SHULMAN@sdr.slb.COM (Jeffrey Shulman) (12/10/87)
Date: Wed 9 Dec 87 12:47:02-GMT From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR> Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #52 To: Delphi-List: ; Message-ID: <566052422.0.SHULMAN@SDR> Mail-System-Version: <VAX-MM(218)+TOPSLIB(129)@SDR> Delphi Mac Digest Wednesday, December 9, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 52 Today's Topics: RE: Smalltalk (4 messages) 50 cycle line frequency (3 messages) RE: Compuserve Navigator needed Re: Experiences with Rodime RX1000 inter Stack Size and PixMaps? RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #97 (3 messages) re: MIDI + LSC re: Multifinder System Memory Observatio re: SICNs PowerStation 1.1 patches (revised) Word 3.01 vs. multifinder? (2 messages) CAMERA DA (2 messages) SE Power Supply Crystal Quest is out! Silicon Press Mac BBS Systems - to PC or not to PC? Color StartupScreens (2 messages) RE: LSC fread limitation? Dial-up AppleTalk re: List manager, etc. re: MultiFinder Memory re: using alternative desktops with new RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #102 (2 messages) memory upgrades (2 messages) MIDI & 31K baud ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAULMERCER Subject: RE: Smalltalk (Re: Msg 2208) Date: 26-NOV 03:29 Developers' Corner I have a onepage work-in-progress description of Apple's Smalltalk 1.0. It does away with the PARC MVC user interface and directly substitutes it with MacApp. Therefore, it won't be compatible with user interface code from Smalltalk-80. But this seems like the way to go on the Mac. It also mentions that it should be done in '88 and will be sold thru APDA. The guy at Apple to get more info is Harvey Alcabes. Paul :) ------------------------------ From: NOFAL Subject: RE: Smalltalk (Re: Msg 2212) Date: 27-NOV 01:07 Developers' Corner Where did you get that info? I want to know more about it. Is it real Smalltalk? It has an Interpreter or a Compiler? It is a Development System to create REAL double-clickable apps or needs a Run-time module? It has Multiple-Inheritance? It works under MultiFinder? Well ,I think that are enough questions up to now.Please let me know anything you know about it. _danny PS:I'm excited about it! Wow! ------------------------------ From: PAULMERCER Subject: RE: Smalltalk (Re: Msg 2214) Date: 27-NOV 01:22 Developers' Corner I got the info from a data sheet given out at OOPSLA '87. I'm no Smalltalk guru but Smalltalk has always been an interpreter. I think this version is derived from Smalltalk .04 which is being distributed by APDA at a VERY REASONBLE $50. Since this is a direct port of Smalltalk 80 lvel 1, I don't think it has multiple inheritance. I have not seen the actuall system but the sheet had a screen dump. I would certainly be disappointed if it didn't work under Juggler. Please note the above info is merely my interpretation and may be totally untrue. You should send some mail to Harvey Alcabes of the Tools & Languages group for definitive info. It looks pretty neat. Paul :) ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Smalltalk (Re: Msg 2217) Date: 28-NOV 18:21 Developers' Corner Harvey Alcabes works for Apple Computer Tools & Languages. You can get in touch with him by calling (408) 996-1010, which is the Apple main switchboard in Cupertino. peter ------------------------------ From: UJL0012 Subject: 50 cycle line frequency Date: 27-NOV 09:47 Hardware & Peripherals Since I live in Tokyo, Japan where the frequency is 50 Hz, the operability of a 60 Hz machine in a 50 Hz area has been a major concern for me. What I am particularly interested in is the domestic ImageWriter LQ ("domestic" in this sense is used to mean "for use in the U.S.") which is officially rated only for 60 cycle frequency services. Although I read in "The Help Folder" section in the December 1987 issue of MacUser (p.75) that many people including some Apple engineers say that you would get satisfactory results on a 50 Hz service, the same article also said that the use of a domestic ImageWriter LQ on a 50 Hz service may result in (l) character spacing problems and (2) the shortening of the printer's life due to the excess heat. Well, it really is difficult to make a judgment just out of the information above. I would really appreciate any information or opinion with regard to this debate. Of course, I will not hold anyone responsible for any information or opinion. Your candid opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your attention to my question. Junichiro ------------------------------ From: NWOLF Subject: RE: 50 cycle line frequency (Re: Msg 23877) Date: 27-NOV 21:16 Hardware & Peripherals JUNICHIRO, I believe you can easily solve your problem with a powr converter commonly used by travelers. This should enable you to convert your 50 cycles to the 60 cycles requird. They are not so very expensive and easily available. Neil. ------------------------------ From: HALL Subject: RE: 50 cycle line frequency (Re: Msg 23877) Date: 28-NOV 05:29 Hardware & Peripherals Hmmm, I'd think it wouldn't be too hard to come up with a simple circuit that would convert 50 Hz AC to 60 Hz AC, by converting it to DC in between. If you can get it, take a look at the December Radio Electronics. You could probably modify the UPS circuit to do what you'd need for a reasonable price. Brian ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Compuserve Navigator needed (Re: Msg 23876) Date: 27-NOV 20:14 Network Digests >Date: Mon, 23 Nov 87 15:44 EST >From: Brian Campbell <EE2Y%CRNLVAX5.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> >Subject: Compuserve Navigator needed >Has anyone obtained Navigator, a prog. which allows you to maneuver more >easily thru Compuserve? If so, could you please either e-mail to me, or >post on comp.sys.mac/sumex-aim? This program, which was originally released as Shareware, is now a commercial product distributed by CompuServe. I don't know if it is still legit to pass on the Shareware version. peter "In any context, half of all references PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global." ------------------------------ From: MACWEEKBOS Subject: Re: Experiences with Rodime RX1000 inter (Re: Msg 23915) Date: 29-NOV 20:58 Network Digests Re: Experiences with Rodime RX1000 internal disk drives I have used two Rodime 140's in a Mac II, both from CMS. One failed, apparently in the hardware, such that it would not boot. (I'm waiting to hear a diagnosis from CMS). The other has been working fine for a couple of weeks, and proved to be quite fast in a file-duplication test I ran (equivalent to DataFrame XP40). Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: INTECO Subject: Stack Size and PixMaps? Date: 29-NOV 23:17 Programming Techniques One of the more hidden points of Mac programming is determining the necessary stack size... IM I states for CopyBits (at least 3.5K as a convention). With Color Pictures we get much larger pictures . I do for example for copying the color contence of a window just an OpenCPicture and then a CopyBits on itself... It works perfect but how? (I calculated 115KBytes for the PixMap but I had only 70kBytes Stack) Any "scientifi" answer...? Uwe ------------------------------ From: MACWEEKBOS Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #97 (Re: Msg 23943) Date: 30-NOV 20:45 Network Digests Peter and Chuq, For what it's worth, the fullfillment problem is a recognized one and it's being worked on in San Francisco. I'm sorry (and frustrated too) that it isn't possible to solve all the problems immediately. One factor is that circulation is limited. We cannot simply expand freely, but must keep circulation under control to match ad rates and the costs of production. Bill Hooven (circulation director) and the other folks involved have been working on some way of getting MacWEEK to people that don't qualify for free subscriptions - or who do qualify but can't be added right away. I believe they have a policy of providing MacWEEK as a paid subscription to such people, at a reasonable rate (less than $50/year). If you haven't already called, the number is: 415-882-7370 and you should talk to Bill Hooven or ask for "circulation." Ric. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #97 (Re: Msg 23913) Date: 30-NOV 21:17 Network Digests > From: chuq@plaid.Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) > Subject: MacUser Hypercard coverage > zoom-window icon, for instance, came out of an extension in Word 1.0 This is news to me. Word might have been the first program to zoom, but I don't recall them doing it in a visual way. David Dunham "If it has syntax, it isn't user-friendly." Maitreya Design ------------------------------ From: CHUQ Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #97 (Re: Msg 23956) Date: 30-NOV 22:07 Network Digests mutter. Let me clarify. The zoom window was first seen in Word 1.0. It was well enough received that Apple adopted it into the next release of their system -- it was implemented differently, but the concept came from Microsoft, not from Apple. chuq ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: re: MIDI + LSC (Re: Msg 23912) Date: 30-NOV 21:16 Network Digests >From: ronw@inmet.UUCP >Subject: MIDI + LSC I'm using the routines in MacTutor, vol. 3 no. 7, July 1987. David Dunham "A mind is like a parachute. It only functions when open." Maitreya Design ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: re: Multifinder System Memory Observatio (Re: Msg 23914) Date: 30-NOV 21:17 Network Digests > From: chow@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Christopher Chow) > Subject: Multifinder System Memory Observations. DiskInfo reports the amount of memory free in the current MultiFinder partition. David Dunham "Efficiency is intelligent laziness." Maitreya Design ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: re: SICNs (Re: Msg 23915) Date: 30-NOV 21:18 Network Digests > From: sho@tybalt.caltech.edu (Sho Kuwamoto) > Subject: SICNs It's real easy to make SICNs with ResEdit, and I've got a letter in a recent MacTutor explaining how your program can draw them. But you should be aware that the Finder doesn't use SICNs where you think it does -- those ugly shrunken icons are just that, ugly shrunken ICONs. David Dunham "Whenever you see a sign 'No Exit,' it means Maitreya Design there is an exit." ------------------------------ From: BRECHER Subject: PowerStation 1.1 patches (revised) Date: 1-DEC-22:12: Bugs & Features (Revised posting. The previous posting omitted patches #4a and #5a. Apologies.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PowerStation 1.1 problems with MultiFinder and patches to fix same. Problem: PowerStation's Finder button can cause a crash. Fixed by patches #1, #2, and #3. Problem: The Restart and Shut Down commands from PowerStation's Special menu return to Finder (if Finder is running) or merely quit and then reopen PowerStation (if Finder is not running). Workaround: quit to Finder (assumes patches #1, #2, and #3 applied) and use Finder's Restart or Shut Down. If Finder is not running, hold Option while clicking the Finder button to get back to Finder, then go back to PowerStation and click the Finder button again (without Option) to quit PowerStation. Problem: Open an application from PowerStation. After the "interval of idleness" specified in PowerStation's Preferences dialog, return to PowerStation by quitting the application or by switching to PowerStation. PowerStation's boxes/buttons are invisible. Fixed by patches #4,#4a, #5, #5a. The "original" and "patch to" values are indented here to indicate their relative positions as they will appear in Fedit's hexadecimal display. patch #1----------------------------------------- Location: file sector 20 (14 hex), offset 26 (01A hex) bytes within sector; 281A hex bytes from start of file. original: 41FA 0046 2078 patch to: 2038 095C 6F0E original: 0A80 303C 010D A047 21F8 0958 033C 2078 patch to: 2040 A01F 2078 0A80 303C 010D A047 21F8 original: 095C A01F 4E75 4EBA FFE6 6704 2EB8 patch to: 0958 033C 4E75 4EBA FFE2 6704 2F38 patch #2----------------------------------------- Location: file sector 30 (1E hex), offset 242 (0F2 hex) bytes within sector; 3CF2 hex bytes from start of file. original: 4EBA EB2A patch to: 4EBA EB26 patch #3----------------------------------------- Location: file sector 31 (1F hex), offset 426 (1AA hex) bytes within sector; 3FAA hex bytes from start of file. original: 4EBA E872 patch to: 4EBA E86E patch #4----------------------------------------- Location: file sector 61 (3D hex), offset 216 (0D8 hex) bytes within sector; 7AD8 hex bytes from start of file. original: 4E56 0000 207C 0000 patch to: 6606 4A2D FCF0 660E original: 016A 202D F7FC D090 206E 0008 2140 FFF8 patch to: 202D F7FC D0B8 016A 2D40 FFF8 4E75 5897 original: 4E5E patch to: 4E75 patch #4a---------------------------------------- Location: file sector 61 (3D hex), offset 270 (10E hex) bytes within sector; 7B0E hex bytes from start of file. original: 2F0E patch to: 4E71 original: 4EBA FFC6 patch to: 4EBA FFCE patch #5----------------------------------------- Location: file sector 61 (3D hex), offset 458 (1CA hex) bytes within sector; 7BCA hex bytes from start of file. original: 4A6D FAC4 670A patch to: 4A47 6710 4A6D original: 2F0E patch to: FAC4 patch #5a---------------------------------------- Location: file sector 62 (3E hex), offset 084 (054 hex) bytes within sector; 7C54 hex bytes from start of file. original: 2F0E 4EBA FE80 patch to: 4E71 4EBA FE88 ------------------------------ From: CHUQ Subject: Word 3.01 vs. multifinder? Date: 2-DEC-01:18: Bugs & Features [ Has anyone else seen bomb (id=2) of Word 3.01 under multifinder? I have something that is 100% repeatable. I'm on a 2 meg system, running the official release, with just MF and Word running. Background printing is on. If you open up a locked file (for instance, my letterhead) and modify it so that it is more than a single page, print it, and then click the close box, Word asks you if you want to save it. If you say 'no' then word bombs. If any of the above is different, including being a 1 page letter, word works fine. I just lost my on-line copy of an important letter to it, so while it may be obscure, it isn't trivial (to me). (The letter I lost was a different letter in the same word job, by the by. But it still bombs with only a single file opened). Anyone else seen this? I haven't had time to really sit and figure out what the single factor in the failure is yet (and I don't know when I will be able to, unfortunately). sigh. I don't want my WP to go flakey again... chuq ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: Word 3.01 vs. multifinder? (Re: Msg 23971) Date: 2-DEC-02:19: Bugs & Features You didn't give Word more memory than it wants, did you? ------------------------------ From: MICMAC Subject: CAMERA DA Date: 2-DEC-08:53: Public Domain Since I'm in the process of writing Macintosh Documentation, I found that Camera Da definitely died with the new System! Does someone know a program that do the job of the menus screens or is there any patches? Thanks Michel Coste MiC MAC Editor ------------------------------ From: PDNNOG Subject: RE: CAMERA DA (Re: Msg 23977) Date: 2-DEC-22:22: Public Domain I use an FKEY call menuselect 2.0. You call it, and then when you want a picture with menu down, select the menu, pull down to the point you want and press the option key..bingo! picture is taken. ------------------------------ From: NETMAN Subject: SE Power Supply Date: 2-DEC-11:28: Hardware & Peripherals My power supply in my 2-floppy drive SE just died a stange death. I had it replaced and my problems seem to have disappeared but I'm not totally convinced that the problem was with my power supply....I'll explain and perhaps someone can shed some light on this subject. About a month ago I noticed that it could take 2-5 minutes for my SE to 'turn' on after the power was turned on. Eventually it would start and everything seemed to be okay. You could do restarts, etc. and there would be no delays. As time went on it seemed to take longer and longer for the Mac to 'turn-on'. Furthermore, there seemed to be some relationship to the amount of time the machine was cold (unpowered) and how long it would take to start up. If I did not use it for a week (I was sick) it took over an hour to start-up after being powered on. The only 'strange' hardware that is attached to my Mac is a Thunderware PowerPort...but they dismiss any responsibility for my problems. My SE seems okay for now but I'm wondering what could have caused this problem. I can't believe that it needed to warm up or any such nonsense. There was just plain NO RESPONSE when you turned the power switch on. I opened er up a few times to check all the connections and it seemed pretty solid. (I did not bother to remove the Power Supply). Anyone got any ideas on this one.... Thanks in advan, Jonathan ------------------------------ From: BMUG Subject: Crystal Quest is out! Date: 3-DEC-05:34: Games and Entertainment Color Mac II gaming is here! I just walked down to my local dealer [MacOrchard in Berkeley, (415) 540-6224], and what did they have on the shelves but CRYSTAL QUEST, the sequel to the ShareWare game CRYSTAL RAIDERS. It is from Greene, Inc., and available for $28.95 + tax [$40 retail, I think]. It is ***HOT***! The sounds are fabulous! The full-color Mac II graphics are spectacular! A friend with a SuperMac monitor complains that it isn't full- screen, but it sure takes up the entire Apple Color monitor! The premise of the game is the same as Crystal Raiders, but many enhancements have been made. There are lots of different "nasties", more help screens, better high score recording, and better control (perhaps just because of the desktop bus mouse, or the Mac II). It works on lesser Macs, as well. They include a PD "Sampler" file that I'll upload, stuffed. The sound file, PD as well, is 390K. Beware, though! The sampler is absolutely addictive. I was exposed to it just yesterday, and I bought the game today. -- Raines "burning a hole in the pocket" / BMUG [ It was further noted that the released version was copy protected - Jeff ] ------------------------------ From: SWEET Subject: Silicon Press Date: 3-DEC-23:59: Business Mac Hi all, I am having problems with Silicon Press. It worked great until system 6.0...etc. I am not running under multifinder just the new finder/system.The text/item boxes are covering each other up. Letters are getting cut off ,etc. It used to be the boxes could overlap as long as the text did not touch.Now the edit boxes cover the other text. Any ideas? Any help would be appreciated. Oh yeah....this is on an SE with 6.0 etc. Thanks....."Sweet" ....Chuck^Z ------------------------------ From: MADMACS Subject: Mac BBS Systems - to PC or not to PC? Date: 4-DEC-02:28: MUGS Online This is the response of a message I sent to Raines the other day of the viability, possibility, and costs of using a PC based system for a Mac BBS. That way we can use our Mac for more useful purposes. Unfortunately I don't know how to recall my original message I sent to him, but the basic was: What's a good/cheap clone, hard disk What is the best software, for FIDO support, for Multiple lines, for Both? What is the word on the TeleBit modem, cost, the "deal", etc... Any help would be appreciated. Mad Mac is looking to expand in big ways. Thanks for your help, Brian Bezanson Sysop, Mad Mad BBS > BRIAN - > > Since the information you ask for could be useful to many people, could you > re-post your question in the forum? I just sent an answer to several folks > asking similar questions, and I can't stand repeating myself. > > The cost for going multi-line is actually more than it might seem at first > glance, since software that does that reliably is not "bottom of the line". > We'r running TBBS /m software on a Whole Earth PC AT clone. I don't have > any TeleBit info, but there are good SYSOP discounts. FIDONET linkup is > well worth it, because you are then automatically exchanging messages with > over a hundred BBS's all over tfeh world, and it is often just a local call. > > Post a message in the "MUG" section of ICONtact [copy this response, too, > if you would], and that should help get things rolling. > > > -- Raines Cohen > > SYSOP, BMUG BBS ------------------------------ From: DIVERDAN Subject: Color StartupScreens Date: 6-DEC-10:39: Programming Techniques I have been looking around for a method to get a color startup screen for my mac II. I have tried the directions given on page 187 of Nov MacUser to no avail. Anyone out there been successful and if so, HOW??? ------------------------------ From: DSACHS Subject: RE: Color StartupScreens (Re: Msg 2228) Date: 6-DEC-15:31: Programming Techniques Use GIFFER 1.0 or GRAYVIEW and save any color picture as a PICT resource with ID=0. Rename the file "StartupScreen" and place in system folder. There are several public domain screen available. ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: LSC fread limitation? (Re: Msg 24035) Date: 5-DEC-20:24: Network Digests >From: mike@artsvax.UUCP (Michael Czeiszperger) >Subject: LSC fread limitation? >Date: 2 Dec 87 03:23:21 GMT >Organization: College of the Arts Computer Lab, OSU >This is a continuation of my problem with reading entire files into >memory. The following command: > unsigned char buffer[300*512]; > FILE *fp; > fread(buffer,sizeof(char),300*512,fp); >.. always reads in only 44 blocks, even though the file in question >contains no resources, and is over 300k in size. The fread should read LSC uses 16-bit integers, so the expression 300*512 is being truncated to the low 16 bits. 300 is 256+44, so the loss of that one high-order bit explains everything. You probably would be a lot happier using FSRead anyway, unless your source code has to be portable. peter "In any context, half of all references PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global." ------------------------------ From: MACWEEKBOS Subject: Dial-up AppleTalk Date: 6-DEC-11:31: Business Mac I started doing some research on hooking up our Boston office to our San Francisco office to run InBox remotely to talk to the AppleShare InBox system there. I haven't found anyone who has done this, with InterBridges, R-servers, NetModems, NetSerials, or anything else. Does anyone have experience with this, or with any other form of dial-up AppleTalk networking? I know a lot of people want to do it, but we've got to have reliability and decent performance without spending tens of thousands of dollars on stuff like leased lines, and Apple hasn't announced any solutions that I know of. Open for input, Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: re: List manager, etc. (Re: Msg 24034) Date: 6-DEC-22:27: Network Digests > From: sho@tybalt.caltech.edu (Sho Kuwamoto) > Subject: List manager, etc. There's a lot of overhead having a TextEdit record for each cell (near 100 bytes, if I remember correctly). But you only edit one cell at once, right? So why not have a single TextEdit, and move it to wherever the user clicks? Doesn't seem inelegant to me (but that's because I use that technique in Acta, which being a DA can't spare the memory). David Dunham "A mind is like a parachute. It only functions when open." Maitreya Design ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: re: MultiFinder Memory (Re: Msg 24034) Date: 7-DEC-22:04: Network Digests > From: raylau@dasys1.UUCP (Raymond Lau) > Subject: MultiFinder Memory DiskInfo shows the amount of memory left in the current partition, and the size of the partition. You can position the DiskInfo window so this info is visible, and watch it change as you Juggle. David Dunham "If it has syntax, it isn't user-friendly." Maitreya Design ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: re: using alternative desktops with new (Re: Msg 24035) Date: 7-DEC-22:04: Network Digests > From: flowers@CS.UCLA.EDU > Subject: using alternative desktops with new system Using the alternative icons is simply a matter of using ResEdit on the ICONs in your current Finder. David Dunham "Whenever you see a sign 'No Exit,' it means Maitreya Design there is an exit." ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #102 (Re: Msg 24036) Date: 7-DEC-22:05: Network Digests > Why am I the only one to post MPW C bug reports to the net? > Am I the only one that finds them? -- Hardly likely (in spite of > the popularity of LightSpeed C). We like LightspeedC, not MPW C, that's why. I still don't think MPW C is intended to be a Macintosh development system -- why such crummy support for the toolbox? (Glue to translate strings [which you've gotten from resources _anyway_] is not good support.) David Dunham "Efficiency is intelligent laziness." Maitreya Design ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #102 (Re: Msg 24094) Date: 7-DEC-23:06: Network Digests In version 2.0, you don't have to use the string-translating glue. However, having painted themselves into a compatibility corner, they are stuck with this pitiful all-upper-case naming convention for the rationalized glue. peter ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: memory upgrades Date: 8-DEC-22:04: Hardware & Peripherals If I expand my Mac II from 2Mb to 5Mb, is there any way I can pop the extra 1Mb worth of SIMMs into a Plus, to expand it to 2Mb? (Trying to figure if I should buy more hardware this tax year...) ------------------------------ From: HALL Subject: RE: memory upgrades (Re: Msg 24103) Date: 9-DEC-02:02: Hardware & Peripherals No. Brian ;-) ------------------------------ From: GDUDEK Subject: MIDI & 31K baud Date: 9-DEC-00:22: Programming I'd like to send MIDI information out via my modem port. MIDI uses 31K baud rate though. Anybody know how I get this? As far as I can tell, commercial MIDI software write to the serial port *without* using either WRITE or CONTROL OS traps. Greg Dudek ------------------------------ End of Delphi Mac Digest ************************ -------