Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (03/30/89)
Info-Mac Digest Wed, 29 Mar 89 Volume 7 : Issue 57
Today's Topics:
A/UX... What & How Much?
Apple Employees and the Laser
Bad Gif mailing list addresses
Help with Xmodem & ARC sources for MAC ...
IBM-PC AppleShare Server
Info-Mac Digest V7 #56
MacDraw crashes printing sideways.
MS Word user interface problem with percent done indicator
Printer Alternatives for Mac
Recovering Deleted Card
SIT files from simtel20
VendaCard system
Weird MS-Word Problem
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Date: MON, 20 MAR 1989 14:57 JST
From: Ronald D. Notestine <DOUGLAS%JPNNUCBA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: A/UX... What & How Much?
I see a lot of references to A/UX, but never any information on where
it can be bought or how much it is. (Or, if it would be of any use to
a stand-alone user.)
One thing I do know is that, over here in Japan, the shops have not
seen it and do not know if it is the country yet.
Does anybody have any info? Have I missed an Info-Mac posting on this?
Will the wrath of the moderaters descend upon me? I shall tune in
tomorrow...
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 13:37:47 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Apple Employees and the Laser
>> I'm curious to learn from Apple Employees about Apple's reaction to
>>the Laser series computers. I'd also like to know what their personal
>>opinions are on the Lasers and their effect on the Apple ][ community.
>>Of course, if Apple corporate policy discourages such comment from its
>>employees I'll understand if there is no comment.
>>
>> David R. Brierley
>
>I'm confused as to what you want here. In one sentence you say "Apple's reac-
>tion" and in another you talk about "[our] personal opinions." I can't say
>anything about the former, but as for the latter, I am on the opinion that if
>something suits your needs and you like it, then buy it. This philosophy can
>apply to all of Laser, Franklin, and Apple computers.
Apple's reaction on the other hand has been to 1) sue Franklin (and win),
2) try as hard as they can to get U.S. Customs to prevent the Laser from
being imported (they managed to hold up deliveries a couple of months),
3) try to get Customs to prevent importation of Mac clones on the same
grounds (violation of copyright) - Customs is busy analyzing the Tiawanese
Mac ROMs against Apple's copyrights. As ROMs get bigger and more complex,
it's going to be more and more difficul (and time consuming) for Customs
to determine whether importers' computers comply with U.S. copyright
regulations (Customs IS reduced to doing the job because Tiawan's government
refused to honor US copyrights -- can't sue 'em in Tiawan and recover losses).
Apple has been EXCEEDINGLY public and vocal about using every legal maneuver
in the arsenal to prevent Mac cloning (even the Mac's look and feel -- BTW
a first page story in this week's InfoWorld says Apple has won the opening
round of their suit against Microsoft and HP <the issue was the scope of
Apple's earlier agreement with Microsoft>). I presume that if Apple's
lawyers could find a way to bankrupt the Laser makers and sellers they'd
do so (IBM doesn't like cloners much either). I'd expect any real attempt
to clone the IIgs would be opposed with the same vigor as the opposition to
Mac clones (the Laser //c clones are, as far as I know, a "done deal" at this
point).
Apple's lawyers are still muddling over what to do about the "Blue Mac" (an
inexpensive Mac clone that uses honest to goodness Apple Mac ROM's bought
>From an Apple VAR <Value Added Retailer> who, so far, has been able to
"grey market" Macintosh ROM chips without Apple finding out and cutting off
the supply)
Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90]
Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET
Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET]
U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP]
-+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could
(subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
According to the American Facsimile Association, more than half the calls
>From Japan to the U.S. are fax calls. FAX it to me at: 1-203-486-5246
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 89 19:58:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Joseph Darweesh <md32+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bad Gif mailing list addresses
If on of these addresses is one that you sent to me to use to send you
gif pictures, then I have bad news...
These addresses don't work for me. If you'd still like to be on the gif
mailing list then please send me an address that should work and I'll try
again. Otherwise, you won't be getting any gif pictures.
Here are the bad addresses:
unet!unet!aschool@Sun.COM
COSTELLO@amstel.llnl.gov
t33872s@puukko.hut.fi
-Mike Darweesh
-Carnegie Mellon University
-md32@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1989 17:54:53 CST
From: "EVAX::CS_LINDAHL"@utarl.arl.utexas.edu (MULTIHACKER)
Subject: Help with Xmodem & ARC sources for MAC ...
Anyone:
Can anyone help me find SOURCE CODE (preferably LightSpeed C) for
ARC (an MS-DOS packing utility) and XMODEM/YMODEM/ZMODEM? I ham writing
a standalone "idiot-proof" application on the MAC and I wish to incorporate
both of these facilities in the code ...
I have FTP access, so if they are in an archive other than INFO-MAC on
SUMEX-AIM I can download them.
Thanx,
Charlie S. Lindahl
Automation and Robotics Research Institute
University of Texas at Arlington
ARPA: B649CSL@UTARLG.ARL.UTEXAS.EDU
CSNET: CS_LINDAHL@UTA.EDU
PHONE: (817)284-6122
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 07:25:33 PST
From: buaas@trout.nosc.mil (Robert A. Buaas)
Subject: IBM-PC AppleShare Server
Can anyone provide the company name and telephone number for the
producer of the AppleShare Server software product that runs on
the IBM PC? I saw a reference in the trade news several months
ago, but parted company with the issue prematurely. Thanks in
advance.
--bob
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1989 16:58:21 PDT
From: goofy!Apple.COM!lsr@apple.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #56
In article <8903212255.AA12886@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) writes:
> Subject: Mac Interrupts
>
> I've received the following replies to my queries about interrupt codes
for
> the Mac SE. This is what you type when you hit the programmer's switch on
I have a couple of comments about these.
> SM 0 3F3C 0002 A895 (ROM independent way to do it)
> G 0
Be careful! This doesn't do an ExitToShell. It does a restart. If you
were trying to preserve some data in another application under
MultiFinder, this isn't the thing to do.
> James Li <jamesli@uwav1.acs.washington.edu>
>
> SM FA700 A9F4 (More bomb-proof than G 409B24 or SM 0 A9F4/G 0)
> PC FA700
> G
This is good only on a 1Mb Mac Plus or Mac SE. The address used here is
the start of screen memory on a 1Mb machine, but the address will vary
depending on how much RAM is in the machine. On Mac II familiy machines
the screen memory is in an entrirely different place. FInding the correct
address of the screen memory is more involved.
I don't think this variation is any less bomb proof than storing the
instruction in memory location 0. The only potential problem with storing
in location 0 is that a program would have a bug and tries to access that
memory location. Storing into that location may make the address illegal,
which could cause crashes in these buggy programs. To avoid this, you
would have to find a different place to store the instruction. (There are
a couple of scratch areas in low memory, but I don't know how they are
used by the ROM.)
Larry Rosenstein, Apple Computer, Inc.
Object Specialist
Internet: lsr@Apple.com UUCP: {nsc, sun}!apple!lsr
AppleLink: Rosenstein1
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 09:20 EDT
From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: MacDraw crashes printing sideways.
Michael Farlow recently wrote of a problem he's having with MacDraw printing
rotated text and crashing (ID=02). We have the same problem, with some
additional twists. We're running version 1.9.6, System 6.0.2 on MacPluses and
SEs, connected to a LaserWriter Plus. We *CAN* print these documents from
MacIIs or SEs (running same software) on a LaserWriterII NT! We are using
LaserWriter and LaserPrep 5.2 all around.
_New development_
I just thought I'd check... Rotated text documents do NOT crash the Mac if we
use LaserWriter and LaserPrep 4.0 with the LWPlus.
Any ideas gang?
Peter Jorgensen
Microcomputer specialist
Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346
AppleLink - U0523
BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU
tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 12:38:55 DNT
From: Jakob Nielsen Tech Univ of Denmark <DATJN%NEUVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: MS Word user interface problem with percent done indicator
Microsoft Word vers. 3.02 has a problem with its percent done indicator
when saving files containing lots of graphics: Basically its just
sits at 33 percent for a long time without changing the indicator
(even though it has plenty of disk access).
The problem is probably that the designers only consider the
amount of text in the file when calculating the percent done indicator.
For the user, however, the percent done indicator should indicate the
proportion of the total work done, and this of course includes time
to save graphics.
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 09:53 EDT
From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Printer Alternatives for Mac
Greetings,
A professor here is wondering whether the HP LaserJet with a Grappler interface
is a viable alternative to the LWSC? More generally, it'd be interesting to
see people's comments on printers they've tried and/or use with the Mac, other
than the standard ImageWriters and LaserWriters.
Peter Jorgensen
Microcomputer specialist
Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346
AppleLink - U0523
BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU
tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 11:55 EDT
From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Recovering Deleted Card
OK all you HyperSuperHackers,
Can a card be recovered if it has been deleted, but the stack has not been
compacted? Does anyone know the file format of HC well enough to give any
suggestions? This is a card containing a button with a script that I'd rather
not have to reinvent... I know, I should have protected the card from deletion,
but who'd have thought that the clear key on the num keypad deletes the
current card?
Here's how it happened, just to warn you. I have a macro (MacroMaker) that
hides the card window (under multifinder) assigned to command-clear. The caps
lock key was down, and I hit command-clear, which deleted my card!
Thanks for your help.
Peter Jorgensen
Microcomputer specialist
Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346
AppleLink - U0523
BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU
tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 89 18:37:58 EST
From: Atul Kacker <akk2@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Subject: SIT files from simtel20
Brian Capouch reported having problems using the .SIT files obtained
>From the simtel20 archives. The first thing I would check for is to
see if the file type and creator are correct. They should be SIT!
The file attributes can be changed using a program like DeskZap or
McSink or ... Stuffit should be able to recognize the files. Good Luck.
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 09:49 EDT
From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: VendaCard system
David Wrage wonders about our experience with vendacards on LaserWriters.
Here's ours from Colgate, with a few comments of my own.
NOTE: I use the term "vendacard" generically, without specific reference to a
particular brand of card or card reader.
First of all mine own... Don't do it. I know that the idea of "cost recovery"
on Laser printers is a popular one, but if you're not doing cost recovery
across the board (mainframe pages, cpu time, i/o time, etc.) then why attempt
it in just this case? Most (even small) installations with any sort of
mainframe have one or more VERY EXPENSIVE printers attached to it, through
which reams of paper are run every day, with no attempt to recover the cost of
1) purchase 2) maintenance fees 3) or paper/ribbons. The gizmo on our main
line printer which is supposed to fold the output neatly into the bin (and
doesn't even do that consistantly) cost more than a LaserWriter. Who, exactly,
are we trying to bamboozle? End of agitated speech.
Colgate has two LaserWriter II NTs slated for connection to small Mac
networks with a vendacard on each one. I say slated, because the vendacard
dealer here can't figure out how to connect it to an NT. So, we finally put
the card reader on an old LWPlus, and put one of the LWIIs in its place in the
office. The other LWII, long since out of warrantee, still sits in the store
room waiting for a miracle, or something. (Cost recovery!)
Until recently, our one public LW was connected, as is common, to ONE dedicated
Mac. When I learned that nearby Hamilton College attaches several Macs to one
LW (with vendacard) and hasn't experienced a riot or fist-fight, I sprang into
action. Now, all (10) of our Macs in our main user room are connected to the
one LWII NT which still has the vendacard. So far there has been only
rejoicing on the part of the users (students). To them, it is much more of a
hassle waiting for a dedicated Mac to print from than losing an occassional
15cents by leaving their card in while someone else starts to print.
So, my advice is: If you MUST use a vendacard, don't use a single dedicated Mac
for the LW, but put it on the localtalk network where it belongs... your users
will love you for it. And don't worry about one user printing on another
user's card, unless you also worry about whether they keep their doors locked,
and their car keys in the ignition!
Good Luck.
Peter Jorgensen
Microcomputer specialist
Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346
AppleLink - U0523
BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU
tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742
Disclaimer - These are definitely my own opinions, no one else here has any.
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 15:48:55 EST
From: Greg Brail <ST601396%BROWNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Weird MS-Word Problem
Last week, I posted a message about a situation in which certain MS-Word
files stored on an AppleShare server were being made into empty files.
I had never seen anything like it, so I posted to Info-Mac in the hopes
that someone would have seen a similar problem and would be able to
explain what is going on.
Since then, more strange things have disappeared from our network. It
seems someone has been deleting things from the fileserver. With regards
to the Word file, someone opened some files, deleted everything, and
saved them again. This network, by the way, is at the student newspaper
at Brown University. It is not one of the networks managed by Brown.
Since then, we have tightened security on the network and have
restricted access to the building. Unfortunately, there are people
here who would love to make life difficult for us.
Sorry to go public about a problem that wasn't really a computer problem.
The folks at Microsoft and some here at Brown have assured me that
Word doesn't do anything like that.
While I'm on the subject, does anyone know about a way to get a list
of who logged into an AppleShare server and when? Features like this,
which I believe can be implemented on "real computers," would be
useful now that AppleShare is being used by more and more organizations.
Sorry about the scare, and thanks for listening. At least I didn't
say it was a virus. :-)
-Greg
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Greg Brail ST601396@brownvm.brown.edu
(401)521-9599 ST601396@brownvm.BITNET
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