Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (Jon Pugh and Lance Nakata) (10/31/88)
INFO-MAC Digest Monday, 31 Oct 1988 Volume 6 : Issue 99 Today's Topics: Hypercard 1.2.1 bug! Hyercard layers Re: MPW Shell tools under Finder? Re: MPW Shell tools under Finder? Software for Model Railroad Layout PS/2 Simms MacSnoop 1.4.4 redistribution warning Adobe f/Architecture Opening archives A/UX Symantec Think LS Pascal 2.0 & din-din cable Using Z88 with Mac Query: Automatically Resetting Mac Parameters Montage Slide Recorder HELP: interfacing KIP/CAP to Kinetics FastPath 4. Macbeeps Musicworks Midi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Oct 88 17:07:00 PDT From: PUGH@NMFECC.ARPA Subject: Hypercard 1.2.1 bug! I was wondering if other people can corroborate this bug I have found in Hypercard 1.2.1. Here are the steps and conditions you need to recreate the bug. Run MultiFinder (I'm using a 5 Meg Mac II with 1000K for Hypercard). Start with a fresh Home stack (although any will do). Create a button with the script: on mouseUp open "scumbag" with "MacWrite" end mouseUp Click the button. It will ask where the file is. Make sure that there is NO FILE named scumbag. Select some other file (we are assuming it's a legitimate typo, like an extra space). Now it should ask where MacWrite is. Tell it the truth this time. MacWrite will open with the file you selected. Quit MacWrite. Repeat. Check the name of the card via Card Info... Have fun watching the screwed up screen updating as you select things. It doesn't appear to happen if you have to select the application too. It only seems to occur when it has already looked in that directory and you tell it to use a different name than what was in the script. Let me know what success or failure you might have with this. I have already reported it to Hyperbug@Apple.com. Jon N L pugh@nmfecc.arpa M A L National Magnetic Fusion Energy Computer Center F T N Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory E L PO Box 5509 L-561 C Livermore, California 94550 C (415) 423-4239 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 88 09:11 EDT From: "Maj. Doug Hardie" <Hardie@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> Subject: Hyercard layers I have a stack that is extremely complex. I am trying to find out what is on each of the various layers. For example, the text that appears to be in a field needs to be modified, but I can't find it. When I select the field, the text is on some other layer. Also, examination of the scripts show there are a significant number of hidden buttons that only appear in specific situations. How do you find out exactly what is on each layer for a given card? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 88 15:04:45 MET From: Norbert Lindenberg - U Karlsruhe <norbert@ira.uka.de> Subject: Re: MPW Shell tools under Finder? you can run any MPW Shell tool under Finder, but you probably won't find the interface very attractive. To try it, change the file type of your tool to APPL and the creator to some random nonsense (under MPW: Setfile -t APPL -c '?$%&' yourTool), reboot without MultiFinder, then open your tool/application. Don't expect to see a window; any console input and output will be drawn into the window manager port. Judging from the documentation, you may open a window yourself and hand it to the I/O library by calling ioctl(0, TIOSPORT, yourWindowPtr), but I have not tried this. Don't expect to get command line parameters; even if you selected some documents along with the tool before opening it, argv will contain your tool's name only. So your tool would have to look like: extern long StandAlone; /* see MPW Assembler reference, appendix I */ int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { if (StandAlone) { AskUserForArguments(); } else { ParseArguments(argc, argv); }; DoTask(); } Definitely not recommended. But maybe I can help you: I'm currently developping a MacApp building block which allows to integrate tools written for a tty-style environment into a MacApp application. All console I/O of the tool is rerouted to a standard MacApp text editor window, much the way MPW shell does it (except for the 32K limit the use of TextEdit imposes). If you already use MacApp or are willing to start using it, I can send you my building block so you can test it (anyone else interested?). -- Norbert Norbert Lindenberg Internet: norbert@ira.uka.de AppleLink: GER.XSE0010 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: MPW Shell tools under Finder? Date: Mon, 17 Oct 88 16:59:34 -0700 From: Jerry Sweet <jsweet@ICS.UCI.EDU> > Does anyone out there know how to write an MPW Shell tool to run > under the Finder? (I am using MPW C 2.02 on a Mac II). You don't have to do anything special in writing the program; the difference has primarily to do with the file type, which may be set at link time with the Link -t option or by using the SetFile -t option. If the file type is 'MPST', it is run as a shell tool under MPW. If the file type is 'APPL', it is run as an application. Example: setfile -t APPL mytool Note that it might not work if the bundle bit is set (setfile -a B <file>), but you probably only want to set the bundle bit if you're writing a "real" application that makes direct calls to the Macintosh OS. Also note that the glass TTY window that the application puts up uses the background color only until it scrolls, whereupon it scrolls to white (i.e. it's ugly). -jns ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 88 20:41 EDT From: Gegel@DOCKMASTER.ARPA Subject: Software for Model Railroad Layout I am looking for some software that is designed for laying out model railroads, or could be easily used for that purpose. I tried using MacDraw, but once I defined all of the shapes of the track pieces, I found that I could not manipulate them in enough ways to make them usefull. The software needs to be able to handle curved sections of track in many different radii, strait pieces in many lengths, switches, and other miscellaneous types of track. Ideally it should be able to handle any scale of railroad, but if it will handle N scale, I will be satisfied. Please send responses to me, and I will assemble the useful ones to be posted on the net. My E-Mail address is: Gegel@DOCKMASTER.ARPA Thanks in advance, Larry Gegel Gegel@DOCKMASTER.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: Mon 17 Oct 1988 00:53 CDT From: Samir Kaleem <XSAK%ECNCDC.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> Subject: PS/2 Simms Hello everyone, I have heard that the PS/2 Simms can be used on the Mac. If this is true, can someone tell me which PS/2 model Simms these are? I was told by someone that all the different models of PS/2 use different Simms. This guy told me that he can get me the PS/2 Simms at a low price if I knew which Simms work on the Mac. I asked about the PS/2 Model 60 Simms, but he said that the only IBM Simms available are 512K and 2 meg Simms. Not 1 meg Simms. Is it possible to use 2 meg simms on the Mac+? What's the scoop folks? By the by, does it matter what speed the Simms are for the Mac? I mean will 100 or 80 nanosecs Simms work just as well as the 120 ns Simms? Thanx much in advance... -- Samir "Cyborg" Kaleem xsak@ecncdc.bitnet "figure out your own path" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 88 02:17:03 EDT From: jspear@afit-ab.arpa (Jon L. Spear) Subject: MacSnoop 1.4.4 redistribution warning MacSnoop 1.4.4 Demo Redistribution Warning I recently discovered what makes MacSnoop 1.4.4 a demo. You can only use it for a few weeks before the demo version will stop working. This should be adequate time for you to evaluate the program and decide if you want to pay the shareware fee to get the real thing. Note that this appears to be implemented such that the program modifies itself to record usage dates and whether the time limit has expired. If you try to run the expired program, it beeps at you. If you run it a second time, it beeps twice. I'm reluctant to try a third time. While the author is obviously free to protect his software as he sees fit, this creates potential problems for user groups or other shareware and public domain repositories that might redistribute this program. You don't know how long the program can sit in your archives before it is no longer useful to distribute. It appears that the time limit starts the first time the program is run. The MacSnoop 1.4.4 file as originally distributed appears to be good until at least 10/17/89 IF IT HASN'T YET BEEN RUN. If you archive a copy of MacSnoop, be sure it is one that has never been executed, or future users may be disappointed. -Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 88 06:30:34 CDT From: <UOIOMJK%UICVMC.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Adobe f/Architecture From: _Michael J Kovacs UOIOMJK@UICVMC I am asking this question for a friend who doesn't have access to the net. Has anyone used Adobe Illustrator with a Mac to do architectural renderings? Is it a significant advantage for someone who is already pretty fast at setup? Is there another product out there that is better? (price is no concern, within reason) Is the Mac Plus or SE good enough or would the Mac II be necessary? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail all responses as I am not subscribed to this list. (if it is any assistance, mail sent via vmd.cso.uiuc.edu will usually reach me) Thank you. -(o) (o)- Michael J Kovacs U uoiomjk@uicvmc.bitnet \___/ AISS Operations, University of Illinois *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 88 15:05:46 MDT From: Bob Bolt <BBOLT%UALTAVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Opening archives I am having trouble with the archives at macserve@pucc. I downloaded some files and attempted to BinHex them, but got a No Checksum Error on "Download-Application." This has happened with files downloaded from Rice. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me with this problem. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 88 15:50:12 ADT From: Glen Jordan <jordan%unbmvs1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> Sender: <JORDAN%UNB.CA@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> /SU Please Post Anyone have any experience with Ethernet-based networking of a SUN Workstation (4/110) and Macs (SE, or Pluses)? What I'd like the network to do is, I think, simple enough. I'll have an Apple Laser- Writer attached to the SUN and three to four MAc SEs directly connected to Ethernet via Kinetics EtherSCs (or something comparable). I'd like the Macs to have access to SUN mass storage and the LaserWriter, in as transparent a fashion as possible. Further I'd like to be able to emulate Tektronix 4100 series terminals using the Macs. What software options do I have? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Glen Jordan Faculty of Forestry University of New Brunswick ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 88 14:59:00 EDT From: "NRL::KO" <ko%nrl.decnet@nrl.arpa> Subject: A/UX While booting up A/UX, I encounter two problem: the first reports on a few bad disk records, and the second reports on a cpu stack frame error, which turns out to be fatal. Then the system hangs, and the only thing I can seem to do to get any response is unplug the system. I tried using the disk tester in the system utilities but it reports on some error about not being able to read the disk. So I am not aware of whether the problem with A/Ux is the bad disk or there is something seriously wrong with the cpu itself. Need help. By the way the regular Mac partition works fine. J. Ko NRL (PPD) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 88 13:48:30 EDT From: David Ascher <ST501649%BROWNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Symantec Think LS Pascal 2.0 & din-din cable Hello. I have two questions for the net: 1. I recently bought an apple 1200 baud modem for my mac II (yes, I know, 2400 baud is better, but this was cheap: $50). What I need now is a DIN-DIN cable to connect it with the Mac II (It was designed for the Mac +). Has anybody shopped around for such cables? Where should I get it? The apple dealer here sells it for $49!!! 2. I am a registered user of Symantec's Lightspeed Pascal v 1.11. I have been trying to get in touch with them about an upgrade to v 2.0, which I desperately need since I'm working on a Mac II, and I've had serious problems with version 1.11. That's fine, except that I haven't heard a word from Symantec. I called the number listed on the registration card (Massachussets). They gave me another number in Cupertino, California, since the company has changed hands since I bought LS Pascal. Now, these phone calls are starting to add up, especially considering that they have told me they would call me back with some info and that they never did. Does anyone out there know of an e-mail address where someone will actually give me some feedback?! I suspect this is a common problem, since I'm not the only user of v1.11... [Moderator's Note: I gave them my credit card # and they sent back a note promising that it would ship RSN. Sheesh! --Jon] Thanks for any info. You can e-mail me, and I will summarize. Another grudge I have: has there been a discussion of the !@#!#$ 90 day Apple warranty on the net? I think it is the single most important improvement Apple could make on the marketing side. I suspect many businesses do take the warranty into account when buying computers, and AppleCare is just too expensive! Any thoughts? David Ascher. E-mail: BITNET: ST501649@BROWNVM.BITNET OTHER : ST501649@BROWNVM.MITVMA.MIT.EDU Snail-Mail: P.O. Box 3209, Brown University, Providence RI 02912. New England Tel: (401) 863-6603 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 88 20:19:45 DNT From: Jakob Nielsen Tech Univ of Denmark From: <DATJN%NEUVM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Using Z88 with Mac xDe Z88 is a very light (2 pounds) portable computer which I am considering buying for text processing while on the road. It was discussed in the November 1988 issue of BYTE (the applications column). Do anybody have experience with interfacing this computer with a Macintosh? Sinc5i the Z88 is a very small computer, I would want to transfer all my files to the Mac whenever I get home from a trip. Also, from a user interface perspective, can a Macintosh user stand to use the Z88 text processor ??? (Of course I could wait until the portable Mac comes out, but it will probably be too expensive and not light enough). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 88 10:01:13 edt From: winner%cuavax.dnet@netcon.cua.edu Subject: Query: Automatically Resetting Mac Parameters I have a question (he began)... At The Catholic University Of America, the Computer Center has recently purchased 9 dual floppy Mac IIs for use it 3 Users' Areas (3 each). My job is to get the machines up and running in a lab style environment (using System 6.0 - upgrading to 6.0.2, MacWrite, MacDraw II, MacTerminal, and MacPaint). However, while familiar with the Mac from a user point of view, dealing with them from an administrative/management point of view is becoming something of a task. I have run into several problems/concerns that I was hoping someone out there who has blazed this trail before me could help me with. 1) Is there any way to have the operating system reconfigure the computer when it boots from our disk to match our settings? Currently it seems that if someone uses their own operating system disk with the alarm clock on or the ram cache on these settings are remembered by the computer in some sort of non- volital RAM. I need to be able to reset these to specific settings when people boot from our operating system disks so that we are working with a known quantity. The only analogy that I can think of is the CONFIG.SYS file on an IBM PC. It seems that I have to reset these settings by hand every time I boot the computer (which is FAR from convient). 2) Is there any reasonable way to protect the operating system disk from being altered? I'm uncomfortable putting diskettes in the Users' Areas which are so easy to modify, we have enough problems with people pulling the write- protect tabs from our IBM disks, the Mac disks are an open invitation to problems (we've had several already and the machines have only been available for a little over a month). 3) Any suggestions on how to get the operating system to fit on the diskettes with the applications without loosing a lot of the functionality of the Macs? I hope to expand the LocalTalk we are using for printing to either add a file server or tap it into the Ethernet available and file serve off of our VAX, but that is severals months, dollars, and arguements down the road (at least); as well as being something else I have no experience with. Any help in these problems, or in how to best run Macs in a Users' Area (lab) environment would be greatly appreciated. James C. Winner User Consultant/Programmer The Catholic University of America BITNET: WINNER@CUA.BITNET InterNet: WINNER%CUAVAX.DNET@NETCON.CUA.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 88 10:15 CDT From: DBAYOMI%ccm.UManitoba.CA@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU Subject: Montage Slide Recorder Hello, does anyone have any experience with the Montage FR1 35mm slide recorder from Presentation Technologies ? Dennis Bayomi Computer Department Faculty of Medicine University of Manitoba ------------------------------ Date: Thu 27 Oct 88 12:06:47-EDT From: FAUSETT@RADC-TOPS20.ARPA Subject: HELP: interfacing KIP/CAP to Kinetics FastPath 4. Has anyone succeeded in interfacing to a Sun 3 using CAP and a FastPath 4? I'd like to exchange netmail messages with someone who has. I've been banging my head against the wall trying to make it work and all I'm getting is a flat head. Mark Fausett (Fausett@radc-tops20.arpa) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 88 17:19:37 EDT From: toM coradeschI <tcora@ardec.arpa> Subject: Macbeeps Reply-to: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@ardec-ac4.arpa> I've installed system release 6.0.2 on my mac+, and have a question. Right now, my mac has a nice soft sort of a beep (more like a 'boop', really). But under the sound CDEV, it isn't listed. If I choose one of the sounds there (ie, clink-clank, boing, monkey, or simple beep), I won't be able to get my 'boop' back! I looked at the snd resources, and it isn't there, so where is it? I found out that choosing one of the four snds will replace it permanently, when I loaded up our 3 new SE's today, so they've already lost it, and I don't really want to. Thanks in advance. tom c "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" ARPA: tcora@ardec-ac4.arpa UUCP: ...!{uunet,rutgers}!ardec-ac4.arpa!tcora ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 88 19:54:00 EDT From: Doug Yuill <DYUILL%CARLETON.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Musicworks Midi Does anyone know where I might obtain the version of Musicworks for the Mac that provides midi output? As a result of several HD crashes I lost the HD installs for Deluxe Music Construction Set and do not want to run it from a floppy. The latest version of Musicworks available from Mac connection is 1.1. I could not confirm if ver 1.1 provided a midi output. Can anyone help? DYUILL@CARLETON.bitnet ------------------------------ End of INFO-MAC Digest **********************