Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (08/05/89)
Info-Mac Digest Fri, 4 Aug 89 Volume 7 : Issue 136
Today's Topics:
Administrivia
Applecare is required!
Boomerang 2.0B7
CD-ROM catalogs
Fast FTP for the Mac/NCSA Telnet 2.3b2
Info About Script Interface System Standards requested.
Is there a shortage of the 8-Bit Color Video Board?
Looking for Greek postscript font
MS Word...
MultiFinder memory usage
Network simulation software...
New "nFLU" virus, Disinfectant 1.2
Personal Laser Printers
PICT->PostScript ; MPW
SE's with FDHD's
SLIP for the Mac?
Sound effect request
Thanks
What's a Benchmark?
XCMD & XFCN Creation
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1989 16:03:32 PDT
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 89 04:01 CDT
From: GREENY <MISS026%ECNCDC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Applecare is required!
> ...it would seem that applecare is required...
ENOUGH! I have really had it with this discussion already. It would appear
that Apple does not appear to be listening to us and that something must
be done to "wake them up". Is there a network gateway that we can all
send an electronic form letter of the form:
" Dear Apple (John Sculley):
I am just your average American computer buyer who finds the Macintosh to
be an extremely innovative and engrossing machine. However, I simply can
not accept the fact that the quality of it is low enough that you can not
guarantee it for more than 90 days, when Korean IBM/PC clones are comming
equipped with a 1 year (or more) parts/labor warranty.
I firmly believe that increasing your warranty from 90 days to at least
1 year would be in the best interests of Apple Computer, and restore the
faith instilled in a large number of us who beleived that the Apple
Macintosh would be the "computer for the rest of us" in 1984, and are
still sticking by it now". Please provide us with the same support that
we have provided your company (and YOU) with.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
<your name here>
<your electronic address here>
"
With the number of people on this list flooding the Apple gateways with messages
of this form, Apple would not be able to profess to be so blind to the requests
of millions of Apple computer users. We of this list are not the only ones
to request an extended warranty period, Macworld recently completed a survey
of it's readers that also confirmed the wish for a >90 day warranty, and
somewhere in the range of 1 year.
I'm sorry if the flames are burning anyone, but I really get steamed when a
company that professed to be "Anti Big [Blue] Brother" in 1984 can't even
offer a warranty on equipment longer than "that other manufacturer".
With enough pleas perhaps Apple will listen to us.
Thanks for your support.
Bye for now but not for long
David S. "Greeny" Greenberg
BITNET: MISS026@ECNCDC
Internet: MISS026%ECNCDC.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
GEnie: GREENY
MACNET: GREENY
Disclaimer: #include<std_legal_stuff.h>
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 89 12:18:31 EDT
From: Norman Gall <gall@nexus.yorku.ca>
Subject: Boomerang 2.0B7
Please, oh, please, post the newest versions of this treasure to
sumex-aim.stanford.edu as soon as it is available. When this comes
out of beta-version, I'll be sending at least $30 as fee.......!
Thanks for such an outstanding product!!
Norm Gall
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York University | "Philosophers who make the general claim that a
Department of Philosophy | rule simply 'reduces to' its formulations
Toronto, Ontario, Canada | are using Occam's razor to cut the throat
_________________________| of common sense.' - R. Harris
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 89 15:05:54 EDT
From: Mark Edward Toomey <MTOOMEY%UGA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: CD-ROM catalogs
I would appreciate any info on CD-ROM listings, catalogs,publishers
or subscription lists. Our college is considering purchasing a
Toshiba machine with links to Mac & IBM and would like to submit
a proposal on not only the hardware costs but the subsequent cost
of the CD-ROMs also. Areas of interest ( on disk) are statistical
simulation databases, nutritional analysis applications, and design/
graphics applications. PD & Shareware disks would also be useful.
Please send me any info direct and I'll be glad to summarize
when I've received some responses. Thanks.
Mark Edward Toomey
Computer Services Specialist
College of Home Economics
University of Georgia
BITNET: MTOOMEY@UGA
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 89 09:52:24 edt
From: gateh%conncoll.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Fast FTP for the Mac/NCSA Telnet 2.3b2
> Does anyone know of a FAST telnet for the Mac. We're using
> NCSA Telnet 2.2. It isn't fast enough for some of the stuff we're
> doing. (Getting around 8 K/sec when we aren't under multifinder, worse
> otherwise)
>
> TIA,
> Steve Pothier
> pothiers%tuva.sainet@nmfecc.arpa
Steve,
I've recently started using NCSA Telnet 2.3b2 with my Mac II running
System 6.0.2, MultiFinder, 40 meg drive, and 2 meg RAM. In downloading
files from our MicroVAX II running Ultrix V2.0-1, my transfer rates are
between 15-25 K/sec. I don't know if the higher speeds are attributable
to the newer version, or to my hardware, or something on the mini's end,
but you may want to try it out (assuming this is fast enough). The new
version is dated 4/5/89. I am willing to send you a copy, however see
the note below.
Editors: I would post the new version, however the copy I have (which came
>From another institution that shall remain unnamed) was infected with
nVIR when I received it. Due to time constraints, I opted to attempt
disinfecting the copy with Disinfectant 1.1 instead of waiting for a clean
copy. It appears to be fine now, however I hesitate to submit
disinfected software to the archives. If you would still like me to
submit the new version, please let me know.
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
Gregg TeHennepe | Academic Computing and User Services
Minicomputer Specialist | Box 5482
BITNET: gateh@conncoll | Connecticut College
Phone: (203) 447-7681 | New London, CT 06320
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Date: 3 Aug 89 9:01 -0600
From: KRISHNA DESIKACHARY <desikacharyk%wnre.aecl.cdn@relay.ubc.ca>
Subject: Info About Script Interface System Standards requested.
Dear fellow netusers,
Thanks for those who have replied re. my query about Script Manager
documentation sometime ago. It exists in Vol. V of Inside Macintosh, which I
managed to obtain and read. Now I have a further question. Inside Mac says that
the Script Manager interfaces with a Language Interface System such AIS for
Arabic and RIS for Roman, both of which have been written by Apple. Basically
it consists of Context Logic, Font and Sorting modules that are peculiar to a
language system. Such modules, as far as I know, do not exist for Indian
languages although the Inside Mac have references to these languages.
Now my question is this. I have written context analysis modules and defined
Fonts for Telugu and Sanskrit/Hindi languages. An Editor I have written
works within this environment to compose and edit these langauges quite
successfully. However,I wish to standardise this environment in the same way as
Apple's AIS. But I dont know where I can find information on the "standards"
and "methodolgy" required for this effort. Can anyone please suggest me where
I can find this info and tell me if similar work is being done by Apple or
someone else? May be inforation on how Apple built its AIS system will guide
me in the right direction. Any leads you may provide will be greatly
appreciated.
Thanking you in advance,
Yours sincerely,
K.Desikachary
Net Address: Krishna Desikachary <Desikacharyk&wnre.aecl.cdn>
Atomic Energy Of Canada, Pinawa, Manitoba, Canada.
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Date: Thu 3 Aug 89 07:54:26-PST
From: ROHAN%ASTRO.SPAN@star.stanford.edu
Subject: Is there a shortage of the 8-Bit Color Video Board?
What gives?... A month and a half ago I ordered a MacIIcx direct from
Apple's regional sales office here in Houston. It came only a few days
late with everything included except the 8-bit video card. After
calling about the card they said two more weeks...after two more weeks
they then said to wait another month...and after another month they are
saying to wait another 5 weeks. What's happening! is there some sort
of big shortage of 8-bit color video cards going around (I haven't seen
mention of it in the trade magazines), or is it just some inept sorts
working at their shipping office. Or maybe it is Apple's way of
invaidating the warrenty on my machine before it is even started up
(Oh no, Its got a 40Mb hard disk! :-( ). Is anyone at Apple listening
(My company has a big account and I have a big mouth). Has anyone heard
of a shortage for the 8-bit video card???
Rick Rohan
Lockheed @ JSC/NASA
Disclaimer: The above opinions are mine not my employers or the guys we
have in purchaseing.
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 89 13:41:06 MDT
From: Bob Bolt <BBOLT%UALTAVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Looking for Greek postscript font
I am looking for a postscript font which contains the full Greek
character set. There is a grad student at our university who wants
to write her master's thesis in classical Greek. If anyone is aware
of a font that will print Greek characters, please contact me.
Thanks in advance.
==========================================================
Bob Bolt Bitnet: BBOLT@UALTAVM
Instructional Tech Centre CI$: 75410,2754
University of Alberta
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 89 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thomas Edward Van Lenten <tv0c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MS Word...
I don't know, this may have been mentioned before, but there is also a
problem with the MS Word 4.0 Ref manual. Take a look and see if you pages
298-304 (The range is somewhere around there) and pages 317-318. They were
completely missing from my manual. The replacement manual arrived today (it
took a month to get). The packing slip say that this is "Rev B" of the manual.
Did anyone else get a messed manual?
TVL
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 89 11:36:36 EDT
From: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@pica.army.mil>
Subject: MultiFinder memory usage
I only got a couple of replies to my query about System file sizes growing
under MultiFinder. I assume this is due to my being jus a little behind the
times, in terms of using MF:-}. At any rate, the following is Dave Platt's
reply, which pretty much puts it all in perspective. Thanks to those who
replied, either by email or phone.
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Under MultiFinder, many resources from the System file are loaded into the
System heap, rather than into the various application heaps (one per
running application). This permits the resources to be shared between
multiple applications; there's no need for each application to load
(for example) its own copy of the Times 12 font bitmap.
If you have a debugger such as TMON or MacsBug, you might find it interesting
to examine the various heaps and see which resources appear where...
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
tom c
Electromagnetic Armament Technology Branch, US Army Armament Research,
Development and Engineering Center, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ 07806-5000
ARPA: tcora@pica.army.mil -or- tcora@ardec.arpa [201] 724-4344
UUCP: ...!{uunet,rutgers}!pica.army.mil!tcora BITNET: Tcora@DACTH01.BITNET
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 89 22:42:11 EDT
From: dmg@lid.mitre.org (David Gursky)
Subject: Network simulation software...
Does anyone know of network simulation applications that exists for the Mac?
David Gursky
Member of the Technical Staff, W-143
Special Projects Department
The MITRE Corporation
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 89 10:34:49 PDT
From: jln@acns.nwu.edu
Subject: New "nFLU" virus, Disinfectant 1.2
Another Macintosh virus named "nFLU" has been discovered at the
University of Minnesota. This virus is identical to nVIR B,
except for the name change.
Disinfectant version 1.2 has been configured to recognize nFLU.
We recommend that all Disinfectant users obtain a copy of this new version.
Version 1.2 also contains a few other minor changes. For a detailed
list of all the changes see the section titled "Version History"
in the online document.
Disinfectant is free.
Features:
- Detects and repairs files infected by Scores, nVIR A, nVIR B, Hpat,
AIDS, MEV#, nFLU, INIT 29, ANTI, and MacMag. These are all of the
currently known Macintosh viruses.
- Scans volumes (entire disks) in either virus check mode or virus
repair mode.
- Option to scan a single folder or a single file.
- Option to "automatically" scan a sequence of floppies.
- Option to scan all mounted volumes.
- Can scan both MFS and HFS volumes.
- Dynamic display of the current folder name, file name, and a thermometer
indicating the progress of a scan.
- All scans can be canceled at any time.
- Scans produce detailed reports in a scrolling field. Reports can be
saved as text files and printed with an editor or word processor.
- Carefully designed human interface that closely follows Apple's
guidelines. All operations are initiated and controlled by 8 simple
standard push buttons.
- Uses an advanced detection and repair algorithm that can handle partial
infections, multiple infections, and other anomalies.
- Careful error checking. E.g., properly detects and reports damaged and
busy files, out of memory conditions, disk full conditions on attempts
to save files, insufficient privileges on server volumes, and so on.
- Works on any Mac with at least 512K of memory running System 3.2
or later with HFS.
- Can be used on single floppy drive Macs with no floppy shuffling.
- Extensive online document describing Disinfectant, viruses in general,
the Mac viruses in particular, recommendations for "safe" computing,
Vaccine, and other virus fighting tools. We tried to include everything in
the document that the average Mac user needs to know about viruses.
John Norstad
Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
2129 Sheridan Road
Evanston, IL 60208
Bitnet: jln@nuacc
Internet: jln@acns.nwu.edu
AppleLink: a0173
CompuServe: 76666,573
[Archived as /info-mac/virus/disinfectant-12.hqx; 104K]
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 89 08:48:27 MDT
From: Bob Bolt <BBOLT%UALTAVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Personal Laser Printers
Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information on the
LaserWriter SC and the General Computer Personal Laser Printer. The
following are comments made by people on the net and local Mac users.
- PLP uses outline fonts for accurate scaling, but SC uses scaled down
bitmap fonts. The SC must have a size 4 times larger than the size you
want to print to achieve quality 300dpi. Also, the SC only has 4 fonts.
- System 7's outline fonts should be supported by both machines
- the PLP will not be able to print large documents on a 1 meg machine.
You must quit the application and run another application from GCC that
handles the print job. Adding memory to your Mac solves this one.
- the SC cannot handle any fancy postscript-like font manipulations.
The PLP can do some, such as rotated text.
- the SC is faster than the PLP, NT or NTX for most jobs.
- the PLP has trouble printing its outline fonts in HyperCard - they
come out as bitmaps
- reliability of the PLP was brought into question. Some of the local
dealers refused to even quote me a price, because they were tired
of the support required for this printer.
Although I am leaning toward the PLP, I am not satisfied that either
of these printers are a good value. One person informed me of a
liquid crystal postscript-compatible laser printer from Everex that
goes for $2600 (Education price) and a 30 day evaluation period. That
seemed to good to be true and, sure enough, this offer is not valid
in Canada (the story of my life). A dealer also informed me the GCC
will shortly be releasing a new model of PLP that addresses some of
the current model's shortcomings. So, I think I will just wait and
see what happens.
==========================================================
Bob Bolt Bitnet: BBOLT@UALTAVM
Instructional Tech Centre CI$: 75410,2754
University of Alberta
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 89 09:35:12 PDT
From: USERQKMP@cc.sfu.ca
Subject: PICT->PostScript ; MPW
If you want to put a PICT into EPS, there's a program in the info-mac archives
(called DrawOver, i think) that does exactly that.
Re MPW/Think C: Certainly Think is quite suitable for large commercial
applications. As far as I know, PageMaker was developed using Lightspeed.
(how much bigger do you want? :-)
But MPW is *the* POWER development system. Of the Mac, of the world. Link
anything from anywhere, scripts to do just about absolutely anything, etc.
MPW is an *internal* apple tool that was developed to write things like
system software, Color Quickdraw, etc. etc. It was never intended to compete
with commercial languages like Think's.
But if you don't have a 50 person development team who each writes in a
different language ;-) you might as well forego the incredible memory and
space overhead of MPW.
Of course, if you use Think products you don't get to use MacApp, which may
even be a practical system at around version 5.0 ;-) (If I'm wrong in this
statement, I'm sure the resident Think person will correct me...)
Alex Curylo USERQKMP@sfu (Bitnet) 604-858-8161
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 89 11:34 EST
From: Thomas R. Blake <TBLAKE%BINGVAXA.BITNET@bingvmc.cc.binghamton.edu>
Subject: SE's with FDHD's
Folks,
Well, I checked AppleLink, and compared the price lists. As far as I can
tell, the price has not gone down any. But the SE does ship with FDHD's rather
than the old 800K's.
Thomas R. Blake
SUNY Binghamton
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 89 16:38:12 CDT
From: "Mark R. Williamson" <@rice.edu:MARK%RICEVM1.RICE.EDU@icsa.rice.edu>
Subject: SLIP for the Mac?
Can any of the various Telnets for the Mac run across a serial line?
We have recently installed a SLIP-capable terminal server with 9600 baud
modems, and it surely would be nice to telnet in from home! Does MacTCP
support SLIP?
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 89 10:12:56 EDT
From: Kim Dyer <3C257F7%CMUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Sound effect request
I know someone out there was digitizing a bunch of bits from Warner
Bros. cartoons. I have one in mind that I would like. Wondering if
there is any chance they might have it.
There's a cartoon - I *THINK* it's an Elmer Fudd, but I could be wrong
- where the lead character is staying the night in a house which has
lephrchans. They stand one on top of another, and act as the "hotel
manager", then proceed to drive poor Elmer nuts. At one point the
"top" and "bottom" halves loose track of eachother. They end up
standing in front of Elmer, bottom half next to top half, and they
say "Now isn't this sight enough to set the heart crosswise in ya?"
WONDERFUL line. Anyone digitize it yet? I want to rig something
to startle a friend who comes over and plays with the Mac all the time.
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* Kim A. Dyer | *
* Computer Services | THERE'S A DESK UNDER *
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 89 23:09 EDT
From: <LGREEN%WHEATNMA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Thanks
Since I haven't seen my thanks to all you netters yet in the Info-Mac
digest, I thought I would send to this address and see if this made it.
I had troubles with Hypercard, and many people (20 or so) responded to tell
me that all I had to do to get Hypercard visual effects to work was to change
the monitors cdev to 2 color mode. Thanks for everyone's help and prompt
response. Sincerely,
#########################################################################
Lyman Green * *
User Services Consultant * Lemon Curry? *
Wheaton College Norton,MA * *
Bitnet: LGREEN@WHEATNMA * *
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 89 18:30 EDT
From: "Roger Marks, NIST, Boulder, CO. 303-497-3037" <MARKS@enh.nist.gov>
Subject: What's a Benchmark?
Can I get some help on benchmarking? I need to get some kind of
comparison between a Mac SE/030 and some fast 386 machine in
number-crunching. I've been looking at Byte benchmarks, but they
aren't making sense. Having spent as much time as I can studying the "new"
Byte benchmarks [June '88], I get the impression that the low-level
numbers are supposed to provide useful information across CPU families.
On the other hand, I find these numbers for the Byte FPU math
benchmark:
IBM PC 71
IBM AT 46
Compaq 386/20 7
Mac II 175
Mac SE/020 149
Now come on--the IBM PC ain't twice as fast as the SE/020. So where
does this leave me? How can I convert benchmarks into a comparable
scheme? Or, where can I find comparable benchmarks? And, why would
Byte spend so much time developing benchmarks and end up with numbers
that are useless across CPU lines?
Thanks for any insight,
Roger Marks
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 89 21:26 EDT
From: DSchwartz@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
Subject: XCMD & XFCN Creation
Recent postings have expressed the desire for an improved development
environment for XCMDs and XFCNs. The product "Wild Things" from
Language Systems Corp. (Herndon, VA - (703)478-0181 ) might be of some
interest.
Wild Things contains templates and support routines for producing XCMDs
and XFCNs in at least six languages, which include:
MPW Pascal
MPW C
Lightspeed Pascal
Lightspeed C
Language Systems FORTRAN
TML Pascal
Complete sources are included in ALL the supported languages for about
40 example XCMDs and XFCNs. The templates and the supplied step-by-step
instructions can be used to build routines fairly simply, I believe. My
own experience has only been with the FORTRAN portion, but the rest of
the languages seem to be just as straight forward to use as I found the
FORTRAN to be.
Also included is a neat MacPaint-like editor for ICON resources, stacks
showing the use of the supplied XCMDs and XFCNs, a test stack for
development testing, and the ResCopy XCMD from Apple for the placement
of new commands ( and other resources as well ) into stacks.
All in all this seems to me a well thought out and rather complete
package for XCMD and XFCN development. I'm not sure what the list price
is, but I believe the discount street price is slightly over $100.
Dana Schwartz
Laurel, MD
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