Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (08/03/89)
Info-Mac Digest Wed, 2 Aug 89 Volume 7 : Issue 134
Today's Topics:
Applecare
Applecare seems to be required...
Aussie bird songs
BeepShuffle bug?
Boomerang 2.0B7
Fast FTP for the Mac?
ImageWriter driver Source Files
Info-Mac Digest V7 #117
Info-Mac Digest V7 #132 (2 msgs)
Keyboard folder hopping
Lightspeed and TML Pascals
MacTCP
Object-oriented programming
Phone Number for Apple Dktop Media tape?
regarding recent postings on batteries on MACIIs
SE to ship with FDHD?!?!?!!
SF&I, mounting SCSI Drives
SunCGI -> GIF
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 13:20:19 EDT
From: Kim Dyer <3C257F7%CMUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Applecare
I had the *GREAT* misfortune of having an Apple dealer that did not
even TELL me about Applecare.
Then they ordered the wrong cable to connect SE and Imagewriter.
(You'd think they could get it right, since it was all ordered at one
time.) They then wanted to CHARGE ME AGAIN for the right cable.
This resulted in a two week arguement between me/the store/Apple.
(Apple was at least on my side on that one.)
A month out of warrenty (including the two weeks I had a paperweight
instead of a printer) - the MOTOR dies on the printer. The Apple dealer
I am currently working with has had it 5 weeks now - and it STILL doesn't
work right. It looks like I may have the loaner longer then I had the
original printer. This is NOT a machine that is getting heavy usage
either ... just a few papers and letters. (Current Apple store is
VERY nice. First one should have it's franchise pulled.)
I could have bought *3 EPSONS* for the same price!!!
Apple may not have any LEGAL obligation, since the machine was out
of warrenty. There does seem to be a moral obligation, however, since
the failure was OBVIOUSLY due to a faulty part. I'm truly peeved about
that, and the fact that I was not informed about Applecare. This is,
IMHO, equivalent to having the motor mounts drop out of your Ford at
13 months! Yeah, it's out of warrenty ... but get REAL folks.
Because of where I work, people *DO* ask my opinion as to what computer
to buy for their home. At this point, I'd have to recommend against
the Imagewriter II. I have to cool down a little though before I write
to Apple. At this point I want to plant muddy Reeboks on JS's desk
and scream until I get some satisfaction.
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 11:22:24 EDT
From: "Hugh A. Huntzinger" (CCL-S) <huntzing@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Applecare seems to be required...
One way to increase your 90-day warrenty for *FREE* is to purchase your mac
equipment on a credit card that offers a warranty extension such as the
American Express card (no endorsement intended).
Just make sure of two things:
(1) that the computer equipment is a valid warrenty item for the plastic.
{I believe that AmEx, for example, doesn't cover Automobiles}
(2) that the Apple equipment seller doesn't significantly jack up your
retail selling price because of lower profit margins from your paying with
plastic. If he does jack up the price, it may be cheaper than buying
AppleCare, so compare! (...or negociate price...)
{ads I've seen lately say "price for cash or certified check only"}
-hummer
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 89 09:58 MET
From: KRAALINGEN%RCL.WAU.NL@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Subject: Aussie bird songs
Dear Net,
Some time ago there was a posting with four digitized Aussie bird songs.
How can you play them as they aren't an executable in themself ?
Daniel van Kraalingen / / / / /
Department of Theoretical Production Ecology / / / / /
Agricultural University of Wageningen / / / / __ /
The Netherlands /____ /____/ /__/ /__/
kraalingen@hwalhw50.bitnet
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 10:11 CDT
From: Cerebus The Aardvark <DPK28402%MKVAX1@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: BeepShuffle bug?
Maybe I'm crazy to be using sys 6.03 without a hard drive, but masochism seems
to be one of my traits when it comes to the Mac (I'm using 6.03 with a 1M
Mac+ with 2 floppies). I really liked the idea of beepshuffle (When combined
with SoundMover, it provides a great way to save space over cheapbeep), but I'm
having problems. When I eject my system disk to, for instance copy files, as
soon as I replace the disk, my mac bombs. I've traced the problem to
BeepShuffle. Could this be a problem with other inits I'm using? I also
have appleshare, AlisaTerminal, hierda, MainWDEF, oliver's buttons and a
few others.
Have other people experienced this? Is it just that beepshuffle doesn't like
to lose track of the system disk?
Since the source code is provided with beepshuffle, if there's a simple patch
to fix this, i'd appreciate it.
-Dave Kormann
DPK28402%MKVAX1@MSUS1,
~oops.
"Cerebus for dictator."
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 11:30:21 PDT
From: hayp04@csa5.lbl.gov
Subject: Boomerang 2.0B7
Samuel Paik <D65Y@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU> asks why Boomerang 2.0B7 does not
work on his Mac. The reason is Boomerang 2.0B7 needs System 6.0.1 or
later. I am sorry to have missed to mention this important thing in the
manual.
2.0B7 is incompatible with Red Ryder 10.3, SuperCard, Mr. Bus Error, and
sometimes with Excell 2.2. All of these problems ARE fixed in the next
release 2.0B8, which should be available in a week.
Hiro
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 16:41:48 PDT
From: POTHIERS%TUVA.SAINET.MFENET@ccc.mfecc.llnl.gov
Subject: Fast FTP for the Mac?
Does anyone know of a FAST telnet for the Mac. We're using
NCSA Telnet 2.2. It isn't fast enough for some of the stuff we're
doing. (Getting around 8 K/sec when we aren't under multifinder, worse
otherwise)
TIA,
Steve Pothier
pothiers%tuva.sainet@nmfecc.arpa
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 89 07:08:47 PDT
From: buaas@trout.nosc.mil (Robert A. Buaas)
Subject: ImageWriter driver Source Files
Does anyone know of sources for ImageWriter printer driver sources that are
either public domain or inexpensively licensable? Better yet, is there a
version which writes its output to a disk file instead of the printer port?
Please reply directly to buaas@nosc.mil, or by phone 714/962-4010.
thanks in advance/bob
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 18:41:52 EST
From: George Bray <munnari!surf.sics.bu.oz.au!geo@uunet.uu.net>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #117
Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators):
> I want to build a stack that acts as a user friendly interface to a
> unix program who have a dull line-oriented dialog. That dialog should
> of course be presented with the bells & whistles of a mac.
There's one from Lizt in Belguim I think. It's called MacNIX. I have sent the
demo to you - the interface looks quite bad tho.
> Is there a stack (or something) that can do some of the
> terminalhandling towards the unix system? The Mac will be connected
> via a terminal connection (vt100).
There is a crowd in the US doing VT100 emulation and Xmodem file xfer
XCMDs - I'm hoping to bring it back from the MacWorld expo. I was going
to return via ditmela - is it ok to just drop in?
Alternatively I expect hypercard version 2.0 will use the stuff in the
communications toolbox - there are all sorts of goodies there - vt320
xmodem.
cheers
geo
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Date: 31 Jul 89 15:19:53 CDT (Mon)
From: decwrl!mtxinu!studsys.mu.edu!stevej@labrea.stanford.edu (jovanovic)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #132
Scott, get the MPW shell from APDA. You can write scripts of your own
to perform batch operations on files. In essence, the shell is a very
powerful command line interpreter that allows you to do anything you
could via the regular interface, but often much more quickly, and with
greater flexibility.
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 89 07:37:11 PDT
From: claris!drc@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Dennis Cohen)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #132
In comp.sys.mac.digest you write:
>Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators):
>[But MPW scripts cannot run user-compiled programs, can they? Not
> sure... Bill]
Yes, they can. Remember that MPW can launch applications and it has the
Execute command. The problem lies in picking up where you left off when
the application returns (I haven't figured out how to do that yet). I
have, however, written a number of MPW tools and scripts that get run
during the processing of other scripts.
--
Dennis Cohen
Claris Corp.
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Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed above are _MINE_!
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Date: Mon, 31-JUL-1989 08:14 MST
From: POTHIERS%TUVA.SAINET.MFENET@ccc.mfecc.llnl.gov
Subject: Keyboard folder hopping
I frequently use the keyboard for moving through folders in the standard
file selection dialog inside applications. A friend told me that a similar
method is possible under the finder, but he couldn't remember how to do
it or where he read about it. Does anyone know any way that I can use
the keyboard to select and open folders from the finder?
TIA,
Steve Pothier
pothiers%tuva.sainet@nmfecc.arpa
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Date: 31 Jul 89 14:50:26 GMT
From: claris!drc@decwrl.dec.com (Dennis Cohen)
Subject: Lightspeed and TML Pascals
<RICH%SUHEP.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Richard S. Holmes) writes:
>In the discussion recently of recommended programming languages, there's one
>thing I've missed: a head-on comparison of TML Pascal II 3.0 and Lightspeed
>Pascal 2.0. Can anyone make such a comparison? Can anyone point me to
LSP 2.01 currently has the best code generation on the Mac (smallest/fastest)
and has an excellent source level debugger (if you use such things -- I don't
as I am a dinosaur who finds his bugs more easily with TMON). The major
weaknesses of LSP are the lack of integration of other tools such as a resource
compiler/editor, a love it or hate it editor (I barely tolerate it), and
lack of support for segmentation directives inside a compilation unit (neces-
sary for things like MacApp). The major weaknesses of TML II are the code
generation, the turn-around time (though it is markedly faster than Apple's
compiler), and the amount of disk space required. Its strengths are the
rich tool set provided both by TML and as part of MPW, the extensibility and
power of the MPW environment, and being able to use it with MacApp (although
there are some problems with a couple of the MacApp example programs using
an extension to Object Pascal that neither TML or LSP supports at present).
>reviews of these products? (The latest reviews in MacUser are from 1986 and
>1987 respectively). How does Lightspeed's programming environment compare,
>both in ease of use and in useful features, to MPW? Finally, is TML still a
>viable entity? I notice they don't advertise much these days.
LSP's environment is much easier to use but is seriously lacking in the
useful features area, compared to MPW. LSP's debugger blows SADE out of the
water on ease of use and comes close on (useful) capabilities. LSP's editor
is a toy compared to the MPW editor. MPW's tools (esp. rez/derez, Projector,
and DumpObj) are unmatched by anything in the THINK package.
Conclusion: I'm very glad that I have LSP, TML II, and MPW available and
don't have to make a "one or the other" choice. Nothing's perfect.
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 10:49:33 EDT
From: mondomon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Subject: MacTCP
Hi,
Does anyone know where I could get some code examples for
MacTCP? I am writing an application that receives UDP packets from a
Vax3200. I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me something.
Thanks,
mondomon@amt.media.mit.edu
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 12:35 EDT
From: DASTIDAR@ecs.umass.edu
Subject: Object-oriented programming
Well, we've all been hearing lots about how object-oriented programming is
the wave of the future. And I believe it... the advantages are considerable.
MacApp and object pascal have been around for a while, and as of version 2.0
Lightspeed (THINK) Pascal also supports objects. Some time this spring
Apple announced that the point will come when ALL macintosh applications will
have to be written in object oriented style, and now, finally THINK announced
that the latest version of my favorite programming environment (Lightspeed
alias THINK C) will also support objects. (see MacWeek of July 25)
This is all great... I'm going to upgrade to LSC 4.0 as soon as available, and
jump with both feet onto the object bandwagon. But there's one thing that's
been buggin me. The major advantage of object oriented programming is the
high degree of modularity and code reusability. Brad Cox from PPI (Objective
C) in his book "Object Oriented Programming" predicts the "Software IC", the
packaged plug-and-play module to become the major atomic programming unit. It
makes sense. Soooooo.... why, although MacApp fits this model and has been
around for years, haven't we seen libraries of public domain and commercial
objects springing up all over the place? There are a bunch of commercial and
shareware apps that have been written using MacApp, but still there is not
so much as a single source code object in the Info-Mac archives.
I'd like to hear from some developers out there who have been using object
methodology in their development efforts. Share your experiences with the
net! Also, with the immensly popular LSC going object, lets organize a
concerted effort to build a public domain object (or class, or whatever you
want to call it) library. According to MacWeek LSC will ship with a class
library for most standard Mac interface stuff, but without a doubt people
will quickly start specializing and extending this stuff, developing classes
for more esoteric mac functions and more specific application tasks. And
classes for development tools. Etc. Lets share some of this stuff. We'll
all benefit...
An aside... there is a really slick new object-oriented extension to C in
the archives now, called "Objects-in-C". It follows the LISP model of
object oriented programming, and is elegant and powerful. The official
THINK implementation of objects is supposed to be a subset of C++, and
probably a lot less flexible than this shareware product, but since its
going to be a de-facto standart simply through the massive installed base
of LSC, I'm going to use the official THINK style of objects for my de-
velopment efforts. But Objects-in-C is so nice that I think it would
be a shame to let it just fade into the background before it even had
a chance. Maybe the author can comment?
- Jurgen E Botz
University of Massachusetts
P.S.: please send all replies and comments to the net, as I'm currently using
a borrowed account. If you must send me private mail, put something
like "Mail for Jurgen" into the subject line. Thanx.
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Date: Tue, 1 AUG 89 08:02:15 PDT
From: "Micro Mauler" <MICRO2.SCHWER@crvax.sri.com>
Subject: Phone Number for Apple Dktop Media tape?
I would like the 800 number for ordering the Apple Desktop Media
video tape. The one they sent me goes to `snow' in the middle of
the `Arco' portion. --Len Schwer Micro2.Schwer@crvax.sri.com
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 89 09:02:31 -0500
From: willcox@urbana.mcd.mot.com (David A Willcox)
Subject: regarding recent postings on batteries on MACIIs
I can vouch for the fact that changing the battery on a MacII is not
a major operation. It cost me about $14 for the batteries, plus my
dealers minimum labor charge. If that is the only repair I ever have,
I'll consider myself very lucky.
What miffed me more than just a bit was:
1) The "7-year" battery died when the machine was about 5 months old.
2) There is nothing in the documentation anywhere, at least that I've
found, that mentions the fact that the battery is used to power
the "on" button on the MacII. I would expect to see a big warning
somewhere to the effect of "WARNING: Be careful not to set
anything on the power-on button if your MacII is disconnected from
the power. This could drain the battery."
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 89 14:03:36 EDT
From: dmg@lid.mitre.org (David Gursky)
Subject: SE to ship with FDHD?!?!?!!
The following message appeared on the Twilight Clone here in DC:
Msg #: 7762
From: JEFFREY SIEGEL Sent: 08-01-89 08:14
To: ALL Rcvd: 08-01-89 13:05
Re: APPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS...
Today, Apple announced a $300 reduction in the price of the Mac SE.
Along with this they announced that all future SE's will come bundled
with the FDHD drive instead of the (older?) 800K drives.
It's strange that Apple would do this now, just a week and a half before
MacWorld. My assumption is that they are looking to reposition pricing
before the announcements that they say are coming by Sept. 30th. In any
regard, the FDHD drive will be a nice addition, especially if you're in
a mixed Apple/PC environment.
dg -- There is also an underlying implication that Apple has modified the SE's
motherboard. Although I find it unlikely (switching disk controller chips
should be easy), I wonder if anything else under the hood is different.
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 89 03:43 CDT
From: Richard <Tilley%ccm.UManitoba.CA@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: SF&I, mounting SCSI Drives
> tries to boot from ID-1 since it has the higher SCSI priority;
Try using FEDIT to zero out the first 2 sectors of the external drive.
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 14:48:28 edt
From: Rocky_Olive@dgc.mceo.dg.com
Subject: SunCGI -> GIF
CEO comments:
I have access to some SunCGI format image files and I want to convert
them to a GIF format for display on both my Mac IIcx and a 286 dos
machine with a GIF display program. Does anyone know of a program to
do translate/convert these SunCGI files into GIF format?
CEO file contents:
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|Rockford L. Olive *** __ ***
|Data General Corp "Ever wonder who came up * * \_\ *
|Technology Drive with the idea of putting * * *
|Apex, NC 27502 those little red things * * *
|919/362-4800x5392 in there?" * * *
|919/362-4914 home *** ***
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