:49 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #36 Usenet Mac Digest Saturday, May 2, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 36 Today's Topics: Re: THE DEBUGGER (& macnosy) AppleTalk through Broadband? Re: "system" call (2 messages) Re: Classic Mac operation with programming for SE or Mac ][? MacFortran: Bug or Feature? Replacing Appletalk driver with RS-232 driver EDT Calling "LAUNCH" from Pascal Re: anomoly in LightspeedC include file? (maybe) Does Versaterm do custom keymaps? Re: Replacing Appletalk driver with RS-232 driver Re: Smalltalk80 for Mac from Xerox? Re: How to Change MS WORD 3.0 Menu Names? RamStart 1.3 bug on SE text-to-MS Word Re: Smalltalk80 for Mac from Xerox? CD-ROMs in Apple's Future Re: RamStart 1.3 bug on SE [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>USENETV3-36.ARC DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 87 10:49 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #37 Usenet Mac Digest Saturday, May 2, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 37 Today's Topics: MacTerminal patch for new keyboard Re: Program compatability between Mac ][ and Classic Mac... Re: Calling "LAUNCH" from Pascal AppleTalk on broadband WriteResource Bug Patch curved arrows Mazewars plus and Appletalk Slide Production Systems.... Re: Patch for Font/DA Mover wanted Re: MacSnap Memory Addition (?) Re: TextEdit sub/superscripting Re: curved arrows Cheap scsi drives: survey results (longish) [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>USENETV3-37.ARC DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 87 16:18 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #24 Delphi Mac Digest Monday, April 27, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: re: HD Backup directories re Icons in menus Dvorak Keyboard Layout Any engineers out there? (2 messages) re: SuperPaint, Aldus Prep, spelling che RE: MacFair II and the Macintosh II (4 messages) RE: sound problem ResEdit is not your friend (3 messages) Prototyper maker Addr wanted Response to DiskTime II Review Re: Reverting With the Resource Manager Switcher programming re: Writing for MacUser (warning) re: How to Change MS WORD 3.0 Menu Names MacFaire Rotterdam Part1 (3 messages) MPW C code resources word centering [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DELPHIV3-24.ARC DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 87 10:50 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #25 Delphi Mac Digest Monday, May 4, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 25 Today's Topics: Help (3 messages) DiskTimer II, MacBottom 40 Word 3.0 re: ScrapSaver INIT re: Emacs and Scribe for Mac ADB Optical Mice watch cursor (3 messages) MacMemory Upgrades Scan 300 (2 messages) Overvue 2.1 bug MacApp license for free programs system heap (3 messages) Word 3 and Switcher The Low down on LoDown? TMON & System 4.1 SCSI sensing (3 messages) Font Scaling RSG 3.0 vs. Laserprep 3.3 Re: AutoBlack and SE Re: Help! Mangled Hard Disk Here are the headlines MacWorld Rotterdam Rest Words to program by Keyboard differences [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DELPHIV3-25.ARC DoD ] ------------------------------ End of INFO-MAC Digest **********************