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Info-Mac Digest Mon, 10 Jul 89 Volume 7 : Issue 117 Today's Topics: A line-counting XCMD? A message sent yesterday Apple-approved Mac II Fan Noise Solution AppleShare server won't boot off a floppy. CAP with FastPath4&K-Star Diamond (new archieve/backup utility) How to specify suggest applications sizes HPopupMenu XFCN Update Implementing Kermit protocol Info-Mac Digest V7 #115 (2 msgs) Info-Mac Digest V7 #116 MacGENie Macros Multiple systems News on Oracle/Mac products? PROGRAMMABLE FRAME GRABBERS Request for Charting program... Reversing the video Scientific modelling software Smartalarms... Supporting MultiFinder System 6.0.2, MacTools 7.1, and Font/DA Mover problems System 7.0 speculations TTI CTS8000 tape drive Two system folders Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indicies are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1989 9:00:44 PDT From: John Sotos <sotos@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Subject: A line-counting XCMD? I hope this is an easy one: Given a Hypercard field and some text, is there an easy way to determine how many lines in the field will be required to display the text? (The vertical number of pixels would be equally suitable.) I need to know *before* the text is displayed, so I can decide whether to make the field a scrolling one or not. There is definitely a way to do this, using the toolbox routine TECalText and the nLines part of a TE (TextEdit) Record. However, the process of writing an XCMD to do this is becoming so ungainly that I am beginning to fear I have overlooked some other simple way. In particular, Hypercard, if it uses a TE record, must make this calculation itself. (The problem with the XCMD is accessing all the decriptors of a field [font,textsize,textstyle] and converting ones like font name into a font number.) I am open to suggestions both vague and specific. Thanks. John sotos@sumex-aim.stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1989 23:08:39 PDT From: John Sotos <sotos@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Subject: A message sent yesterday Yesterday i posted a message seeking a method to invert the screen. Today I found the file reversescreen.hqx in /info-mac/util. Although I was able to Binhex it into a .pit file, UnStuffit 1.5.1 did not recognize the file (that is, the file did not come up in the menu of openable files). Any suggestions? John ------------------------------ Date: Thu 6 Jul 89 12:29:28-PDT From: Brodie Lockard <I.ISIMO@hamlet.stanford.edu> Subject: Apple-approved Mac II Fan Noise Solution Could some kind soul repost the address for this again? It was somewhere in Seattle, I think. The product sensed temperature and varied the fan speed accordingly. The note with the address just fell off the end of the queue here on HAMLET.STANFORD.EDU. Thanks in advance. Brodie Lockard HAMLET.STANFORD.EDU ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 89 20:50 CDT From: "Sandro Corsi, Univ.of WI-Oshkosh" <CORSI@oshkosh.wisc.edu> Subject: AppleShare server won't boot off a floppy. I'm having a puzzling (to me at least) problem with a Mac SE running AppleShare 2.0 server software. Everything works fine otherwise, but whenever I try to boot off the Server Administration disk, the SE after brief rumination ejects the floppy and proceeds to boot off the hard disk -- jumping straight into the server application. I've tried to substitute other startup floppies -- to no avail. Apparently I've stumbled on the way to make a server 100% secure -- except I can't get in myself. I imagine the problem has an obvious solution -- but I badly need someone to point me in the right direction. Any suggestions highly appreciated. Thanks. Sandro Corsi Art Dept. Univ. of Wisconsin - Oshkosh Oshkosh, WI 54901 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jul 89 12:49:57 -0700 From: cpd@aic.hrl.hac.com Subject: CAP with FastPath4&K-Star I recently upgraded my FastPath to a FastPath4 equivalent and started running K-Star instead of KIP. I was running several CAP packages before (like papif) and now the CAP packages won't run. Any Suggestions? Anybody know where the latest version of CAP is. I am running CAP 5.0 Thanks -Charlie Dolan cpd@aic.hrl.hac.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 89 13:49:44 +0200 From: Roland Mansson <roland@dna.lth.se> Subject: Diamond (new archieve/backup utility) I've tried a new archiever. It's called Diamond (version 2.1, demo). It packs considerably better than StuffIt (se below for figures). Diamond is somewhat slower than StuffIt to pack, but it unpacks extremely fast. I've done some 20 tests with Diamond, and the unpacked packed archive has always been identical to the source (incl positions and colors of icons). It has three levels (fast, medium and compact). While the size of the archive is about the same in my tests, the time spent differs quite a lot. "Fast" is probably the best alternative. It works with MultiFinder, but not in the background. It gives some time (very little, but better than nothing) to background applications. It can pack a file, a folder, or a volume. If the destination doesn't have enough free space, it just asks for another disk(s). If you have an extra hard disk, it's convenient to backup one disk to a single file on the other. This is generally not possible in backup programs. Times are measured on a Mac II, 5MB, System 6.0.3, MultiFinder and a dozen inits. StuffIt configured to try LZW and Huffman and to not allow background tasks. Method Size Saved Time to Time to pack unpack Unpacked Application 590278 StuffIt 402079 31.88% 0.45 0.56 Diamond, fast 308579 47.72% 1.28 0.19 Diamond, medium 304446 48.42% 2.07 0.18 Diamond, compact 303931 48.51% 2.43 0.17 Unpacked Stack 349562 StuffIt 191841 45.12% 0.27 0.28 Diamond, fast 162627 53.48% 1.04 0.10 Diamond, medium 156681 55.18% 1.27 0.10 Diamond, compact 154820 55.71% 1.44 0.10 Unpacked Docs Folder 330816 StuffIt 182545 44.82% 0.45 0.36 Diamond, fast 142490 56.93% 1.09 0.12 Diamond, medium 142430 56.95% 1.35 0.12 Diamond, compact 142426 56.95% 1.48 0.12 (Application: MacWrite II, Stack: Apple's Q&A 3.1, Docs folder: ten documents (MacWrite, Word, MacPaint, MacDraw etc)). I'll try to get permission to post the demo to infomac@sumex and comp.binaries.mac. Diamond is developed by SOFT Technologies. Their address is SOFT Technologies Denis SERSA 9, rue des lilas 67640 FEGERSHEIM, France Tl. (33) 88.64.31.74 Fax. (33) 88.67.13.73 Applelink: SOFT.TECH Standard disclaimers apply. -- Roland Mansson, Lund University Computing Center, Box 783, S220 07 Lund, Sweden Phone: +46-46107436 Fax: +46-46138225 Bitnet: roland_m@seldc52 Internet: roland_m@ldc.lu.se or roland_m%ldc.lu.se@uunet.uu.net UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!sunic!ldc.lu.se!roland_m AppleLink: SW0022 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 89 09:51:56 CST From: Michael Hanrahan <C09615MH%WUVMD.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: How to specify suggest applications sizes Hello (again), I posted two questions to a previous INFO-MAC which I have answered on my own, thanks to the long holiday weekend. Nonetheless, I think others might find this information useful. 1) How do you specify the Suggested application memory value that the Finder displays when a user does a Get Info... on an application? Answer: You create a SIZE resource with an id of -1. (NOTE: The SIZE resource has been around probably as long as MultiFinder has been around, yet Inside Macintosh makes NO mention of it. Come on, Apple...) A SIZE resource consists of a word (a 16 bit Integer) and two long words (32 bits) which are used to set the actual and minimum sizes (measured in bytes). The first word value is actually used to set 6 flags which provide info about whether the application knows about MultiFinder, whether it is a background-only procedure and things like that. Specifically, bit Parameter ---------------------------------------------------- 15 Save Screen (Switcher) 14 Accept suspend events 13 Disable option (Switcher) 12 Can background 11 MultiFinder aware 10 Only background 9 Get front clicks 8-0 (reserved) The RMaker source statements that create a SIZE resource are listed below. Type SIZE = GNRL ,-1 .I ;; first component is a 16 bit integer 22528 ;; decimal representation of desired flag value .L ;; second component = actual application size 204800 ;; 204800 = 200k .L ;; third component = suggested minimum size 204800 ;; again, 200k Note that the above example sets bits 14, 12, and 11, which would be what most standard applications need. 2) How does one get MultiFinder to display a reduced size version of your application's custom icon in the upper right corner, etc.? Answer: I finally got this to work but I'm not sure if it is because I finally figured out bundles or because I set the "MultiFinder aware" bit in the Size resource. I hope someone (anyone! :-) ) finds this useful... Michael Hanrahan Educational Computing Services Washington University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 89 10:07:29 PDT From: PUGH@ccc.mfecc.llnl.gov Subject: HPopupMenu XFCN Update I fixed a couple more bugs in my Hierarchical Popup Menus XFCN. They all had to do with parsing bad parameters, so there is no functional changes. It is now more resistant to bad programming. Jon [Archived as /info-mac/hypercard/xfcn-hpopupmenu.hqx; 30K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jul 89 14:59:34 CST From: Michael Hanrahan <C09615MH%WUVMD.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Implementing Kermit protocol Hello, My department purchased CE Software's QuickMail electronic mail package for our networked Macintoshes. One of the features of the QuickMail program is the ability to create a "bridge" between the LAN hosting QuickMail and other systems. Our department is hoping to design a bridge which would allow us to access e-mail sent to our CMS accounts through our Macs. This involves having our custom bridge somehow sign on our system, download any incoming mail, upload any mail sent from our LAN to the outside world, etc. My question involves transferring the files to/from the mainframe. One of our goals is to have this bridge transfer these mail files automatically on (say) an hourly timetable. This means the solution to this problem can't involve having someone manually handle the task of downloading incoming mail from the mainframe and uploading any outgoing mail from the LAN. (THAT I could handle! :-) ) The desire to transfer mail automatically (in a background mode) poses two main problems... 1) First of all, the script procedures within QuickMail only support XMODEM. Since we have an IBM mainframe (VM/SP), XMODEM can't be used in our case. 2) I can't use the MacKermit program "as is" because: a) There's no way to run a program in a "shell" and have the calling program resume control when the "shelled" program is through. b) Even if there was a way to run Kermit in a "shell" of sorts, the current version of MacKermit doesn't have any login script capabilities. If a "shell" could be used, I'd be willing to figure out a way to add script capabilites to Kermit, but... Columbia University (the Kermit Server) has a version of Kermit for MS-DOS machines that was written in Pascal that I'm thinking of obtaining to see what the Kermit encoding/decoding routines would look like. Has anyone else ever attempted their own rudimentary communications using Kermit? If so, I'd love to hear any suggestions or words of wisdom. THANKS... Michael Hanrahan Educational Computing Services Washington University St. Louis, MO 63130 ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 89 07:39:41 GMT From: munnari!ditmela.oz.au!Hans.Eriksson@uunet.uu.net (Hans Eriksson) Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #115 I want to build a stack that acts as a user friendly interface to a unix program who have a dull line-oriented dialog. That dialog should of course be presented with the bells & whistles of a mac. Is there a stack (or something) that can do some of the terminalhandling towards the unix system? The Mac will be connected via a terminal connection (vt100). There is a VT100 stack somewhere. Can that be modified to enable my stack to capture the output from the unix system and present it to the poor user in my way. Of course, I'd want to sne dcommands back to the unix system also. /hans -- Hans Eriksson (hans@ditmela.oz.au) CSIRO/DIT, 55 Barry Street, Carlton, Victoria 3053, Australia (we are GMT+10) Tel: +61 3 347-8644 Fax: +61 3 347-8987 Home: +61 3 534-5188 On a years leave from Swedish Institute of Computer Science (hans@sics.se) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 89 17:47:43 EDT From: joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #115 I ran quickmail 1.?? and am now running 2.01 both with gatekeeper 1.11 with no problems whatsoever. Quickmail 2.0 has been available for some time.... Seymour ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 89 08:40:01 PDT From: hplabs!infmx!ape!cortesi@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (David Cortesi) Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #116 >Info-Mac Digest Thu, 6 Jul 89 Volume 7 : Issue 116 >From: postmaster@movies.mit.edu >Subject: HP DeskJet summary >3: Finally, the one remaining drawback of this printer is the fact that the >ink is water-soluable. I have pages printed on one of these machines that I >got from a demo, and the ink runs badly if the pages get wet. This is quite >unfortunate, and if anyone has any solution to this problem it would be most >welcome. I think you should talk to a graphic artist. Surely watercolorists and workers in other soluble media have solved this problem already? The phrase "charcoal fixative" drifts up from a dim memory of high-school art classes... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 89 15:45 MDT From: <JHREIHER%COLOSPGS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Don't worry, be happy :~{]) Subject: MacGENie Macros I have a question about macros for the MacGENie comm program; How in the bloody blue blazes do you get the @#&#$*~&! things to work! I've tried several combinations of settings,(I even read the manual! ;->) and still can't get my dialup and logon macro to work. What should I do? ################################################################# # # # # John H. Reiher, Jr. # "Captain, # # A.K.A. Animal # not in front of # # Bitnet: jhreiher@colospgs # the Klingons" # # Genie: J.Reiher # -- Captain Spock # # # # ################################################################# ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 89 20:25:52 EDT From: David_S._Allan@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: Multiple systems Stuart MacFarlane writes: >We'd like to be able to use either the English operating system, or the >Japanese version (Kanjitalk). This seems to mean having two system folders >on the hard disc, with >some method of telling the mac which one we are using at present. I recommend buying some kind of partitioning program (such as Alsoft's MultiDisk or Symantec Utilities) to divide your disk into separate volumes. You can then put a separate system on each partition. Switching between systems will be a matter of switch-launching to the system you want (by command-option double-clicking the finder of the desired system) and dismounting the other partition by dragging its icon to the trash (if desired). David Allan ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 89 11:28 EST From: WMLBTAM%UCCCVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: News on Oracle/Mac products? Date: 6 July 1989, 11:26:15 EST >From: WMLBTAM at UCCCVM1 To: INFO-MAC at SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU Subj: News on Oracle/Mac products? Has anybody out there seen/played with a copy of Oracle/Mac 1.1? It is supposed to have come out in June and be more useful than the "toy" which was 1.0. Anybody heard of any beta sites for a SQL*Forms package for the Mac product? Ted ****************************************************************************** Theodore A. Morris, Univ. of Cincinnati|513-558-6046 AppleLink: U1091 Med Ctr Information & Communications |Bitnet: WMLBTAM @ UCCCVM1 NTS: WB8VNV 231 Bethesda Avenue, Mail Location #574|====================================== Cincinnati, OH 45267-0574 |"Call me up and I'll talk data to ya'" ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jul 89 08:26:38 SST From: TNG TH <ISSTTH%NUSVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: PROGRAMMABLE FRAME GRABBERS Hello folks. I know lately I have been asking MANY questions. I can't help it since this is the fastest way to get info since I am Singapore. My question is whether anyone has bought any programmable frame grabber boards? TrueVision sells a couple, but they are very expensive. I need alternative 24-bit frame grabbers such as the RasterOps 324, but the advertisements did not say anything about programming the board through Think C 3.0 or some other language. Please reply directly to me at ISSTTH@NUSVM Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue 4 Jul 89 04:51:01-PST From: 323ELLIOT%ECD1.SPAN@star.stanford.edu Subject: Request for Charting program... Hi Mac-netters! I have an interesting problem: I'm responsible for designing a proposal to the European Space Agency for our organization and I need a program that will let me graphically design the work packages. Basically, it should look like a tree chart with the ability to split each box in two: one part is for the title of the work package, the other for the work package number (ideally, there should be a line drawn between the name and number). Ordinarily, MORE II would be sufficient. In fact, I want something that functions like MORE II in outline mode (so that I can drag the various packages around and reorganize them as I see fit), but numbers each box automatically (this is probably practically impossible, but it doesn't hurt to ask :-). The main drawback of MORE is that when it generates the tree chart, it won't do boxes in this format: __________ | main | |_________| | __________ |-| sub | | |__________| | __________ |-| sub | |__________| except in the bottom most level currently shown. I.e., I can't do this: __________ | main | |---------| | 1000 | |_________| | __________ | | sub | |-|----------| | | 1100 | | |__________| | | __________ | | | sub-sub | | |_|----------| | | 1110 | | |__________| | __________ | | sub | |_|----------| | 1200 | |__________| In fact, MORE isn't designed to do this kind of thing at all (only org charts, really). So if anyone knows of any program that CAN do this, I would be most grateful... While I'm on a wish list, each work package would, of course, have a full description. It would be REAL interesting if there was a page-layout-type of program that could generate the above tree chart from an outline and then use a template to let me fill in what each work package actually is. As I change an order, name, or number in the outline, it would automatically be updated in the tree chart and document wherever it is referenced. We have a piece of software that will in effect do this on our big ibm mainframe, but as you all well know, graphics and user-friendliness are not big blue's forte. So, if you have any ideas or suggestions please respond to me personally and I will summarize... Thanks in advance, Elliot Bennett DLR Cologne, West Germany Please send replies to: elliot@star.stanford.edu (or ecd1::323elliot for SPAN people) Disclaimer: building a better space program so you don't have to. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1989 14:12:28 PDT From: John Sotos <sotos@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Subject: Reversing the video Is there a robust method to change a Macintosh display from black-on-white to white-on-black? I don't know what the human factors experts say, and I don't care: eye strain invariably results (for me) after only a few hours of working with black-on-white screens. My eyeballs thank you. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 89 20:10:40 EDT From: David_S._Allan@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: Scientific modelling software Dan Henderson of Boston College was looking for a program to manipulate molecular models (building, rotations, etc.). Several people directed him to the Ball & Stick demo in the archives. This is an excellent program. The main shortcoming, in my mind, is the tedious procedure for executing rotations. Still, well worth the download, especially for color use. Another program to be considered is Molecular Editor from Kinko's Academic CourseWare Exchange. M.E. is probably good for student use, but it is limited to a Mac Plus-sized screen and monochrome graphics. Still, quite reasonably priced. No one mentioned Chem3D, by Cambridge Scientific Computing (617) 491-6862. CSC is the same company that publishes ChemDraw, a great 2-D program. This program is full-featured and pretty powerful. Its price is steep, but a substantial discount for a student license is available. I believe that the author of the program reads this digest; he may provide more information. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 89 21:47:18 EDT From: dmg@lid.mitre.org (David Gursky) Subject: Smartalarms... In Info-Mac Digest V7, #116, LIBHTK%SUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu recommended SmartAlarms as an excellent application for setting up reminders on you Mac. I agree wholeheartedly. SmartAlarms is much better than Comments, and unlike Comments, does not take up as much RAM to operate (Comments is a real memory hog if I recall). *HOWEVER*, Imagine Software is no longer licensed to distribute SmartAlarms in the United States. Do not try and buy SmartAlarms from Imagine. Imagine has recently introduced their own reminder application which looks surprisingly like SmartAlarms. JAM Software (the Australian Company that wrote SmartAlarms) has set up an American subsidiary (also called JAM Software) that you can get the real, honest to goodness, SmartAlarms from. They are very nice and technically competent. The correct address is... JAM Software P.O. Box 1345 Point Reyes Station, CA 94956 415.663.1041 JAM will want $99 for SmartAlarms if you buy it from them, but MacConnection, et. al. will have it for less. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jul 89 15:05:00 CST From: Michael Hanrahan <C09615MH%WUVMD.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Supporting MultiFinder I've written a program that as far as the basics goes, runs fine under MultiFinder (no crashes, no memory problems, etc.) However, it's missing a few of the final touches. For example, how can I specify the "Suggested memory size:" value that is shown when a user does a Get Info on the file? Also, it's been my experience that when my application is running under MultiFinder, most of the time I get the generic applicat icon in the upper right and a few times I'll get a reduced version of my application's custom icon (which is what I want). The reduced version of my custom icon is always shown in the list of active applications in the Apple menu, though. Where does the Finder want this information stored? THANKS as always... Michael Hanrahan ECS Washington University St. Louis, MO 63130 ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 89 11:00:00 EDT From: "J. SCOTT WEAVER" <fweaver@bigvax.alfred.edu> Subject: System 6.0.2, MacTools 7.1, and Font/DA Mover problems In v7-114, Craig S. Cottingham writes: >After running Font/DA Mover, the system bombs when it tries to open a window >on the desktop. I con't even get into MacTools -- it bombs on launchin. >Do I need the latest versions to run under 6.0.2? (I don't know right off >which version of Font/DA Mover I'm using.) I have had no problems under System 6.0.2 with either MacTools 7.1 or Font/DA Mover 3.8 (provided with System 6.0.2). It is safest to turn off Multifinder when using Font/DA Mover but this is not essential. J. Scott Weaver fweaver@ceramics fweaver@bigvax.alfred.edu [192.31.254.1] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 89 11:48:18 IST From: "Jonathan B. Owen" <GDAU100%BGUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: System 7.0 speculations I was very impressed reading about system 7.0 and await eagerly for it's release. I read the System 7.0 notes found in the MacArch archives (LISTSERV@RICE) and saw little mention of the improvments scheduled for the Finder. As any other Mac user, I too have my views on how to improve the finder. I have not really orginized my thought in the matter, but the following comes to mind: o I would like to see a standard Control Device for setting the port used for communication (read Modem) with all it's relative parameters, such as speed, parity, etc. Maybe even a modem setup string sent to the modem at boot. This would eliminate the need for each comm. program to have it's own implementation. o I think each application should have it's own menubar within it's window (possibly scrolling the menubar, for small windows) instead of todays menubar. o Desk Accesseries should "float" like Hypercard's tools menu. How many times did YOU have to bring back the Notepad each time you switch to anoter application? I can't count that much :) o The finder should include a tree structure view of an HFS volume. o Having a pull down menu from a window's title bar of the enclousing folders would be great (like in MacTools) for navigation (this is one step futher of double clicking in the title bar in system 6.03). o The ability of temporarly making a window into an icon ("iconization") is a good solution for working with many applications/windows/DAs at once. Any thought? JB ______________________________________________________________________________ (--) /--) /-(\ Email: gdau100@bguvm (bitnet) \ / /--K | \|/\ /\/) /|-\ Snail: 55 Hovevei Zion _/_/o /L__)_/o \/\__/ \X/ \_/ | |_/ Tel-Aviv, 63346 ISRAEL (/ Jonathan B. Owen Voice: (03) 281-422 Point of view: A chicken is the means by which an egg reproduces an egg. ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 89 09:29 EDT From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen - Micro Specialist) Subject: TTI CTS8000 tape drive Greetings, We just bought a TTI CTS8000 DAT drive to backup our VAX 780... and love it. Since it's a SCSI device, we were wondering if anyone has used one for backing up Mac hard disks? Are there any drivers for it floating around? Thanks in advance, Peter Jorgensen Microcomputer specialist Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346 AppleLink - U0523 BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 89 01:39:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Duncan Warr <aw1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Two system folders I find that the Blesser Utility works wonders when trying to change the startup system. I have a 2 meg Mac II that has the Marathon 030,33MHz chip installed. I often use the Blesser Utility to change from system 6.0.3 to a smaller system, namely v4.2. I do this when I'm trying to run large graphics programs such as Studio8 or what have you. I'm sure that the same results could be achieved for you. If you have trouble finding the Blesser Utility please let me know. I believe that it is public domain software so it should cost you nothing. However, I'll ahve to look up the archive that has a copy of it. Good Luck! Adam C. Duncan Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh Pa. 15213 aw1j@andrew.cmu.edu Please respond if you need help. Blesser is definately your answer. ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************