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Info-Mac Digest Wed, 14 Jun 89 Volume 7 : Issue 103 Today's Topics: 3270 access for networked Macs astronomy software: note my real address is FS300050@YUSOL Bridge games Cheap 800k drives. Converting text files to MacWrite DAmenuz .9976 BUG! Folders XFCN hypertalk question IBM Mouse Balls IBM Printer Info-Mac Digest V7 #100 Internal Drives for the Plus IPT's Personal Server Network (distributed peer-to-peer AppleShare) Library Stack for XMCD, XFCN, ICON, snd + associate resources. Looking for the program ISETL MacinTalk Stack + Global Storage Facility for XCMD's Modifed LaserPrep Need XMODEM, or YMODEM, or ZMODEM source numeric keypads Proposed XCode registry service. Pub Domain OPS5 QuickBASIC, Anyone? Request Simon XCMD Miscellany Stack Your Info-Mac Moderators are Lance Nakata, Jon Pugh, and Bill Lipa. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed 07 Jun 1989 16:12 CDT From: Fred Seaton - WIU 309/298-1681 <MUCM000%ECNCDC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: 3270 access for networked Macs >Does anyone out there have any information on black boxes which might sit out >on an ethernet and "serve" 3270 terminal communications over the network to >distributed Macintoshes? We'd like to avoid having 9 Mac workstations each >have to have their own coax pulled from a controller to the workstation and >its associated MacIRMA/MacMainFrame board, by having a multiport >connection from the Ethernet to the controller and having the Macs access >the Ethernetted multiport device. I think such things exist for pcs on an >Ethernet; how about for Macs? > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Ted TriData Systems of Sunnyvale, CA, makes a box called the Netway 1000AE that attached directly to LocalTalk (I'm not sure If they make an Ethernet version or not) and host up to 16 sessions to the mainframe. They have software for Macs and PCs on Localtalk. The box lists for about $4000, so that comes out to about $250 per Mac (and the more macs you have on your net, the more you an spread the cost). When I saw them at the Mac Connectivity Conference, they were offering to let people try it out for 30 days. Give them a call. 800-TRI-DATA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 89 12:03 EDT From: MCCALL%QUASAR@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: astronomy software: note my real address is FS300050@YUSOL Recently, there was a request on Info-Mac for information about astronomy software. I made a similar request some time ago, so I thought it was time I conveyed what I have learned. First, I have been using "Voyager: The Desktop Planetarium" with a Mac SE/30, both for fun and for educational demonstrations (with an nView Viewframe II+2). Voyager is an outstanding piece of software. Besides enabling one to look at the sky at any time from any place in the solar system at any speed, it is possible to examine the orbital motions of all the planets and one extra body of choice (the orbit can be programmed). >From the standpoint of a university educator, Voyager is revolutionary. A wide variety of astronomical concepts can now be ANIMATED in the classroom. Furthermore, the program is so well designed that the keyboard isn't even necessary. It is possible to execute classroom demonstrations under mouse control only, so the keyboard need not be carried to class. More comprehensive reviews of Voyager have appeared in Sky and Telescope and MacWorld. At the price of $100, you can't go wrong. Buy it from Carina Software, 830 Williams St., San Leandro, CA 94577, 415-352-7328. Second, Professor Larry Staunton at Drake University has developed several astronomical demonstrations in Basic. After some frustration with Fortran, he chose Basic because of its speed, graphics capabilities, and accessibility to students. The user interface is simple and the animation effective. Demonstrations include Kepler's Laws, retrograde motion, and two and three body orbits. His software may be used as a template for developing further demonstrations (I plan to develop one to demonstrate parallax and proper motion). A brief description of his work appears in Wheels of the Mind, Vol. 4, No. 2, 1988. For more information, contact Larry Staunton, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa 50311, 515-271-3033, Bitnet LS7301R@DRAKE. That's the limit of what I know now. Presently, I am looking into using VideoWorks II and Wingz for further development of animated demonstrations. Any more information about astronomical software or software which might be applicable for developing astronomical demonstrations is always appreciated. My address is Marshall McCall, Department of Physics, York University, 4700 Keele Street, North York, Ontario M3J1P3, Canada, 416-736-2100x3773, Bitnet FS300050@YUSOL. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 89 08:05:56 CET From: "Willem N. Ellis" <A429WILL%HASARA11.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Bridge games Hello MacWorld A friend of mine, who does not have access to the net, asked me to inform about the availability of bridge games for the Mac (SE), preferably following the ACOL bidding system. He possesses Artworks 5.0, but this seems to be very unsatisfactory. Please answer directly, as I don't wish to clog the mail with this sort of stuff. If I get interesting replies I'll send a summary. Many thanks! Willem Ellis a429will@hasara11.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed 07 Jun 1989 16:28 CDT From: Fred Seaton - WIU 309/298-1681 <MUCM000%ECNCDC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Cheap 800k drives. Has anyone has any experiece with those cheap 800k drives on the market from Cutting Edge? I see most the mailorder places are selling them for $175. We're putting in a lab of 10 Mac Plus' ( :-(, I wish there were SEs or SE/30s!) and we're planning on purchasing 10 of these for student use. Any known problems? incompatibilities? failures? etc. Thanks in advance, Fred Seaton Academic Computing Western Illinois University Macomb, IL 61455 MUCM000@ECNCDC.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 89 15:00:51 EDT From: David Rubin <RUBIN@graf.poly.edu> Subject: Converting text files to MacWrite First off, I am not a Mac user so please excuse any unfamiliarity. A user is trying to upload a text file to his Mac from a UNIX machine using Kermit. He then wishes to edit the file using MacWrite. We are able to upload the file using Red Ryder without a problem. We then open the file under MacWrite, and it supposedly will convert it to the proper format. This sort of works, but we get a lot of extra characters after each line (they show up on MacWrite as boxes). When we open the file, MacWrite asks if a new-line should be treated as a paragraph or line break. Whichever one we choose, we still get those boxes. I assume these "boxes" are strange control characters or something. I would like to know if there is a better way to get an uploaded text file converted to MacWrite format (or possibly some other popular word processor). Please respond only via E-Mail, since I am not a member of this discussion list. Thanks in advance for any help... David Rubin | INTERNET: RUBIN@graf.poly.edu Polytechnic University | BITNET: RUBIN@POLYGRAF Brooklyn, NY | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 89 11:06 CDT From: <BMC4841%TAMVENUS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: DAmenuz .9976 BUG! There seems to be a problem with DAmenuz v.9976. When trying to run MAC Tools v7.2 a dialog box appears saying something about the a minimum configuration updater being used for system update.... RESTART! Well, I've been using system 6.02 for months now with HierDAs v.9967 and had no problems at all. Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 89 15:33:58 EDT From: "Darryl E. Marsee" <demarsee@suvm.acs.syr.edu> Subject: Folders XFCN Does anyone know of a HyperCard XFCN that will return the name of a folder given it's alphabetical sequence number in the directory of it's parental folder? For example, if I have a disk called 123 on which there is a folder A that contains folders B, D, and E, I would like the following results: FOLDERNAME("123:A",1) = "B" FOLDERNAME("123:A",2) = "D" FOLDERNAME("123:A",3) = "E" FOLDERNAME("123:A",anythingelse) = "" Many Thanks & Regards, Darryl Marsee Syracuse University ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 89 12:02:29 CST From: Steve Middlebrook <C94882SM%WUVMD.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: hypertalk question Inside a script, how can I tell if the menubar is shown or hidden? GET VISIBLE OF MENUBAR dies a big death. My several reference books are silent on this. stm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 89 16:23 EST From: REWING%TRINCC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: IBM Mouse Balls I thogt all of you might get a kick out of this memo, which was forwarded to me today. Sub: Big Blue Mouse Balls!!! FILE: MOUSE BALLS AO (IGL191) 05/05/89 06:28:03 PAGE 1 ESD PRODUCT SERVICE SUPPORT SUBJECT:NEW RETAIN TIP Hi, The following was forwarded to me by a friend who used to work at Big Blue and was given this by a Big Blue friend who found it in the IBM service manual. This was actually put into the manual as a serious bulletin! Enjoy it!!! Record number: H031944 Device:D/T8550 Model: M Hlt count: UHCOOOOO Success count: USCOOOOO Publlcation code: PC50 Tip key: 025 Date created: 089/02/14 Date last altered: A89/02/15 Owning B.U.: USA Abstract: MOUSE BALLS NOW AVAILABLE AS FRU (Field Replacable Unit) TEXT: MOUSE BALLS ARE NOW AVAILABLE AS A FRU. IF A MOUSE FAILS TO OPERATE,OR SHOULD PERFORM ERRATICALLY,IT MAY BE IN NEED OF BALL REPLACEMENT.BECAUSE OF THE DELICATE NATURE OF THIS PROCEDURE,REPLACEMENT OF MOUSE BALLS SHOULD BE ATTEMPTED BY TRAINED PERSONNEL ONLY. BEFORE ORDERING,DETERMINE TYPE OF MOUSE BALLS REQUIRED BY EXAMINING THE UNDERSIDE OF EACH MOUSE.DOMESTIC BALLS WILL BE LARGER AND HARDER THAN FOREIGN BALLS. BALL REMOVAL PROCEDURES DIFFER,DEPENDING UPON MANUFACTURER OF THE MOUSE. FOREIGN BALLS CAN BE REPLACED USING THE POP-OFF METHODJ AND DOMESTIC BALLS REPLACED USING THE TWIST-OFF METHOD. MOUSE BALLS ARE NOT USUALLY STATIC SENSITIVE,HOWEVER,EXCESSIVE HANDLING CAN RESULT IN SUDDEN DISCHARGE. UPON COMPLETION OF BALL REPLACEMENT,THE MOUSE MAY BE USED IMMEDIATELY. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT EACH SERVICER HAVE A PAIR OF BALLS FOR MAINTAINING OPTIMUM CUSTOMER SATISFACTION,AND THAT ANY CUSTOMER MISSING HIS BALLS SHOULD SUSPECT LOCAL PERSONNEL OF REMOVING THESE NECESSARY FUNCTIONAL ITEMS. P/N33F846Z -- DOMESTIC MOUSE BALLS P/N33F8461 -- FOREIGN MOUSE BALLS SAS KEYWORDS: PSY2 8525SYSMISC 8530SYSMISC 8550SYSMISC 8560SYSMISC 8570SYSMISC 8580SYSMISC USERID (RSSTEWART) NODEID (BCRVMl) INT.ZIP 1225, DEPT 2AW, TL 443-4597 (407-443-4597) ESD PRODUCT SERVICE SUPPORT,BOCA RATON,FL. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 89 19:10:30 EST From: Alan Stein <STEIN%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: IBM Printer I've been offered an ancient (circa 1981) IBM 5242 printer which was originally connected to an IBM System/23. It would be nice to be able to connect it to a Mac plus and dedicate it to mailing labels, but I have little information about it and don't want to spend a lot of time checking it out with no assurance of it working. Has anyone had any experience with that dinosaur? My Mac is connected to an Appletalk network (including a Laserwriter and Imagewriter II, but I hate using the Imagewriter for labels), so the 5242 would probably have to be connected through the modem port. Alan H. Stein | stein@uconnvm.bitnet Department of Mathematics | stein%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu University of Connecticut | ...psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!STEIN 32 Hillside Avenue | Waterbury, CT 06710 | Compu$erve 71545,1500 (203) 757-1231 | GEnie ah.stein ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jun 89 12:37:00 EST From: "J O GARTLEY" <gartley@aldncf.alcoa.com> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #100 Interpoll 1.0 problem with SE/30 can be fixed by upgrading to interpoll 1.0.1 ------- SuperClock 3.3, I just wanted to confirm that I have have bombs also when using this version. ------- Gartley@aldncf.alcoa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu 08 Jun 1989 11:06 CDT From: Fred Seaton - WIU 309/298-1681 <MUCM000%ECNCDC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Internal Drives for the Plus The May 9th issue of MacWeek had an article (page 3) called "Internal drives for the Plus". It says Integrated Data Sotrage Systems Inc. of San Jose CA (408-441-0500) is selling Seagate and Conner drives with the hardware necessary for mounting in the Mac Plus. Has anyone had any experiences with doing this? They're only supposed to consume 7 to 9 watts and raise the internal temp by 1 to 2 degrees. Does anyone have any experiences with this product line? The 40mb model uses a CONNER mechanism with a 5 year warantee. I'm not familiar with this drive. Any comments on it? Thanks, Fred Seaton Academic Computing Western Illinois University mucm000@ecncdc.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 89 03:16:48 -0500 From: spector@vx2.gba.nyu.edu (David HM Spector) Subject: IPT's Personal Server Network (distributed peer-to-peer AppleShare) (I wrote this to comp.sys.mac last week. So far, it is still accurate.) After some delays, I finally received the IPT software today. Its official name is "IPT Personal Server Network." I have just started to play with it. It is very very rough around the edges, but the important point is that it appears to work! Sometime next week I will post my benchmark suite, and results for AppleShare and IPT-PSN. Novell results will follow a bit later. The title of this (and my earlier) article says "this month." From the state of the software, I'd say that that's an overoptimistic estimate, but not by a whole lot. I'd guess early June. So far, there don't seem to be any conflicts with the DeskTop Manager INIT with it running on _both_ the server and the client. I don't know how it would behave in a mix-and-match environment but I expect it would be OK. Memory consumption on the server machine appears to be minimal. I've noted RAM usage increasing by 30-50K with the server active (this is quite a bit less than TOPS, for example) but I have not done extensive tests on this yet. The user interface of the administrator program is where the rough edges come in. It's quite ugly and there are a few visual anamolies. Still, I am very encouraged by their response to my bug reports, since they are generally of the form "Wow, I'm glad you found that, we'll fix it right away." For those of you who remember my article about Beta-testing, this is a company that apparently knows how to do Betas right. Have a good weekend, more will follow next week. --- Alexis Rosen temporarily at spector@vx2.gba.nyu.edu alexis@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (last resort) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 89 16:48:09 BST From: np%doc.imperial.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Subject: Library Stack for XMCD, XFCN, ICON, snd + associate resources. This stack is a library for you to keep all your XCMD, XFCN, ICON, snd and CURS resources in. You can copy resources from other stacks (or applications) into the library and paste them from the library into other stacks. XCMD, XFCN and snd's each have their own description card, ICON and CURS are stored 20 per card. All XCMD/XFCNs used by this stack are included in the library descriptions, these are ResHandle - for resource copying/renaming/deleting/listing/ICN#->ICON conversion etc., SortLines - for sorting the lines of a field and StandardFile - for StandardFile get/put dialogs. Copyright FreeWare, no commercial use without agreement. Enjoy. [Archived as /info-mac/hypercard/resource-library.hqx; 98K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 89 16:32:53 CDT From: jaf@wucs1.wustl.edu (Andy Fingerhut) Subject: Looking for the program ISETL There is a program which deals with sets, tuples, and other discrete mathematics structures called ISETL. According to a book I have seen (which describes how to use it. I don't remember the title or author), there is a Mac version which comes with source and manual, and it is freely copyable and available to all. I haven't seen it in any archives anywhere. If someone has a copy, I think that it would make a fine addition to the sumex archives. I would very much like a copy of this program. Andy Fingerhut | Look towards tomorrow, jaf@wucs1.wustl.edu | 'cause the past is gone Washington University, St. Louis MO | -- Randy Stonehill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 89 16:37:44 BST From: np%doc.imperial.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Subject: MacinTalk Stack + Global Storage Facility for XCMD's This posting contains two stacks (a) a MacinTalk stack (b) a stack containing XCMD & XPRC's which provide a global variable storage service for XCMD/XFCN's. (a) MacinTalk: This stack provides and interface to MacinTalk, a simple "Speak and Spell" example is given and a card to explore MacinTalk's phonetic system. The stack also XCMD/XFCN's to enable events to be generate for ANY key and to read/set the volume level. (b) Globals: This provides a service to other XCMD/XFCN's by allowing them to store global values between calls. The interface is via an XPRC (my restype short for eXternal PRoCedure) which is called from your XCMD/XFCN to request/access your own private global storage. This facility is used by the MacinTalk interface to save internal state between calls to the speech XCMD. There are seperate XPRC for C and Pascal and sample LSC code to show their use. Both stacks Copyright FreeWare, no commercial use with agreement. Enjoy. UK Mac'ers: This file may be obtained from the sumex shadow archive at irlearn, fileserv%irlearn@earn-relay from JANET. [Archived as /info-mac/hypercard/macintalk-stack.hqx; 47K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue 06 Jun 1989 22:51 CDT From: Fred Seaton - WIU 309/298-1681 <MUCM000%ECNCDC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Modifed LaserPrep I saw this on the appletalk discussion group. Would someone with FTP ability (I wish I were on Internet :-( ) like to get the program he mentions and post it to this list (so it can get on MACSERVE@PUCC!). thanks... Fred >Date: 6-JUN-1989 16:01:37.45 >From: Richard Silverman <RSILVERMAN@eagle.wesleyan.edu> >Subject: MODLPREP >To: AT@eagle.wesleyan.edu > >To all, > >A couple months ago, I made a modified LaserPrep file available which >implemented trailer pages for the LaserWriter, along with suggestions on how to >add other features. It turned out that most people using it were not familiar >with PostScript, and had difficulty implementing new features from the brief >descriptions I gave. Therefore, I have now prepared a single prep file with all >the enhancements people have suggested built in in a standard way. Each >individual feature can be enabled or disabled by simply editing the >"configuration section" at the end of the file to suit your needs. The feature >currently implemented are: > >* Limit the number of copies per job. > >* Print a trailer page after every job, with user and document name, > number of pages, and optionally a charge for the job. > >* Limit number of pages in a job. > >* Disallow manual feed (aborts job if manual feed is specified). > >I believe this will be much easier for people to use, and for me to maintain. >I will continue to add features to the package, as time allows. Thanks to >everyone for suggestions and bug reports. > >The files are available via anonymous FTP from ANNAS.WESLEYAN.EDU >(129.133.30.2), in the directory "modlprep". > >P.S. - I invite anyone who uses this package to e-mail me directly, so that I >can compile a list of regular users for bug reports, fixes, etc. > > Richard Silverman > >arpa: rsilverman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Computing Center >bitnet: rsilverman@wesleyan Wesleyan University >CIS: [72727,453] Middletown, CT 06457 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 89 08:18 CDT From: B609CSE%UTARLG@uta.edu Subject: Need XMODEM, or YMODEM, or ZMODEM source Does anyone know where C source (preferably LSC 3) for XMODEM, or YMODEM, or ZMODEM is? No I am not writing YACTE, just a lit'l DA to automatically upload postscript. Thanks. Jeef Smith B609CSE@UTARLG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 89 11:52 CDT From: John DeSoi <john@murph.tamu.edu> Subject: numeric keypads Does anyone know of a source for those stand-alone numeric keypads that used to be available for the Mac 128K and 512K? Or maybe a source for used Mac+ keyboards? Will a Mac+ keyboard work properly with a 128K and 512K (I assume it will work with a 512KE)? Thanks. John F. DeSoi Laboratory for Software Research Texas A&M University College Station, Texas 77843-3112 (409) 845-4306 INTERNET: desoi@cssun.tamu.edu BITNET: jfd5947@tamvenus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 89 13:19 EDT From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen - Micro Specialist) Subject: Proposed XCode registry service. Greetings: There are many, many fine XCMDs and XFCNs on various nets and developer stacks, and I compliment all of the "hackers" who have spent hours putting them together. The problem is, there seems to be noone who is taking/accepting responsiblity for the registration/assignment of names for these things. This results in two problems: 1) Several similar Xcode resources have been "published" by different authors who have choosen identical names for their work. I spent much time trying recently to get COPYFILE to work, only to discover that the syntax I was using, and being told to use, was for the COPYFILE _XFCN_ and I was using the COPYFILE _XCMD_! I also have two different DELETEFILE xcode resources, etc. 2) X-code authors are not receive their due credits because it is so easy to lose track of where a particular x-code came from. I propose, if it doesn't already exist, a central registry of x-code. I know about various depositories (sumex@aim for example) and I am NOT proposing to duplicate that function. Only the function of registering names, authors, versions, and sources for these things. I would be happy to serve as the moderator, although my BITNET only connection might be limiting (?). What I envision is a simple list of these things with the other information as deemed appropriate in a stack that would be available for downloading over the net. A "New XCode" bulletin would be issued whenever a new resource is registered. Every month or so the new resources would be incorporated into the stack. Again, This stack would not contain any code resources, just the information about them. So, whaddayasay? If it sounds good, let's do it... or has someone already? Peter Jorgensen Microcomputer specialist Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346 AppleLink - U0523 BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 89 09:17:28 EST From: jsmith@ctc.contel.com (James T. Smith) Subject: Pub Domain OPS5 Where can I find a public domain OPS5 (CMU's expert system shell) for the Mac ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 89 17:59:15 PDT From: siegman@sierra.stanford.edu (Anthony E. Siegman) Subject: QuickBASIC, Anyone? Anyone else out there using Microsoft QuickBASIC as a Mac programming environment? Are there any user groups or on-line forums that focus on QBASIC? -Tony Siegman, Stanford University -siegman@sierra.stanford.edu or rw.aap@forsythe.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 89 14:56 CDT From: APL%ccm.UManitoba.CA@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Request Since I don't have the ability to, could someone please download the file VISIONLAB10.HQX from HUBCAP.CLEMSON.EDU and place it in the Info-Mac Archives? Thanks... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 89 20:25:46 PDT From: Les_Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca Subject: Simon Here is the cdev Simon, which lets you change the standard Mac date format. Be warned that some programs may no longer sort by date correctly after changing format. This is version 1.0. [Archived as /info-mac/cdev/simon.hqx; 13K] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 89 17:00:05 BST From: np%doc.imperial.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Subject: XCMD Miscellany Stack This stack contains two XCMD's: * PopupField: Ths XCMD given a file description will draw frontmost window the same size and position as the field and containg the same text. The style of the window depends on the style of the field, all standard window types (document, alert, dialog, round corner etc.) are supported. the source field need not be visible. the window remains until a mouse click. * SetCursor: USE AT APPLES WRATH! This XCMD allows you to move the cursor around and even disconnect it from the mouse... Tested only on a Mac+ Sys 6.0.2, should work on others (its plays with undocumented low-memory globals, tut, tut!) Copyright FreeWare. No commercial use without agreement. Enjoy. [Archived as /info-mac/hypercard/xcmd-popupfield-setcursor.hqx; 11K] ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************