Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (05/19/89)
Info-Mac Digest Thu, 18 May 89 Volume 7 : Issue 91
Today's Topics:
6.02 Difficulties
68020 Upgrade Boards for Plus
A MS Word 4.0 bug
Bugs in Rebound
DesignerDraw 3.1
diff for Mac
DSP boards for the Mac II
Ethernet with Gatorbox and fastpath
How to run a program from another program
HPDJ Driver/Deskjet+ Problem
Info-Mac Digest V7 #90 (2 msgs)
MacMETH, Alex, Coco
Mac network.. HELP!
MacWrite woes
PopUpMenu 2.0b
Postscript to Imagewriter LQ
Suitcase II crashes...
Summary: rebuilding the Desktop file
SuperClock!3.2
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 09:22:49 EDT
From: rmourant@lynx.northeastern.edu
Subject: 6.02 Difficulties
I have a program that runs fine under 6.02 on the SE but not on
the Mac II. The problem appears to be with desk accessories.
Has anyone had problems running applications under 6.02 on the
Mac II? The program ran fine on the Mac II under system 4.X.
Thanks for your help with the above problem.
rmourant@lynx.northeastern.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 00:46 EDT
From: JEFF WASILKO--PRESIDENT PRINTER'S DEVILS LOCAL 49 <JJW7384%RITVAX.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: 68020 Upgrade Boards for Plus
Does anyone have any recomendations for 68020/68030 upgrade boards for the Mac
Plus?
After seeing Apple's preliminary release info for System 7.0, it looks like
the new processors will be playing a serious role in future growth.
I'd really like to avoid dumping my Mac Plus (that used to be a 512ke).
Thanks,
Jeff
+----------------------+------------------------+-----------------------------+
| RIT VAX/VMS Systems: | Jeff Wasilko | RIT Ultrix Systems: |
|BITNET: jjw7384@ritvax|Rochester Inst. of Tech.| UUCP: jjw7384@ultb.UUCP |
| or try: +------------------------+-----------------------------+
|UUCP: {psuvax1, mcvax}!ritvax.bitnet!JJW7384 |'claimer:Nobody ever cares |
|INTERNET: jjw7384%ritvax.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu| what I say. I guess |
| jjw7384%ritvax.bitnet@cornell.cit.cornell.edu| I don't need one. |
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 10:24:45 +0200
From: Sigurd Meldal <sigurd@eik.ii.uib.no>
Subject: A MS Word 4.0 bug
The problem:
Word will occasionally forget to justify lines after deletions. Assume
you have a paragraph consisting of a number of lines. After deleting
the last word(s) of one of the lines, word will often not move the
first words of the next line up to the tail of the previous one even
though there may be space for them, resulting in an unsightly
unevenness of the right margin. This may happen both with and without
right justification on.
The workaround:
Toggling "Show paragraph marks" (command-Y), makes Word justify
lines correctly again.
Sigurd Meldal
Hard mail:
Department of Informatics | Arpa:sigurd@eik.ii.uib.no
Thormohlens gate 55 | meldal@anna.stanford.edu
N - 5006 Bergen | Uucp: ...decwrl!glacier!shasta!anna!meldal
Norway |
phone: +47 5 54 41 53
fax: +47 5 54 41 99
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 16:59 EST
From: Bruce <LEBAN@cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Bugs in Rebound
The Rebound init recently posted is a nice improvement over the SFScrollInit
except for one detail: it's buggy. With certain applications, the text
entry box in the Save As dialog disappears! This happens with MockWrite
and FullWrite, to name two. There are probably others. Collect them all.
I removed it from my system folder without bothering to. If anyone knows
how to access the author, please pass it along. Thanks.
--- Bruce Leban Leban@cs.umass.edu.csnet Leban@umass.bitnet
Disclaimer: This line intentionally left blank.
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Date: 17 May 89 15:33 EDT
From: FAC1893%UOFT01.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: DesignerDraw 3.1
Here is version 3.1 of DesignerDraw, which was downloaded
>From CompuServe. This file contains the $45 shareware
application, three examples, and a User's Guide.
[Archived as /info-mac/app/designer-draw-31.hqx; 132K]
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 14:26 EDT
From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen - Micro Specialist)
Subject: diff for Mac
>Subject: diff utility?
>
>Does anyone know of a diff utility for the Mac? This would be a program
>that can tell if two files are the same, and, if not, will give you
>list of hex or ascii differences.
>
>This is something that belongs on every desk top, or so I think.
>
>Martin Ewing
>mse@deimos.caltech.edu
You want Compare. I think I got it from the archives, but it doesn't seem to
be listed under that name in the apps or util directories. It doesn't have an
about box, so I can't really tell where it's from anymore. I'm quite sure it's
in the archives somewhere... anyone?
Peter Jorgensen
Microcomputer specialist
Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346
AppleLink - U0523
BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU
tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1989 14:12:27 PDT
From: William Lipa <lipa@polya.stanford.edu>
Subject: DSP boards for the Mac II
Is anyone aware of any digital signal processing boards for the Mac II or Mac
IIcx? I need to do 512-point Fourier transforms in under 10 milliseconds.
Bill Lipa
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 8:46:13 EDT
From: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Ethernet with Gatorbox and fastpath
>I am interested in connecting a network with 40+ Macs using Farallon's
>Star Controller to ethernet running TCP/IP. If anyone out there has
>used or is using Kinetics Fast Path or Gatorbox I would like to know
>how those products perform in large network environments. Also if
>anyone has alternate suggestions to connecting to Ethernet through
>appletalk I would like to know what they are. Please forward any
>responses to my address below. Thanks in advance...
>
To the best of my knowledge, they both work very well. To get a more complete
answer, mail to <info-appletalk@andrew.cmu.edu>, which is an Internet list
devoted to just such topics.
>
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>+ Geoffrey Scott +
>+ Michigan State University +
>+ Bitnet: 21530GRS @ MSU +
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Acknowledge-To: <21530GRS@MSU>
>
tom c
ARPA: tcora@pica.army.mil -or- tcora@ardec.arpa
UUCP: ...!{uunet,rutgers}!pica.army.mil!tcora BITNET: Tcora@DACTH01.BITNET
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 05:48 EDT
From: alan ruttenberg <alan@ems.media.mit.edu>
Subject: How to run a program from another program
Is it possible in multifinder or finder to execute some other program
>From within an application?, returning control to the original when the
second has quit? What about passing a start file, for instance starting
an editor as if clicking on one of it's documents.
-alan
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 13:48:52 PDT
From: anderson@duke.stanford.edu (Greg Anderson)
Subject: HPDJ Driver/Deskjet+ Problem
Has anyone tried the recently-posted HP Deskjet driver with the new
HP Deskjet Plus? We've had no luck at all using this driver with
a 1 Meg Mac Plus or a Mac II. Any advice as to cabling, settings etc.
would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Greg Anderson
Stanford University
anderson@oasis.stanford.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 09:28 EDT
From: The key to mental stability is a one to one relationship with your sports
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #90
RE: Server bombs.
Is anyone familiar with the following AppleShare/MacWrite5.0 bug?
After the shutdown message occurs and anyone accesses MacWrite spell check,
the Mac locks up on exit of the spell check. We're running Mac plus's with
sys 6.0.2 and AppleShare V2.0.1. We also have the same problem that Alecia
(sorry about the spelling) has when a MacPaint doc is saved to the server,
it can't be saved again since MacPaint reports it to be locked.
any clues,tips, hints or insights greatly appreciated.
- Alex Zavatone
Library Mac Software Chief
Southeastern Mass U.
ACSAZ@SEMASSU <-- yup, that's me
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Date: 18 May 89 14:25:34 GMT
From: blob@apple.com (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #90
In article <8905180127.AA07119@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
AEIC0456%VAX1.CENTRE.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu (George
Munroe) writes:
> Last October's Mac User (UK) had an article about CD-ROM which mentioned
> Apple's Learning Disc which they gave away to everyone who attended a
> CD-ROM conference in Seattle. The article says that on this sampler there
> is a stack created by 2 doctors at the Stanford University of Medicine...
> Does anyone have more details of this stack, know how to contact the
> authors, or perhaps know of another possible source of such diagrams.
> Any response would be greatly appreciated.
The doctors were Robert A. Chase, MD and Steven J. Freedman, MD. They are
associated with the Advanced Media Research Group, Division of Human
Anatomy, Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, California
94305. Telephone is 415/723-2404.
>From the credits, it appears that they scanned in images (with permission,
I expect) from "The Stereo Atlas of Human Anatomy" by Bassett and Gruber.
Additional anatomical drawings were done by Rebbecca Schwartz. (that's
the spelling given.)
The CD in question was given out at the 3rd Microsoft CD-ROM conference.
No more are available, and the legal setup for the disc prohibits pressing
any more.
--Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com "My opinion, not Apple's"
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 08:40:35 EDT
From: Guenther Blaschek <K331671%AEARN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: MacMETH, Alex, Coco
In reply to a query from EPP@cs.umass.edu:
* MacMETH vs. ETH Modula:
ETH Modula is an implementation of the original 4-pass Modula-2 compiler.
It is rather slow and clumsy to use. As far as I know, it is not distributed
officially (at least not commercially). MacMETH is an implementation of the
now widespread single pass compiler. It is reasonably fast, but its user
interface is not very mac-like (requires typing file names, ...).
If you're looking for yet another Modula-2 compiler, I can recommend
MetCom Modula-2 (available through APDA). This compiler is very similar to
MacMETH, but it adheres to the Macintosh standards. Besides, the MetCom
system is more integrated. For example, you can start the compiler while
in the editor.
* Alex and Coco:
Both products were written by Peter Moessenboeck, a former colleague of mine.
Now, both programs are maintained by Heinz Dobler, who is currently working
on a further enhancement. He is also responsible for distributing the many
different versions of Coco and Alex (among them versions for IBM PC, Atari,
Apollo and IBM mainframes; there are Modula-2 and Pascal versions available).
Heinz is the one whom you should contact for further information. He can be
reached in the following ways:
BITNET: K331673@AEARN
Mail: Universitaet Linz
Institut fuer Informatik (Software)
Altenbergerstr. 69
A-4040 Linz
Austria
Tel.: +43 (732) 2468 Ext. 396
Alex and Coco are semi-commercial products. This means that they are (nearly)
free for students and university staff. However, for commercial use, you
will need an official license (which is of course much more expensive).
BTW: Coco, its ideas and its implementation are described in detail
(including a complete source listing) in the book
"A Compiler Generator for Microcomputers"
by P. Rechenberg and H. Moessenboeck
Prentice Hall, 1989
For all those who wonder what I'm talking about: Coco and Alex are compiler-
writing tools, comparable to Yacc and Lex in the Unix world. Both are simpler
to use and easyier to understand than their Unix counterparts. These tools
have already proven invaluable in some of our projects.
Hope this helps
e Guenther Blaschek
gu EMail: <K331671@AEARN>
SNail: University of Linz / Austria
Institute of Computer Science / Software
Altenbergerstr. 69
A-4040 Linz
Tel.: +43 (732) 2468 / 447
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 10:39 AST
From: RWILSON%HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Mac network.. HELP!
We are looking for a "Dr. Ruth" of micro networks to advise us on
some networking difficulties. Any takers?
The following is an outline of: The Mac lab at Saint Mary's, some
ethernet data relating to Macs and PCs, questions regarding
throughput, speculation on topology.
The L162 Mac Lab at Saint Mary's University has 25 Mac Pluses, 5
Imagewriter IIs (4 on Max Buffers), 1 Laserwriter NT, and an
Abaton scanner. In the office there is a Mac SE for the
administrator and a Mac SE with two hard drives for the server.
This makes 33 nodes on an Appletalk segment. The server runs Mac
Janet software.
This lab works well (seldom crashes) in a random access situation
even with all work stations in use! The problem occurs when an
instructor takes a class through a lecture with all of the work
stations loading software simultaneously. The time to load 18 of
20 work stations (the limit of our MacDraft licence) with
MacDraft is 3min 15sec (no other activity only loading).
Sometimes the network bogs down and it can take 10 minutes or
more to get everyone loaded when the students are causing other
traffic. Adding more memory to the server does not improve
performance significantly (5sec which is close to the timing
error). Using an SE/30 cuts the time only slightly to 2 min 59
seconds.
Ethernet:
transmission speed 10 mbps
throughput c4 mbps
Localtalk:
transmission speed .23 mbps (230.8 kbps)
Hard drive transfer rates are in kBps (kilo bytes per
second). Throughput to and from a hard drive depends on the
software and the physical location of the information. In the IBM
PC world fast hard drives (13 ms track to track seek) and
controllers (1:1 interleave) will show 509 kBps (which translates
to 4 mbps). This is the same as the throughput on Ethernet.
We would like to know: What is the data transfer rate on
Macintosh hard drives? What is the maximum throughput to a Mac
through Ethernet (for particular boards or boxes)? One source
says 2 mbps for Kenetics card. Does processor speed affect
throughput? Does Localtalk/Ethertalk software affect throughput?
By using the figures from the table of minimums and maximums
we have made some approximations. One 10 mbps ethernet would have
the same transfer rate as forty three 230 kbps Localtalk lines.
The throughput on Ethernet is far less than transmission speed.
Short (few node) Localtalk segments may have a throughput close
to the transmission speed. In these cases 20 Localtalk segments
with a throughput of .2 mbps may be supported by a single
Ethernet line from a server (baring any other bottle necks).
___________
| | |
|----| server |
| |_________|
|
| _________ _____ _____ _____
| | | | | | | | |
|----| bridge |====| Mac |=====| Mac |=====| Mac |
| |_________| |_____| |_____| |_____|
|
| _________ _____ _____ _____
| | | | | | | | |
|----| bridge |====| Mac |=====| Mac |=====| Mac |
| |_________| |_____| |_____| |_____|
|
|--- (ETHERNET) ===== (Appletalk)
We are considering two methods to implement the network
shown above. The cheaper solution using Novell and an AT bridge
has been ruled out for lack of software protection and
administration software for educational environments. The other
method is to use an Ethernet card in the Mac SE server and
Fastpath bridges to the localtalk segments. Buffering of the file
transfers from ethernet to the slower Localtalk should be
handled on the Kenetics bridge.
We would appreciate any information on performance of
classroom labs. Please respond to our bitnet addresses directly.
We will post a symmary of the information received to the net.
R. Wilson and Joy Aberback, bitnet:RWILSON@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
Micro-coordinators JABERBACK@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
Computing Services
Saint Mary's University
<<<Insert clever line (with graphics) here>>>
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 13:09 EDT
From: Josh Smith <JBS92@campus.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: MacWrite woes
We had a recent nVIR attack here at Swarthmore, which typically increased
MacWrite 4.5's filesize from 69k to 73k... Are you totally sure you don't have
a virus? I don't know how extensively you've checked, but it might be
worthwhile to try more than once (if you haven't already). If you have tried
multiple checkers, then the only thing I can really suggest is going in with
ResEdit and trying to see what exactly is different between your originals and
the larger versions--but not being a fully certified MacHacker (grin), I have
no clue what you would be looking for or what you would want to do with it once
you found it... The safest thing is probably to replace the larger versions
with the originals, and see if it happens again--if it does, it may well be a
virus.
-Josh
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 12:36:58 EDT
From: Andrew Gilmartin <ANDREW%BROWNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: PopUpMenu 2.0b
PopUpMenu 2.0b
Every since I wrote PopUpMenu, some eighteen months ago, I have been
asked for several fixes and additions. I have resisted up until now for
I have seen better pop-up-menu externals come over the nets, but in each
case their author's are asking for money. Since the initial idea was
mine and Jack Mello's I felt it was time to place an updated version
onto the nets.
This HyperCard external function presents the user with a pop-up-menu
>From which she would then select an item. If no item is selected NULL
is returned to your HyperTalk script. Otherwise, the ordinal number of
the item selected is returned.
PopUpMenu is called with one or two arguments. The first argument is
the menu. This menu is a series of menu items. Each item is separated
by either a comma, semi-colon, carriage-return, line-feed, or tab.
Each item's characters will be added to the menu with AppendMenu; Thus,
any of the AppendMenu meta-characters can be used (except for the
hierarchical menu meta-character--I am generally opposed to hierarchical
menus). There is nolonger a limit on the size of the menu (menu
items, however, can not be greater than 255 characters long).
The second argument is the number of an item to be checked. If this
argument is missing then no item will be checked.
Please note that it is no longer necessary to include positioning
coordinates for the pop-up-menu. These now default to the current mouse
position. To maintain compatibility with PopUpMenu 1.x the horizontal
and vertical coordinates can still be given but they will be ignored.
Usage example.
on mouseDown
get PopUpMenu( "Color,Mono,Psychedelic", 3 )
if it is empty then
answer "Nothing was selected."
else
answer item it of "Color,Mono,Psychedelic" && "was selected."
end if
end mouseDown
PopUpMenu 2.0b consists of a help stack containing the external
function, LightSpeed C source code, and LightSpeed C project.
PopUpMenu 2.0b is *not* in the public domain. My terms for commercial
use are simply acknowledgment and a full working copy of the finished
stack for our Computing Resource Center (a kind of reference library for
computing here at Brown). Please write for further information or to
report bugs.
Good luck with your stacks!
-- Andrew Gilmartin
Computing & Information Services
Brown University
Providence, RI 02912
(401) 863-7305
ANDREW@BROWNVM (bitnet)
andrew@brownvm.brown.edu (internet)
[Archived as /info-mac/hypercard/xfcn-popupmenu-20b.hqx; 36K]
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Date: 89-05-18 17:53:37 MEZ
From: TU80070@DHHUNI4.BITNET
Subject: Postscript to Imagewriter LQ
Some documentations in the net have Postscript format and
are supposed for being printed on a Laserwriter. This and
the fact that many of the newer applications have no, or no
full support of a standard printer could be bypassed with a
sort of Postscript interpreter program.
This application would be fed with a Postscript textfile and
print it on a standard Imagewriter LQ with a suitable resolution.
This would be the same what the Laserwriter's Postscript driver
does with the difference of doing it in the Mac's main memory
and with the Mac's main processor.
Does anyone know if all this can be done or, even better, was
already done ? If such a programs exists, where can it be found ?
K. Schnathmeier
TU Hamburg-Harburg
W. Germany
<TU80070@DHHUNI4.BITNET>
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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 06:38:34 EDT
From: Stephen_Sayer@ub.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Suitcase II crashes...
When I first upgraded from Suitcase to Suitcase II, I was unable to boot.
By process of elimination I found that there was a conflict between
Suitcase II and Shield INIT (versions 1.2.2 and 1.0 respectively). All I had to
do to fix it was change the order in which they loaded by imbedding a space in
the name of the Suitcase II init (use an option-space to do that). They both
laoded fine after that. Perhaps getting Suitcase II to load earlier could solve
your problems as well...
.
Incidentally, I run Macsbug routinely since I run a beta copy of Nova Link BBS
software and have had few problems except with a few applications that don't
get along with it.
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Date: 18 May 89 17:30:06 +0000 (Thu)
From: munnari!utscsd.oz.au!gregw@uunet.uu.net (-a8000033-g.webb-cen-200-)
Subject: Summary: rebuilding the Desktop file
Thanks to everyone that responded to my request for help with rebuilding the
Desktop file without losing the Get Info comments.
The suggestion most people came up with was to use Disk Express. It has a
'Desktop Optimize' option to clean up the Desktop file.
The other worthwhile suggestion, was from Anton Rang, who offered me a copy of
his 'Fix Desktop' utility. Fix Desktop does three things: deletes surplus file
comments, deletes surplus bundles, and fixes bad application lists. I have
tried this and it works just fine. Fix Desktop is in the public domain and
will be posted shortly. Thanks Anton.
Greg Webb
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Bitnet : gregw%utscsd.oz.au%munnari.oz@cunyvm.bitnet Greg Webb
JANET : munnari!utscsd.oz.au!gregw@uk.ac.ukc Computing Services Div
ARPA : gregw%utscsd.oz.au@uunet.uu.net University of Technology
ACSnet : gregw@utscsd.oz PO Box 123 (15-73 Broadway)
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Date: Wed, 17 May 89 23:27:12 pdt
From: burke%pepvax.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: SuperClock!3.2
Here is an update to SuperClock!3.1. I found version 3.2 on a
local board and I am just passing it along to others.
[Archived as /info-mac/cdev/superclock-32.hqx; 20K]
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