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INFO-MAC Digest Wednesday, 1 Jun 1988 Volume 6 : Issue 54 Today's Topics: REQUEST- Statistics for the Mac Smalltalk for MAC II ??? Public domain Mac to Regis converter? Need Desk-Top Publishing S/W advice Powerful, Easy to Learn Mac Programming Environment Word Perfect for Mac Becoming a Macintosh Developer RAM serial drivers dBase III code compatable?? Systat Review Mac to NFS Connection? DA round window anyone? Font/DA Mover bug or feature? HP-IB printers & macs Megamax C 3.0 patch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 May 88 20:14:46 IST From: Ami Zakai <RPR1ZAK%TECHNION.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: REQUEST- Statistics for the Mac Hello I need a stat program that can do non-linear regression with at list 6 variables + analysis of variance and hypothesis test. Send info directly to: Dr. Ami Zakai LifeSci project, Telecommunication. Rappaport Institute for Medical Research, P.O.B. 9697, Haifa 31096 ISRAEL Phone +972-4-516265 Fax +972-4-521296 attn Zakai Email RPR1ZAK@TECHNION.BITNET RPR1ZAK@TECHNION.TECH.AC.IL RPR1ZAK%TECHNION.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 88 14:45 CDT From: JEFF SMITH <CS_JSMITH@uta.edu> Subject: Smalltalk for MAC II ??? Has anyone been using smalltalk for the MAC II? Isn't a version for MPW suppose to be out soon? I think I remember someone beta testing a version. Is APDA version out yet? We are beginning a large object oriented database project here and would like to use smalltalk. Thanks in advance. Jeff Smith UT Arlington BITNET B609CSE@UTARLG CS.NET CS_JSMITH@UTA.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 88 12:37 EDT From: David Bogartz <DSBOGARTZ%AMHERST.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Subject: Public domain Mac to Regis converter? Has anyone ever heard of or seen a public domain Mac to Regis graphics converter? (Regis is a graphics format supported by some DEC graphics terminals.) I am aware of Reggie(tm), a product of White Pine Software, but I'm looking for something cheaper. Please send responses directly to me and I will summarize. Thanks! David Bogartz dsbogartz@amherst.bitnet ------------------------------ From: rrodrigu@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA (Russ Rodriguez) Subject: Need Desk-Top Publishing S/W advice Date: 20 May 88 17:07:39 GMT Dear Net-Persons: I'm interested in obtaining a complete desk-top publishing system consisting of either a Mac II or an AT Clone, plus a laser printer. What I need from the net are recommendations and relevent info regarding Mac II Desk-Top publishing software. If there is enough of a response, I'll summarize and repost. Thanks for all of the interesting & valuable information that I've already gleaned from these newsgroups. Russell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: The opinions of Russ Rodriguez are his own and couldn't possibly reflect those of his employer: Teknowledge, Inc., of Palo Alto, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ internet: rrodrigu@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa usenet: {uunet|sun|ucbvax|decwrl|uw-beaver}!rrodrigu%teknowledge-vaxc.arpa USnail: Teknowledge Inc, 1850 Embarcadero Rd, POB 10119, Palo Alto, CA 94303 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 1988 10:13:27 PDT From: "Anthony E. Siegman" <siegman@sierra> Subject: Powerful, Easy to Learn Mac Programming Environment This is one of those messages that will get me laughed at by ``real programmers'', but what the hell . . . There's continuing discussion of the best programming environment for developing Macintosh applications, with MPW seeming to be most widely favored, for obvious reasons. What I want to point out here are the substantial, and largely unrecognized, advantages in terms of --power --simplicity --and especially, speed of learning of using Microsoft BASIC (!) as a programming environment for developing _real_ (though maybe not too complex) and genuinely ``Mac-ish'' applications for the the Macintosh. To start with, or those of you who haven't looked at a modern BASIC lately, MS BASIC has --no line numbers --unlimited length variable names and labels (at no cost in speed) --all the standard structured programming constructs --interpreter or compiler from the same source --subprograms with _local_ variables and parameter lists (in and out) --pretty nice built-in editor --easy screen graphics and so on. You still have to be careful about variable types, and remember that all variables are global in the main program, but your program design can be as structured as you want to it to be (and a _lot_ easier to read than any other language). But beyond that, all of the following Macintosh interface capabilities are directly and _easily_ available from within basic BASIC: --Windows (4 types, 4 levels) --Menus (full capabilities) --Mouse (full capabilities) --Buttons (all types) --Edit fields --SFGetFile (use for opening or saving) --Large fraction of QuickDraw capabilities --Numerous ROM routines --Clipboard access, in and out, text or pictures --Event driven programming (using trapping or polling), for Timer, Mouse, Menu, or Dialog events. In brief, you can make a BASIC program that looks every bit as Mac-ish as you like -- and compile it immediately into a free-standing clickable application. Beyond this, once you learn a little about resources and REdit or ResEdit, through a set of very easy to use and readable ``ToolLib'' library calls which come with BASIC, you can very simply create, access and use a large set of Mac resources and Toolbox capabilities, including Arrays Clipping Alerts Modal Dialogs Graphics Icons Menus Mouse Patterns Pictures Points Polygons Regions Resource Files Srolling Strings Text Windows In each of these cases, the Toollib calls look very much like the Toolbox calls in ``Inside Macintosh'', but all of the initialization and clean up hassles are largely avoided. And again, when you're all done you can have a self-contained clickable application, with its own resources, icon, ``About'' box, and so on. The canonical statement from ``real Mac programmers'' seems to be something like , ``I spent 9 months reading all 5 volumes of Inside Macintosh, and struggling with MPW, and finally I got the picture and could start doing things.'' My experience with a class I'm teaching right now is that interested undergrads with ``high-school BASIC'' backgrounds can produce simple but real Mac applications within a few _weeks_ of starting on the Mac. I'm not saying that I or anyone else would want to write a multi-featured paint program or text editor in MS BASIC. But if you're a scientist, or teacher, or engineer, or an amateur prgrammer in any field, who has other responsibilities in life besides Mac programming; and if you'd like to write a real Mac application with a real Macintosh interface for your class or your job or your personal use, doing it in MS BASIC is the _only_ sensible choice I'm aware of. You can spend months with MPW -- or weeks with BASIC. Finally, just note that it's our experience -- don't want to push this claim too hard -- that a compiled BASIC number crunching program (a big simplex program, for example, or an FFT) runs every bit as fast as the same program in any of the standard Pascals. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 88 11:42:37 -0900 Reply-to: <JXPJC%ALASKA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Sender: <JXPJC%ALASKA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> From: Paul Coffin From: <JXPJC%ALASKA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Word Perfect for Mac Dear Mac Users, Our University is considering a large purchase of Word Perfect for the VAX and Macintoshes. I would like to know if anyone has had any experience with any or both of those two products (especially the Mac version.) Is it good, is it fair...does it work ??? Any comments would be most appreciated. (If you have had expierience with transfering Word Perfect files from the Mac to PC and/or VAX I would like to hear about it too.) Please reply to JXPJC@ALASKA.BITNET and I will post a summary to this list. Thank You !! Paul Coffin University of Alaska Southeast. JXPJC@ALASKA.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 88 20:46:15 EDT From: Atul Butte <ST602397%BROWNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Becoming a Macintosh Developer I just read that becoming an Official Macintosh Developer is free. If so, how do I become one? _______________________________________________________________________ Atul Butte Brown University /-------\ /---------\ . ! OK ! ! CANCEL ! . \-------/ \---------/ ST602397%BROWNVM.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 88 00:16:03 cdt From: russo@chaos.utexas.edu (Tom Russo) Subject: RAM serial drivers I'm trying to learn how to use the serial drivers on the Mac, and I can't get them to work. This is what I do (all is in Lightspeed C): Insert the SERD resources into a resource file. Do an OpenResFile on same. Do a RAMSDOpen on sPortB. The last call never returns noErr, and of course no FSReads or FSWrites ever work after that. What am I leaving out? This seems to be all Inside Mac is telling me to do. --tvr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 88 20:30:34 CST From: "Larry Pickett, INFOREP" From: <C4898%UMSLVMA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: dBase III code compatable?? I would term this a worst case series of events. I just bought a Mac SE and am looking to have it pay for itself. First possible project is to expand and enhance a system already running and written in dBase III+. Either I beg time on a ms-dos (pardon the obsenity) machine or find a package that will run on the Mac and product dBase III+ compatable source code. Any suggestions? I've read ads for McMax(?) and FoxBase any comments on these filling my need? No chance of converting these folks too much investiment in the other culture. Acknowledge-To: <C4898@UMSLVMA> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 88 10:21:36 EDT From: achille%nrl-css.arpa@nrl-css.arpa (Lisa Achille) Subject: Systat Review I am looking for critical reviews of the Systat software for use in the analysis of human factors performance or behavioral data. If anyone is aware of any such articles or has personal experience with Systat or any other package that might be preferable, please email your comments to me directly. You can use achille@nrl-css.arpa or ...!uunet!nrl-css!achille . Thank you. Lisa Achille (202) 767-0491 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 88 16:29:27 PDT From: grow#jerry%e.mfenet@NMFECC.ARPA Subject: Mac to NFS Connection? We are looking for some way to connect a Mac to Sun NFS ethernet network. We've heard that there is a software package called Mac-NFS that will do this. Any info would be greatly appreciated. --Jerry Grow grow%mfe.mfenet@nmfecc.arpa grow%mfe.mfenet@lbl.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 88 12:20:56 EDT From: Pedro de Rezende <rezende@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu> Subject: DA round window anyone? How do I get a DA to have a circular window? Some things that I found out (correct me if needed): The WDEF resource must have an ID like -16000 to be an owned resource (for DA ID=12). The corresponding WIND resource must have WindProcID equal to 16*(-16000)+varCode where varCode determines title bar, grow box and the like. Note, however, that this makes the WindProcID number invalid (unacceptable to ResEdit). If the WDEF is not an owned resource, the Font/DA Mover doesn't install it! I will appreciate replies directly to me. If I get this to work, you can count on seeing a round DA posted to this very net. Pedro de Rezende rezende@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 88 12:23:21 EDT From: Pedro de Rezende <rezende@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu> Subject: Font/DA Mover bug or feature? Create a file with CREATOR 'FMOV' and TYPE '????', then double click on it to get into the Font/DA Mover. Click OK to the error message. Note that you are neither in Font mode nor in Desk Accessory mode. Then, without clicking in the DA button, option-open a file containing DAs. You will get the IDs of the DAs displayed over the last 2 characters of the DAs' names. Feature or bug? Pedro de Rezende rezende@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 May 88 17:48:41 EDT From: tom coradeschi <tcora@ARDEC.ARPA> Subject: HP-IB printers & macs I've recently acquired an HP 7475A pen plotter, as a surplus item, and want to be able to use it with a macintosh. The problem is: it is configured with an HP-IB port, which is Hewlett-Packard's version of the IEEE-488 bus. Does anyone know of a way to drive an IEEE-488 device with a mac? The printer and modem ports are both RS422/232, so that seems totally incompatible to me! There's a device called the grappler, which allows you to drive centronics interfaces with the mac's printer ports. Is the centronics interface IEEE-488? Is there any similarity between the two (ie, centronics & IEEE-488)? Is there a device similar to the grappler which would work in this application? This isn't a totally crucial device, as far as our macintosh environment is concerned, it's just that we picked it up for free, and it would be real nice to use it, if possible. Thanks well in advance for any advice anyone may be able to provide. tom c "MS-DOS. Just say NO!!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 88 07:56:56 cdt From: russo@chaos.utexas.edu (Tom Russo) Subject: Megamax C 3.0 patch The version of Megamax C I have will not run on newer (i.e. since intro of Mac Plus. I'm a bit of a stick-in-the-mud) versions of the operating system. When I first found this someone told me to patch the executables and libraries by replacing all occurances of one word to another. I did that on the compiler, linker,editor and syslib, but on no other utility programs. Now I need convert, and have forgotten the patch. Does anybody know what sequence I am supposed to replace with which? I've quite frankly had it up to here (he points to a location several inches above his head) with Megamax, and am planning to move to Lightspeed any minute. In fact, that's why I want convert -- I don't want to retype every toolbox function name in my old programs when I switch to lightspeed. --tvr ------------------------------ End of INFO-MAC Digest **********************