Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (Lance.Nakata@sumex-aim.stanford.edu, Jon.Pugh@sumex-aim.stanford.edu, (12/16/88)
Info-Mac Digest Thu, 15 Dec 88 Volume 6 : Issue 109
Today's Topics:
Administrivia
512e disk drive problems
Fax Modems
Fax Modems for Macintosh
imagewriter 1 and windoids
Info needed: personal finance software
INITs... Using LS Pascal
InTalk IBM 3101 Settings
Kinetics FP vs. GatorBox
Mac SCSI Hard Drives: List of Printed Reviews
making the trip to menubar shorter
nVIR removal
Submission for comp-sys-mac-digest (2 msgs)
System 6.0.2 bug
System 6.0.2 bug (Trashing files...)
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1988 21:40:21 PST
From: Info-Mac-Request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu
Subject: Administrivia
Hi there. I'm Bill Lipa, and I am going to be one of the moderators of
Info-Mac. Hopefully with one more person the digests can come out a little
more regularly -- at least, that's the plan. What with the move from
Sumex-2060 to the new Sumex, we've certainly got out hands full.
Anyway, I'll be taking care of Info-Mac over the vacation. The digests will
continue to come out during the break.
Bill Lipa
Info-Mac
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 88 12:04 EST
From: <CHRIS%FANDM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Chris Iverson)
Subject: 512e disk drive problems
In an earlier INFO-MAC, Andy Braunstein writes:
> I got hold of 2 Mac 512e's. I replaced the internal floppy on one with
> a new apple 800K drive (the old one was broke). On the other, I added
> an external drive from a third party. Both machines, however, seem
> to have the same problem in using 800K disks, so I don't think this is
> a broken hardware problem. Every so often, the mac trashes the Disk.
> It usually starts by trashing the directory entries so that files/folders
> disappear, but eventually, the whole disk is unreadable. In many
> cases, the disk have been unformatable after this (I am using high
> quality Sony DS disks). I have had these problems running several
> different versions of the System (5.3, 5.4 and 6.0). Does anyone
> know of any reason why this might be happening and what to
> do about it (short of spend hundreds in a repair shop that will tell
> be I need new drives or something). BTW - this happens using many
> different applications, so I don't think it is a program bug.
I don't know about the third-party drive, but the problem you describe sounds
very similar to one that I have been dealing with on a relatively frequent
basis with the Apple 800K drive in my position as a mac repair technician.
What I have found to be at fault in nearly every case is that the upper
read/write head on the 800K drive is coming loose, and does not align correctly
with the disk. At first this causes odd symptoms, such as disappearing
files, then as the situation worsens, the drive can no longer read
double-sided disks. At its worst, the read/write head can get so loose
that it actually begins to drag the edge of its mounting harware on the
surface of the disk, wearing a groove into it.
You can check for this problem in its early stages by attempting to read
or initialize a single-sided disk in the drive. If the (800K) drive will
read/initialize single-sided disks but not double-sided disks, then chances
are excellent that your problem is the one described above.
Unfortunately, the only fix I can tell you about is to replace the drive.
Apple does not allow repair facilities to do component-level repairs on
the Mac, requiring instead a module swap (in this case the entire drive
assembly). I have contacted their tech support people concerning this
problem, and have been told that the only thing that can be done by the user
to help prevent this from happening is to use care when inserting or ejecting
disks.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, and I hope that someone with greater
knowledge on the net will prove me wrong, or suggest an alternative to drive
replacement...
DISCLAIMER: This is unofficial information from an unofficial source...
For comments or reprimands, I can be reached at the addresses below.
Chris Iverson - F&M Tech Support BITNET: CHRIS@FANDM
Franklin & Marshall College APPLELINK: A0159
P.O. Box 3003 MA BELL: (717) 291-4005
Lancaster, PA 17604
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Date: Mon 12 Dec 88 11:39:09-PDT
From: Eric J. Weiner <WEINER@intellicorp.com>
Subject: Fax Modems
I am looking for information on fax modems that are available for the
Mac. In particular I am looking for one that has the capability of
being shared amoung multiple users on an AppleTalk net. I would also
like to know what your experience tells you to be the actual disk and
memory requirements of these modems.
I would greatly appreciate it if you would respond directly to me with
any information (positive or negative) regarding the various products
that are on the market currently.
I will summarize and post to the net any responses that I receive.
Thanks.
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Eric J. Weiner Arpa: WEINER@INTELLICORP.COM
International Technical Marketing Manager Phone: 415-965-5641
IntelliCorp Inc. Fax: 415-965-5647
1975 El Camino Real West Telex: 171596 AAA COM SUVL
Mountain View, CA 94040
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 88 10:51:43 -0500 (EST)
From: John Salmento <ziggy+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fax Modems for Macintosh
I'm looking for opinions and information about FAX modems for the macintosh. I
know Apple, Abton, and STF make modems and I got their current prices, but I
need to know the following.
What is the format of received faxed documents? Are the PICT, TIFF,
bitmapped?
Is it possible to copy, cut, and paste portions of received FAX documents?
(if so our old fax machine, can be used as a cheap scanner.)
How big (Kbytes) per page are the faxed documents (sent and received)?
How much RAM memory does the FAX software take up?
How good is the print quality of FAX documents?
Is it possible for a Group 3 FAX to receive from a Group 2 FAX?
John S. Salmento
Baker Hall 128c
Carnegie Mellon University
ziggy+@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 88 17:02 EST
From: <V050FN5R%UBVMS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: imagewriter 1 and windoids
I have a friend who is trying to print from a Mac II to an Imagewriter I.
When he tries to print, the printing dialog box comes up, and the computer
acts as if the Imagewriter is printing, but it isn't. The box then goes away
as if the document had printed. Any ideas what might be wrong? Should the DIP
switch settings on the Imagewriter I be the same as they are in the II?
I was also wondering about information on programming windoids and tear-off
menus. Nothing about this is mentioned in Inside Mac v. 5.
Maurice
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Date: 13 Dec 88 17:13:00 EST
From: hamm@biovax.rutgers.edu
Subject: Info needed: personal finance software
Hi all --
I'm looking for experience and/or reviews of personal finance software
for the Mac. My needs are probably pretty vanilla: I have bills, house
payments, credit cards, bank accounts, investments, and taxes to pay.
I'd like some planning and "What If?" capabilities. I *don't* particularly
need to print my own checks on the Mac (I can still use a pen :-),
though I'd be curious to know why all the ads make such a big deal of
this: maybe I'm missing something. I certainly don't want to be
required to write checks *only* on the Mac.
The packages I have heard of so far include:
Managing Your Money
MacMoney
Dollars and Sense
Quicken
DAC-Easy Light
To date I've only seen their ads, so I have no way to compare their
features.
I'd be grateful for any input; if enough reaches me, I'll summarize to
the net.
Thanks,
Greg
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Gregory H. Hamm || Phone: (201)932-4864
Director, Molecular Biology Computing Lab ||
Waksman Institute/CABM || BITNET: hamm@biovax
P.O. Box 759, Rutgers University || Internet: hamm@biovax.rutgers.edu
Piscataway, NJ 08855 * USA ||
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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 88 01:33 CST
From: <BPB9204%TAMSTAR.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: INITs... Using LS Pascal
I'm trying to learn how to write different types of code such as appli-
cations, INITs, and FKEYs(I'm working with Lightspeed Pascal, v 1.11).
the few applications I have written for personal use have worked OK. Now I'm
giving a shot at INITs.
The INIT I'm working on now just draws to the desktop at startup. It
calls GetWMgrPort then a setPort, draws the picture using basic QD procedures
(lines, FrameOval, text), and then waits for the mouse button to be pressed
so it can exit.
But in reality, my Mac (Mac +, 1 meg, sys 3.2, find 5.3, no other inits)
starts up, displays "Welcome...", then crashes with error ID = 02. My LSP
Manual Supplement says the ID of 2 might be caused by uninitialized managers.
I did not shut off auto-initialization with {$I-}, and so LSP is supposed to
take care of the proper initializations. My init is a unit called main con-
taining the primary procedure main, and two other procedures local to proce-
dure main (got it?).
This init project was compiled with no libraries in the project(this
version bombed), and then compiled with a shortened version of MacPasLib
(this version also bombed).
Given the information here, does anyone know of a possible reason why
this bombs? Any hints, tips or comments are appreciated!
+----------------------+
| Brent Burton |
| BPB9204@TAMVENUS |
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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 88 13:35:33 CET
From: Guido Dilles <KAMBVL%BLEKUL13.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: InTalk IBM 3101 Settings
Does anybody have experience with the 3101-emulation provided with the
InTalk communication program? I'd like to see some example scripts and
especially keyboard mappings. (B.t.w. we're dialing to a 3708 controller
if that makes any difference)
Could someone send me a few samples or give me a few hints ?
Thanks.
Guido DILLES KAMBVL@BLEKUL13.BITNET
U.P.C. St.-Kamillus, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium
Acknowledge-To: <KAMBVL@BLEKUL13>
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 88 13:26:02 EST
From: Giovanni Aliberti <vanni@dspvax.mit.edu>
Subject: Kinetics FP vs. GatorBox
I recently came across some literature on the GatorBox
and ... the spec looked quite interesting.
It was about time for someone to come out with a more
"well thought" Appletalk/IP gateway.
Does anyone have a first had experience with both Gateways and
would like share their experience ??
vanni (vanni@dspvax.mit.edu)
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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 88 03:05:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Joseph Darweesh <md32+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Mac SCSI Hard Drives: List of Printed Reviews
Just in general response to all of these Hard Disk posts,
I LOVE my Rodime 140 MB HD.
1) obviously the size is awesome if the $1100 isn't intimidating.
2) the Rodime utilities provide for easy custom partitioning!
Try rodime, you'll like it.
(I haven't had a problem yet)
-Mike Darweesh
-Carnegie Mellon University
-md32+@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: 12 December 88, 17:11:57 CST
From: Robert J.Brenstein 453-5721 x 227 GA0095@siucvmb (618)
Subject: making the trip to menubar shorter
In comp.sys.mac discussion (distributed as m-usenet digest on Bitnet)
several people have lately complained about making the long way to the
menubar on large monitors. Here is the solution: hierDA init/cdev by jbx.
It converts the menu bar into a hierarchical menu which pops up when mouse
is clicked anywhere on the desktop while being in any application. No more
trips to menubar! This freebie offers also several other options of which
I use only the one displaying all cdev's as hierarchical menu from the
Control Panel item in the Apple menu. I got my copy of hierDA from Sumex,
but it's probably available in other places as well.
Disclaimer? Who cares.
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Date: Sun, 11 Dec 88 11:25 CST
From: BRK3968%TAMSIGMA.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Subject: nVIR removal
Does anyone out there know of a program (or any way) of cleaning up a program
that has been infected by nVIR type virus. Interferon will detect the virus
but will only delete the infected file.
Thanks in advance
Brian Klaas
<BRK3968@TAMSIGMA.BITNET>
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Date: 12 Dec 88 02:34:57 GMT
From: David Daemon <daemon@mcnc.org>
Subject: Submission for comp-sys-mac-digest
Path: mcnc!thorin!unc!ross
From: ross@unc.cs.unc.edu (Judy Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: C++ for the Macintosh
Keywords: C++, help locate
Message-ID: <5838@thorin.cs.unc.edu>
Date: 12 Dec 88 02:08:54 GMT
Sender: news@thorin.cs.unc.edu
Distribution: usa
Lines: 14
I hope someone can help me out. I would like to get a C++ compiler for
the Macintosh, if one exists. It doesn't have to be a finished product
though it should be relatively bug free. Does anyone know the whereabouts
of one?
Please reply to ross@cs.unc.edu
if the e-mail doesn't work, my address is: Judy Ross
c/o Comp. Sci. Dept
Sitterson Hall
UNC-Chapel Hill
N.C. 27514
919-962-1789
Thank you for your support.
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Date: 12 Dec 88 14:18:53 GMT
From: Nobody <nobody@mimsy.umd.edu>
Subject: Submission for comp-sys-mac-digest
Path: mimsy!tove.umd.edu!folta
From: folta@tove.umd.edu (Wayne Folta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Re: Info-Mac Digest V6 #108
Summary: Uni-Finder tells *me* to do Page Set-up when I use Chooser.
Message-ID: <14956@mimsy.UUCP>
Date: 12 Dec 88 14:18:52 GMT
References: <8812120248.AA15668@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Sender: nobody@mimsy.UUCP
Reply-To: folta@tove.umd.edu.UUCP (Wayne Folta)
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lines: 7
A posting in this issue stated that using Chooser to change printers
results in a message "Use Page SetUp to ..." in Multi-Finder, but not
uni-Finder. This is strange, since it always does so for me, when I
am in an application. This has been true for System 5.0 and 6.0.
Wayne Folta (folta@tove.umd.edu 128.8.128.42)
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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 88 10:00:19 pst
From: Larry Rosenstein <lsr@apple.com>
Subject: System 6.0.2 bug
In article <8812120248.AA15668@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> you write:
>
>Info-Mac Digest Sun, 11 Dec 88 Volume 6 : Issue 108
>
>Here, then, is the situation in which the bug occurred:
>
>1. A copy of Vaccine is already in the System folder (and in use).
>2. MacTerminal and Binhex reside in a folder called "Terminal"
>3. Download a copy of Vaccine.hqx from MacServe, placing the file in Terminal
>4. Run Binhex and save the resulting file as Vaccine also in folder Terminal.
>5. Drag this copy of Vaccine into the Trash and "Empty Trash".
>6. Restart machine.
>7. Now note that the copy of Vaccine originally in the System folder is no
> longer there. Neither is the copy in the Terminal folder.
I am pretty certain that the bug is in Binhex, and that the same thing
would happen on any machine with HFS, and with any file substituted for
Vaccine.
The problem is the way Binhex must create its files. It probably deletes
the output file before creating it, to ensure that the create succeeds.
Unfortunately, under HFS there is a feature called the Poor Man's Search
Path (PMSP), which was added for pre-HFS compatibility. One certain File
Manager calls, if the file is not found in the directory requested, the
file system also looks on the PMSP. By default, only the System Folder is
on the PMSP.
The result is that when Binhex deletes the target file, it really is
deleting the file in the System Folder, unless the file does in fact exist.
Dealing with the PMSP is tricky. In this case, you can even do a
GetFileInfo to see if the file exists because that uses the PMSP as well.
Create doesn't, so you can try the create, and see if you get a duplicate
file error.
The PMSP is not used, if the call specifies an explicit dirID. In MacApp,
we made sure that every File System call that could run into the PMSP had an
explicit dirID filled in, and that we used the version of the File Manager
calls that looked at the dirID.
Larry Rosenstein, Object Specialist
Apple Computer, Inc. 20525 Mariani Ave, MS 46-B Cupertino, CA 95014
AppleLink:Rosenstein1 domain:lsr@Apple.COM
UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!lsr
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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 88 11:36:49 CST
From: Scott Comer <wert@rosetta.com>
Subject: System 6.0.2 bug (Trashing files...)
david a. belsley writes:
> System 6.0.2 appears to have a bug which allows the trashing of one
> file to cause other files of the same name, but in a different folder,
> to be trashed as well. This bug may also beset previous system versions;
> I have not done any futher experimentation.
I would be willing to bet that it isn't system 6.0.2 that is trashing
files, but rather BinHex. Here is how it might be doing that:
If BinHex tries to open the file "Vaccine" using a default directory, it
will get opened from your system folder using the poor man's search path.
Then, using the same io parameter block, binhex might delete that
"existing" file. This would delete "Vaccine" from your system folder.
This is a common technique, because the easiest way to reset a file's info
(wrt Finder and other stuff) is to delete it and then recreate it. But you
have to watch out for which file is being deleted!
So, I'll bet a hamburger that this is a BinHex bug and not a system bug.
Who has the source to BinHex?
scott out
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