SHULMAN@sdr.slb.COM (Jeffrey Shulman) (12/27/87)
Date: Sun 27 Dec 87 11:58:02-GMT From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR> Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #55 To: Delphi-List: ; Message-ID: <567604682.0.SHULMAN@SDR> Mail-System-Version: <VAX-MM(218)+TOPSLIB(129)@SDR> Delphi Mac Digest Sunday, December 27, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 55 Today's Topics: RE: FKEYs and re-entrancy (4 messages) Any cheap OCR's out there? (3 messages) RE: Mac's, PC's, Cat's, Inertial tasks, re: Generating PostScript output Survey Software (2 messages) RE: Re: Comments on MultiFinder (2 messages) ** MORE NEWS ABOUT LASERS ** (2 messages) RE: Is it DANGEROUS to program your Mac...? (4 messages) RE: MacEqn Breaks -- Help !! FOND of HyperCard CATALOGers/LIBRARIANs (3 messages) Re: Init Manager, please Amateur Radio Programs (2 messages) Re: Weirdness with DA menu! Re: Pyro/Switcher 5.1 bomb Re: Re: Init Manager, please ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: FKEYs and re-entrancy (Re: Msg 2234) Date: 13-DEC 22:14 Programming Techniques The answer only I heard for FKEYs is to set the global that prevents FKEYs from being called by the Event Manager. You could always set something in your code space... There are so many programs that save stuff in code space that Apple is going to have to tread very carefully if they want to break them all. Saving stuff in CODE space is one thing -- applications have no need to, they have A5. But how is a ROM patch like Findswell supposed to keep track of its globals? (OK, it could use space in the system heap and a cookie to find it, but I'd prefer not to use system heap. And Aztec C lets DAs have code-space globals anyway.) ------------------------------ From: DEWI Subject: RE: FKEYs and re-entrancy (Re: Msg 2240) Date: 14-DEC 05:30 Programming Techniques That's more or less what I suspected. The Event Manager global that you mention is "ScrDmpEnb", I suspect. Can't get it to work on my II, the FKEY gets called anyway. What fun! Dewi ------------------------------ From: STEVEMALLER Subject: RE: FKEYs and re-entrancy (Re: Msg 2241) Date: 17-DEC 01:17 Programming Techniques Why not try to PATCH _GetNextEvent? You could look at the next pending event each time through, and if the CMD and SHIFT keys are down, just flush that event from the queue. Sounds pretty simple to me. Why are you an FKEY? Have you looked at Lofty Becker's stuff? He has written some really exotic FKEYs... Steve Maller Apple Computer ------------------------------ From: DEWI Subject: RE: FKEYs and re-entrancy (Re: Msg 2242) Date: 17-DEC 02:24 Programming Techniques It's exotic, I suppose. I needed access to something when a modal dialog was up. A FKEY is the time honored way of doing this, as far as I can see. I'm not so sure that patching GetNextEvent isn't overkill, though. Does anybody know the real status of ScrDmpEnb these days? If it's a dying global, I'll patch. Otherwise I may just continue using the global as a semaphore. Dewi ------------------------------ From: GOODHIND Subject: Any cheap OCR's out there? Date: 15-DEC 00:31 Hardware & Peripherals I'm looking for an OCR for entering some courier into a text format file. I seem to remember something out there less than $300 that you slid the reader across yourself... anybody have any idea of somebodies box that could do this, who they are, how much they cost, how good do they work... thanx ljg ------------------------------ From: TSTEIN Subject: RE: Any cheap OCR's out there? (Re: Msg 24257) Date: 15-DEC 08:46 Hardware & Peripherals The company was Oberon. I don't know what happened to them. ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Any cheap OCR's out there? (Re: Msg 24257) Date: 15-DEC 23:15 Hardware & Peripherals TSTEIN's answer Oberon is what I couldn't think of right away. It was called OmniReader, and their ads claimed they had connections to IBM PC and Mac through the serial port. I think you can probably buy these things from companies who specialize in salvage of excess inventory. If you have enough stuff to scan that it is not worth just hiring a typist to rekey it, then I think the Oberon will be too frustrating too (but I never used one, so this is just my guess). You might consider taking your work to a service bureau that does OCR. Courier is such a popular typewriter font that it shouldn't be much of a problem getting it converted. peter ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: Mac's, PC's, Cat's, Inertial tasks, (Re: Msg 24199) Date: 15-DEC 05:10 Telecommunicating Some day I'm going to see exactly what kind of use my friend does get out of the Mac I loaned her. I'm curious, because I really showed her very little. I loaned the machine so she could write plays. I didn't think she needed to worry about pretzel-shift-1 to do that, so I never told her. (I did give her the manual.) And I've never invited her to a user group meeting. I don't think it would be a good use of her time -- nor would she have to learn how to cook in order to eat. (Jack, I defend my policy of deciding what was right for her because I have no intention of restricting her knowledge -- she can protect herself from information overload, but she might not use a computer at all if confronted with all the irrelevant choices all at once.) As I was explaining Acta to her, it really struck me how poorly Apple designed the multitasking for 1984. The fact that you only use two menus when using a DA (the DA's own, and Edit) sounded confusing to me as I explained it. Maybe I should have had Acta take over the menu bar...but that would have made life modal, I think -- you wouldn't be able to quit an application with no windows open until you closed Acta, in that case. (Question: is the machine I gave her [with just Acta, WriteNow, and MacPaint] an information appliance? [As I showed MacPaint, I told her every computer needs a game.]) I don't know that we necessarily need an Einstein, but I think much of the beauty of the early Mac was that it was designed by a very few bright people. I hate to advocate central control, but what we have now is in effect design by committee. I'll try again to find Winograd and Flores -- it was checked out, last I looked. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: re: Generating PostScript output (Re: Msg 24226) Date: 15-DEC 05:11 Network Digests > From: <DROMS%BKNLVMS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> > Subject: Generating PostScript output I believe LaserWriter v5.0 won't generate PostScript if you've got background printing selected. David Dunham "The more laws there are, the more people are Maitreya Design inclined to break them" ------------------------------ From: BWD Subject: Survey Software Date: 15-DEC 19:22 Business Mac Does anyone know of a software package for the Mac which could be used to compile survey details? Specifically, I would like to create a survey form and then send it out to various locations and have the users input their responses. They would either return the disks or send a file back over E-Mail. The responses could then be merged together and an analysis done. Becasue the survey form would change each time a survey is done, I don't want to have to have to do any (or very little) programming, but I would likely need to send out an application of some sort. For this reason, databases are likely of limited use. Any ideas or comments are welcome. I thought that it would be an easy request, but ... (maybe I haven't asked the right people... until now!) Brian .s ------------------------------ From: NWOLF Subject: RE: Survey Software (Re: Msg 24269) Date: 16-DEC 03:33 Business Mac Such a thing does exist, though I can't place it right now. Perhpas if you check in Wheels for the Mind if no one gives you an answer here. You might also consider posting to UseNet, etc., where you'd most certainly be apt to get some response. Neil. ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Re: Comments on MultiFinder (Re: Msg 24279) Date: 16-DEC 23:35 Network Digests >Date: Sun, 11 Oct 87 17:06:04 pdt >From: Larry Rosenstein <lsr@APPLE.COM> >Subject: Re: Comments on MultiFinder >Overall, I find layers convenient to use. Without them, getting at a Finde >folder might require that you move several windows around, if it happened to >be buried. WIth layers, you can simply activate the Finder and gain access >to all of its windows. By the same token, the icons for disks, closed folders, and the transhcan should be windows, so that they too can be brought to the front when the Finder's layer is activated. Using the current Finder is excrutiating because these remain buried. peter "In any context, half of all references PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global." ------------------------------ From: MADMACS Subject: RE: Re: Comments on MultiFinder (Re: Msg 24282) Date: 20-DEC 01:54 Network Digests Peter, My "trick" when going back to the finder is to close all windows that might be on showing in the layer, close them all (via command-W or whatever method you like best, ie. option-click in close, etc...), then do a select all and open. This will open the trash as a small window at the bottom of the screen and my hard disk icon up at the top. Throwing stuff way isn't a problem then. This technique assumes that there are no applications sitting in the desktop, but that is cleared up by using some application like PowerStation, Oasis, or HD Runner. The system though not perfect, works fairly well. I'd like to see a Finder option of allowing one to specify whether the icons could be brought to the "surface". Brian ------------------------------ From: MACMAG Subject: ** MORE NEWS ABOUT LASERS ** Date: 17-DEC 11:16 Business Mac CLARIS -=-=-= We've been playing around with Claris's new MacPaint 2.0. It asks you to personalize your copy (ala MORE/Illustrator/etc..), don't offer much as an upgrade (doesn't have gradual rotations at any angle, only 90 degrees rotaions) The "Take Snapshot" (similar to the Keep command in HyperCard) makes this digitized camera sound (cute). In all, there are farr better paint programs on the market. LASER NOTE ********** As a note to my previous message, I forgot to mention that anyone with a LaserWriter or a Laser Plus should sell their printers as soon as possible because come January, the Models will be discontinued and I don't think there will be a trade-in policy (certainly NO upgrade). The 128K Mac was discontinued... where are they now? P. ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: ** MORE NEWS ABOUT LASERS ** (Re: Msg 24288) Date: 17-DEC 11:47 Business Mac But there's only one problem ... what do you do for a printer while you're waiting for a snazzy new LW from Apple (which probably won't be shipping for months)? peter ------------------------------ From: DSACHS Subject: RE: Is it DANGEROUS to program your Mac...? Date: 19-DEC 00:28 Network Digests >RE:From: tedj@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Ted Johnson) >Subject: Is it DANGEROUS to program your Mac...? I doubt that you can burn out the flyback xformer, but it might be possible to damage a disk drive by misfunctioning it. I remember two instances of computers that could easily be damaged by bad programs. The origional Commodore PET had one register whose setting could cause components to burn out. The CDC 7600 Mainfram ca 1968 had core memory that was souped up to such an extent, that simply running a very short loop would cause it to overheat. ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Is it DANGEROUS to program your Mac...? Date: 19-DEC 17:55 Network Digests One of the original Data General Novas had that problem too. The instruction was JMP @0 or some such thing, which when placed in location zero, was a valid indirect reference to itself, resulting in the instruction fetch reading location zero on every possible memory cycle. Smoke reportedly ensued. peter ------------------------------ From: DSACHS Subject: RE: Is it DANGEROUS to program your Mac...? Date: 19-DEC 22:14 Network Digests On some current computers it is possible to function disk drives to seek beyond their limits, sometimes causing mechanical damage. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: Is it DANGEROUS to program your Mac...? Date: 20-DEC 03:19 Network Digests I think the "earthquake screen" happens when you write to sound chip memory by mistake. ------------------------------ From: DSACHS Subject: RE: MacEqn Breaks -- Help !! Date: 19-DEC 00:43 Network Digests >RE:From: alex@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Alex Heatley) >Subject: MacEqn Breaks -- Help !! What version of MacEqn are you using? MacEqn 2.1 was released just a short time ago. ------------------------------ From: BRECHER Subject: FOND of HyperCard Date: 19-DEC 13:44 Bugs & Features HyperCard draws its tool palette symbols and special mouse pointer symbols by using a private font that is in the HyperCard application. Unfortunately, HyperCard lacks a "FOND" resource for its font. The result is that if there any other font online which has the same font ID number as HyperCard's, then that other font will be used (possibly after scaling to a 12-point size) to draw HyperCard's symbols. The symbols will then look like letters, or just be unrecognizeable. This problem is not related directly to Suitcase, but Suitcase users are more likely to have many fonts online and thus more likely to have a font which conflicts with HyperCard's font. The solution is to provide a FOND resource for HyperCard. This can be done with ResEdit and Font/DA Mover as follows: 1. Open ResEdit. 2. Open the HyperCard application file. 3. Select (click on) the FONT resource type. 4. Choose the Open General command from the File menu. 5. Select (click on): FONT ID=31756 6. Choose Get Info from the File menu. 7. Type the name: HC Font 8. Close the Info window. 9. Choose New from the File menu; this will cause a new FONT resource to appear in the list, and the new FONT will be pre-selected. 10. Choose Get Info from the File menu. 11. Type the name: HC Font 12. Type a Tab to move the cursor to the ID field. 13. Type the number: 31744 14. Close the Info window. 15. Choose Quit from the File menu; when asked whether to save the changes, click Yes. 16. Open Font/DA Mover. 17. Click the Close button at the lower left. 18. While holding down the Option key, click the Open... button at the lower left. 19. If necessary, navigate through disks/folders to the HyperCard application. 20. Select the HyperCard application and click Open. 21. Click the Open... button at the lower right. 22. Click the New button. 23. Type the name: HC Font File 24. Click the Create button, or type the Return key 25. Click on "HC Font" in the left list. 26. Click the >> Copy >> button. 27. Click on "HC Font" in the right list. 28. Click the << Copy << button. 29. Click the Quit button. 30. The HC Font File in the HyperCard application folder, which was created during the above procedure, can be deleted. Note: this same problem -- a private application font that lacks a FOND resource -- is present in some other applications, i.e., SuperPaint and MacPaint (also, I've been told, FullPaint). The same procedure can be applied to these other applications. However, the ID numbers in steps 5 and 13 may well be different. To get the number to be used in step 13, take the number in step 5 (which is displayed by ResEdit), divide it by 128, discard the remainder or fractional part, and then multiply by 128. The names "HC Font" and "HC Font File" used above can be any names you like, as long as the names used in steps 7 and 11 are the same. ------------------------------ From: HPP Subject: CATALOGers/LIBRARIANs Date: 20-DEC 01:29 Business Mac I like to find a good HFS-multi-HDvolume/floppy cataloger. Ive tried Disk Librarian V1.82a but it dies writing its catalog and freezes my mouse.. CAT*MAC truncates file names and volume names in its TeaseWare version.. We need one. Any body know of a good one? Phil Peterson ------------------------------ From: HALL Subject: RE: CATALOGers/LIBRARIANs (Re: Msg 24356) Date: 20-DEC 14:10 Business Mac How about Disk Quick, the non-shareware succesor to Disk Librarian? Brian ------------------------------ From: NWOLF Subject: RE: CATALOGers/LIBRARIANs (Re: Msg 24356) Date: 20-DEC 17:49 Business Mac have you tried Dir-Acta-Ry? ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: Re: Init Manager, please Date: 20-DEC 03:17 Network Digests > From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) > Subject: Re: Init Manager, please I mentioned this recently, and Don Brown (the author of Aask) said that a beta had been uploaded somewhere without his permission. Aask (the INIT manager) will apparently be part of one of his packages at some future date; it is not released. If you have a copy, you probably shouldn't, and you certainly shouldn't distribute it. (Hope this info's still current -- Don's on CI$, not this net.) ------------------------------ From: FMBBS Subject: Amateur Radio Programs Date: 20-DEC 10:16 Telecommunicating I am looking for Amateur Radio Programs for the MAC. Anyone seen any good ones? including PAcket host and terminal programs-logging,etc?? Bill Taylor KD4IL Fort Mill MEBBS 803-548-0900 ------------------------------ From: NWOLF Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Programs (Re: Msg 24367) Date: 20-DEC 17:55 Telecommunicating Contact Doug Forman, sysop of MacSystem NW - 503-245-2222/649-8313 - he's either got it all or can tell you where to get it. He's also reachable as DFORMAN on (ahem) GEnie. Neil. ------------------------------ From: BRECHER Subject: Re: Weirdness with DA menu! Date: 25-DEC 16:21 Network Digests >To: PUGH@NMFECC.ARPA >Subject: Weirdness with DA menu! When Suitcase is used on a Mac II with MultiFinder, sometimes a DA name in the apple menu, or maybe even the entire menu, becomes dimmed (disabled). This is fixed by the following Fedit patch to the Suitcase file, or ResEdit patch to the INIT 128 resource in Suitcase: search for: 225F 205F 2050 change to: 6000 008C 2050 ------------------------------ From: BRECHER Subject: Re: Pyro/Switcher 5.1 bomb Date: 27-DEC 02:58 MUGS Online To: osmigo@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ron Morgan) Subject: Re: Pyro/Switcher 5.1 bomb > if the INIT "Pyro" is in the System Folder, Switcher 5.1 will bomb I assume the bombs you describe happen when you switch. If so, the following hexadecimal patches to Pyro! will fix it for compatibility with Switcher. These patches are applied with a program such as Fedit Plus or similar utility, or with a recent version of ResEdit operating on the INIT 128 resource within Pyro!. search for: 60 04 50 79 72 6F change to: 4E 71 61 00 08 78 search for: 00 00 48 E7 1F 38 change to: FF F0 48 E7 1F 38 search for: 9E FC 00 10 change to: 4E 71 4E 71 search for: 6F 00 04 A9 71 4A 1F DE FC 00 10 change to: 6E FF F0 4E B9 00 00 00 00 4A 1F search for: B0 6A 00 04 62 04 70 01 60 02 70 00 change to: 30 3C A9 71 A7 46 43 FA F9 FE 22 88 ------------------------------ From: BRECHER Subject: Re: Re: Init Manager, please Date: 27-DEC 02:58 MUGS Online To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) Subject: Re: Re: Init Manager, please > [The Aask INIT is] from those wonderful people over at CE software, and > I'll post it to comp.mac.binaries first chance I get. This is beta test software that was (directly or indirectly) illicitly posted to the BBS from which you obtained it; it is NOT public domain and is not intended to be publically distributed. This is what I, as a beta tester, was told by CE Software. ------------------------------ End of Delphi Mac Digest ************************ -------