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Info-Mac Digest Tue, 14 Nov 89 Volume 7 : Issue 201 Today's Topics: About INITs, BlackBox in particular Custom WDEF example HaikuMaster stack Hi-Low Laser Font Info-Mac Digest V7 #194 Need a XFCN Official THINK C scanf() patches Printing PostScript files from a Mac Readable "Read Me" FIles/Standard Text Documentation ResMaster DA Responses to WORD 4.0 pagination problem serial driver STANDARD TEXT OUTPUT FOR README FILES SuperPaint Plug-in Problems System 7 and 2-floppy macs Think C 4.0 + OOPs + Code Resource -- Why not. Weird Mac Crash Yet another Black Box problem area Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indicies are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 11:28:47 PST From: PUGH@ccc.nmfecc.gov Subject: About INITs, BlackBox in particular Concerning Black Box and FreshStart: Both of these INITs fail in most of our environments due to one simple rule that the authors failed to follow. Define your single goal and stick to it. Both programs try to do everything! Most of us already have a plethora of INITs running. I am reaching the end of my second row on my Mac II screen. As examples of INITs that are well scoped and interfere with nothing, I present Facade and ColorFinder, both of which can be found in the archive. They do similar things and work together without knowing anything about the other because they are SIMPLE and CONCISE. They do the task defined and nothing else. Both Black Box and FreshStart are attempts to be the definative INIT and as such they fail for the same reason that Jazz failed. Macintosh users can do better by combining a couple of programs that do the tasks better than any of these integrated programs. I learned this lesson with Randomizer, an INIT I wrote. I started out simply replacing the functionality of Backdrop's randomization by adding sounds to the files changed. I actually incorporated the Backdrop screen functionality into Randomizer also and that was my greatest mistake. Randomizer now changes files and that is it. It does it's single simple task and quits. If you authors are listening, please take note. There is a reason that MacWrite lasted as long as it did. Simplicity. My suggestions for Black Box are four: 1) Simply create and manage the task strip. Don't do anything else. 2) Don't change the screen size. Instead, do what NeXT did, allow the task strip to slide to the bottom of the screen so that only the top icon is showing. NeXT allows you to use that portion of the screen and users want it. There is no reason to amputate the display. 3) See the MultiFinder that comes with SADE and figure out the trick of removing an application's windows from the screen when it is swapped out. NeXT does this and so does MultiFinder. You should too, compatibly I might add. 4) If you want all the other features you incorporated into Black Box, make seperate INITs for them. That way things are more manageable and in the standard Macintosh fashion, people can use the pieces they want and nothing more. Otherwise you may find yourself the only user of the program you worked so hard on and that doesn't do much for the piddly shareware fees you might have gotten. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 89 01:57:21 -0500 From: earleh@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Earle R. Horton) Subject: Custom WDEF example This application demonstrates a custom 'WDEF' which allows for dynamic resizing of the GrowIcon and Grow Image of the window. This supports scroll bars in other than the standard width of 16. The 'WDEF' is intended as a drop-in replacement for 'WDEF' 0 in the ROM and system file. The new features are implemented using an extension of the WStateData record, and interfaces in C, Pascal, and Assembler are included for use in programming for it. Source code is available. Earle R. Horton [Archived as /info-mac/tech/custom-wdef-example.hqx; 13K] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 89 22:19:39 EST From: chris@adms-rad.unisys.com (Chris Sterritt) Subject: HaikuMaster stack Hello, This is a fairly unusual, but fun hypercard stack. It generates 'haiku' (fairly loose rules) randomly from words in its own dictionary. Must be Unstuff'd. Enjoy! -- chris sterritt chris@adms-rad.unisys.com [Archived as /info-mac/hypercard/haiku-master.hqx; 14K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 89 19:10:51 MST From: Bruce Long <ICBAL%ASUACAD.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Hi-Low Laser Font This is Hi-Low, a laser font which generates subscripted and superscripted Times and Symbol characters. I created the font primarily out of need, because most draw programs do not allow superscripted or subscripted text (Cricket Draw is a rare exception, but it is showing its age). Equation processors such as MathType, Expressionist, etc., could be used, but I wanted a way to label points on a math drawing, such as x sub 1, without resorting to an equation processor for each point. Hi-Low can also be used with a word processor. A handy macro could be made (using MacroMaker, QuicKeys, etc.) to switch to Hi-Low and another macro could switch back to Times. All Times Roman alphabetic characters and numbers can be superscripted just by typing the normal character or shift-character using the Hi-Low font. They can be subscripted by including the option key. (So type "a" to have a superscripted "a", and type "option"-"a" to have a subscripted "a".) This means that the characters normally available with the option key are not available. Some of them have been shifted elsewhere, as well as most of the greek letters and some symbols from the Symbol font. I was guided by a purely selfish motive--to include only those characters I myself have had (or probably will have) cause to subscript or superscript, particularly in math drawings. Included with the screen and laser fonts is a keyboard map (in Word 3 format), but I suggest you ignore it and use the great PopChar INIT for entering the greek letters and math symbols when they are needed. I have only included screen fonts for sizes 9 and 10 (I normally use size 9 for subscripts and superscripts). In order to use Hi-Low you will need to have Times and Symbol fonts also available to your System. This font was created with ParaFont. I made Hi-Low primarily for my own use, and am passing it along as freeware so that others (particularly those working in Mathematics and related fields) can also use it. Bruce Long Department of Mathematics Arizona State University Tempe, AZ 85287-1804 ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET [Archived as /info-mac/font/hi-low.hqx; 21K] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Nov 89 22:56:39 GMT From: adobe!!bezanson@decwrl.dec.com (Brian Bezanson) Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #194 >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 89 13:10:59 +0100 >From: HFPENAK%BLEKUL11.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu >Subject: adobe type manager > >Could anybody tell me if the adobe type manager is compatible with >a grappler LQ interface ? Is it compatible with any software printer >drivers for an Epson LQ printer ?Does the type manager work >satisfactory on a 1 Meg machine ? ATM does work with the Grappler LQ using the ImageWriter LQ driver. It is also compatible with MacPrint and the other 3rd party <-> Epson drivers. Adobe didn't directly do a lot of testing with these drivers, but the driver vendors were BETA sites and reported no problems. ATM works on a 1 meg machine. How you use the word 'satisfactory' is dependant on how you use the machine. ATM will need about 128K of RAM plus cache space (64K minimum). After that your system and application can run. If they can run fine in these limits, ATM will work fairly transparently. You'll see a slight delay as the outline is loaded from disk and the characters are first created, but that should be the 'worst' of the performance. -- Brian Bezanson bezanson@adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated The opinions expressed above are my own and may not represent those of Adobe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 16:45:46 PST From: GPR001Y%CALSTATE.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Need a XFCN I am looking for a external function that will look at a stack and return a value. The value would tell if the stack itself is locked (by the user on the desktop, in the Get info box), if it is on a locked disk (floppy or otherwise) and, if possible, the ammount of freespace on the disk where the target stack is currently. If you know of an XFCN that will do this, please send me a message. Or, if you would be willing to write one that will do the above, send me a message. Thank you. Mark R. Elpers GPR001Y@CCS.CSUSCC.CALSTATE.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 89 09:54:28 EST From: siegel@harvard.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) Subject: Official THINK C scanf() patches The attached binhex contains patches to fix bugs in the THINK C ANSI library and a program to apply them. [Archived as /info-mac/lang/think-c-scanf-patches.hqx; 31K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 12:32:10 PST From: trewitt@miasma.stanford.edu Subject: Printing PostScript files from a Mac Use the utility SendPS, archived on Sumex as info-mac/util/sendps-20.hqx. This will also let you print text files, I beleive. SendPS is provided as a public service by Adobe Systems. - Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 12:15:16 PST From: siegman@sierra.stanford.edu (Anthony E. Siegman) Subject: Readable "Read Me" FIles/Standard Text Documentation "Take a Letter" is indeed a neat application. My copy says it was written by Joel McNamara, Version 1.0, February 27, 1987, Copyright 1987, Watercourse Software, with address Watercourse Software P.O. Box 511273 Salt Lake City, Utah 84151-1273 and is shareware with a $10 fee. However, while a program like TeachText or Take A Letter is handy for making a self-clickable file to introduce a novice user to some new program, I don't see why the standard format for program documentation, especially for anyone sophisticated enough to be downloading or routinely acquiring new software, shouldn't be just straight TEXT files, unless illustrations are essential in the documentation. Sure, it would be nice if Apple provided a simple text editor built into the Mac System, but there are a dozen good DA editors routinely available (MockWrite, miniWriter, JoliWrite, MicroEditor, Vantage, McSink, SigmaEdit), and surely any regular Mac user has one of more of these on his or her system. Incidentally, one disadvantage of Take A Letter is that the resulting self-clickable application files are quite a bit longer than the text files they encapsulate -- a factor of 3 times in some cases. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 89 22:20:15 EST From: chris@adms-rad.unisys.com (Chris Sterritt) Subject: ResMaster DA Hello, This is a desk accessory called ResMaster. It allows viewing and editing of a few resources directly, and the rest on a hex-or char level. Nice to have around when you don't want to dive into ResEdit. Must be Unstuff'd. -- chris sterritt chris@adms-rad.unisys.com (on Internet) [Archived as /info-mac/da/res-master.hqx; 34K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 12:38:04 PST From: nardi@cs.nps.navy.mil (Peter Nardi) Subject: Responses to WORD 4.0 pagination problem Not long ago I sent the following posting to info-mac looking for help with a WORD 4.0 problem: >Subject: Word 4.0 Pagination problem > >Here's the trouble: > > I'm working, with an SE, on a document in Word 4.0. When I use the style >sheets I've created I can print the document on an ImageWriter with no >problem. When I take the document to school and open it on a IICX connected >to a laserwriter, despite the fact that I use the same style sheets, the >pagination of the document is completely different. My 5 page document at >home turns into just over 6 pages at school. One of the local experts tells me >that the default number of lines per page on an ImageWriter is 66 and on a >laserwriter it's 60 (unchangeable) and this is the cause of the problem. > If this is the case, how can I change the number of lines per page for >my ImageWriter so that what I see at home will be what I get at school? If >this is not the problem, then what is? I've tried the page setup menu with >no luck. Thanks in advance The response I got was just terrific! Thanks to everyone who helped. Here is a partial list of some answers to the problem: ---------------------------------------- The deal is that the laser printer uses a different ruler than the imagewriter...your margins become bigger and thus your document becomes longer. Fortunately, someone had the bright idea to alleviate this problem...when you set up for printing on the imagewriter, check the "tall adjusted" box (I think it is in the page setup box or maybe it is called print setup...anyway, it is under the file menu and is in one of those near the print command). To change the setup of a file that has already been written, you must actually start the print sequence to change the settings for that file...take a file that you have, choose "tall adjusted", then choose "print". Let the process start, and then hit command and period to stop the print...you should see the file reformat before your eyes. Then you can work on it in this correct format, and it should be the same when you go to a machine hooked up to a laser printer. ---------------------------------------- Try using the "Tall Adjusted" style in the ImageWriter setup box... this format is, under most circumstances, compatible with the default LaserWriter page setup. You could also try using the "Larger print area" option in the LaserWriter options dialog. ---------------------------------------- Well, your expert is a little bit right, but not really... Here's the scoop. The problem isn't in the number of *lines* the printer supports, but in the spacing it uses. Actually, the LW and IW don't even know what a line of text is -- both are graphics oriented printers, they print bitmaps, not lines. Think about it -- how meaningful is "60 lines" if those lines might be in 10 point or in 24 point, depending on the user? But I digress... Your problem is in the way the IW and LW drivers handle spacing. The LW spacing is a bit tighter, and to make things more interesting, an "inch" to a LW is a bit smalller than an "inch" to an IW! The drivers for the IW and the LW don't handle the different resolutions (72 dpi vs. 300 dpi) and imaging models (QuickDraw vs. PostScript) in a completely transparent way. Thus, your problem is actually a "feature"! Rumor is that this inconsistency will be fixed in System 7.0, and all printers will work alike. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, your solution is to put a LaserWriter driver on your system at home, and select that, EVEN THOUGH YOU WON'T BE PRINTING TO A LW with that machine, when you compose documents destined for an LW. If you print drafts on your IW, the sad truth is that the spacing will be just plain wrong, though. ---------------------------------------- What you need to do on you SE at home is drag a copy of the Laserwriter driver and Prep files into your system folder and then use the chooser to select Laserwriter which will fool the Macintosh into thinking you really have a Laser printer. You must also execute Page Setup and then your document will be formated just like you're going to print from the CX. Format it the way you want it and resave the file. It should be exactly the same when you open it back up with the CX. Try to get the same version of the Laser files that you use with your CX. ---------------------------------------- I had the same difficulty between an SE/Imagewriter and a II/Laserwriter. The fix: 1. Put a Laserwriter driver in your system folder on the SE. The necessary drivers (I think there are two) are included with MS Word. 2. Open the chooser on the SE. You will see both Imagewriter and Laserwriter printer icons. Select the Laserwriter printer icon. Don't worry about the dialog that accompanies this choice (e.g., Appleshare must be active, etc.) because you really won't have a Laserwriter attached, but MS Word will THINK you do. Just answer the questions as if you had a Laserwriter attached. 3. Open your Word document. Notice that in the Page Preview view you will see more pages than before (like when you printed from the IIcx). 4. Adjust your Style sheets as necessary. 5. Save your document either in normal form or as a Postscript dump. 6. Take your document to the IIcx and you should be able to print without difficulty. The above steps allow you to save documents in a format that is WYSIWYG for the Laserwriter on a machine (SE) that DOESN'T have a Laserwriter attached. What you may not realize when you create your documents is that the application knows what kind of printer the document will be output to by the choice made in the Chooser, and the application makes formatting decisions based on the printer chosen. This subtlety can create alot of frustration since there are cases (yours) when you may want to output to a different kind of printer. You just have to fool the machine into thinking it will be outputing to that printer. Don't forget that you will have to re-select the Imagewriter icon in the Chooser before you can print again from your home machine. ---------------------------------------- The problem is not different default number of lines, since macs are not line- based systems, but character-based systems. You have run into a hardware conflict: the laserwriter can't print the full width of the paper, and as a result you have about 1/2 inch less width to print on than the imagewriter. This explains why you have more pages when you print with the laserwriter than with the image writer, since the laser writer will fit less characters per page than the imagewriter will. In addition, if the fonts you are using at home are not laserwriter fonts, and you have font substitution checked, you may get a different number of pages. I keep my chooser set to laserwriter, even though I have an imagewriter connected. This allows me to see on screen the formatting and pagination which will result when I print on the laserwriter. If I need imagewriter hard copy, I temporarily set the chooser to imagewriter, print the document, and not worry about pagination since I use the imagewriter to produce only drafts. Besides, unless you install fonts into your system that are twice the size of the fonts you use in your document, your imagewriter output, even at the best setting, produces quite ugly copy. ---------------------------------------- the fix is VERY simple. Select the TALL ADJUSTED box in the printer dialog box when you are working on the Imagewriter version. This will make the Imagewriter-formatted paper have the same line breaks as the Laserwriter formatted version. There is a bit of a problem with this. The Imagewriter version will tend to run the words on a long line together. In other words, as Word 4 modifies the spaces between words for justification, the minimum size used is too small and will make the words look concatenated. This is only a problem on the Imagewriter. ---------------------------------------- Expert? EXPERT? Ha! HA! [Sorry, but one of my pet peeves is cluelessness masquerading as expertise.] The problem is that Mac screen pixels are square (72dpi) but ImageWriter pixels are not (72x80, if I remember correctly, slightly tall). Setting the "Tall Adjusted" box in Page Setup will result in the same spacing being used for the Imagewriter (72x72) and will then translate to the square aspect ratio of the 300x300 LW. ---------------------------------------- It is possible that the paper size is different, either in length (as you were told), or width. In any case, Word specifies the size of the margins (which is based on paper width/length), and specifies paragraph indents >From those margins. If paper size differences are indeed the source of your problems, then you can use Page Setup to adjust the margin size. Unfortunately, you will have to do this whenever you want to print on a different printer. However, you should be able to determine the differences once, and apply these to any document that you want to print. ---------------------------------------- There is a simple fix that I and my local student Apple rep have come up with that works in most of the cases. As you ave found out, when you try to edit/print a MS Word document (3.0x or 4.0) that was originally formatted for a Imagewriter, they will do not look alike. The solution for this is to delve into the LaserWriter Page Setup command under the File menu and click on the Options button. Then click the check box for '4% reduction' on. This should fix everything. The reason explained to me by Mike Jordon (the aforementioned rep) is that the imagewriter can be set up to print to a zero margin, while the Laser can only go as close as a 3/8 in. margin (at least that is as close as I have gotten with Word). Word keeps the tab positions and all of the other formatting codes in the same relative place, but the added margins will cause your document to be cast all askew. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 23:45:58 SET From: "Vincenzo G. Capuano" <CAPUANO%ICNUCEVM.CNUCE.CNR.IT@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: serial driver Hi, I'm writing a driver that will replace the serial driver. It checks the csCode and if it is a standard csCode it will pass it to the original serial driver, if the csCode is a new (created by me) one, then it does its own processing. My problem is that when the driver that replaces the .AIn driver gets a csCode = 1 then it crashes. I haven't found any reference to csCode = 1 in Inside Macintosh. Would please someone how to resolve this ? Thanks in advance. Vincenzo G. Capuano ----- capuano@icnucevm.cnuce.cnr.it ------------------------------ Date: 10 NOV 89 14:43:18 CST From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: STANDARD TEXT OUTPUT FOR README FILES A few weeks ago, I posted a message about the lack of standard text output on the Macintosh for README files. I compared how the Mac reads these files and how the IBM, Atari ST, and Commodore Amiga approaches the feat. The latter systems do not go through any program for such reads and handle the files rapidly. In comparison, the Mac requires a program to handle the reading, slowing things down incredibly. Secondly, many developers who at least have the courtesy to include decent documentation, seem to use whatever text processor that they have on hand, whether it be Word, WriteNow, MacWrite, FullWrite, or TeachText. There is just no standard, amazing on a machine that is as popular as the Macintosh. The lack of text standards is causing increasing problems as the Mac integrates itself more and more into other computer world environments. An office worker who works in a multi-computer environment is going to be in any mood other than trying to locate the appropriate word processor to read a README file for the new program that the office just purchased. Admittedly, the problem is becoming even worse since MacWrite is no longer bundled with the Mac. NOT EVERYBODY HAS MACWRITE. I received several letters from many who have Macs and many who have the Mac emulators. Obviously, those having the emulators are the ones most frustrated since their systems, the Commodore Amigas and the Atari STs have direct access to README files under a standard text outputter. When the users of these machines use a real Mac or a Mac emulator, it is frustating to them to have to use or dig up a text processor to read a simple README file when normally, their computers can read these files directly. A universal reaction from all, those on emulators and those on real Macs concerned the lack of a standard. One new Macintosher does not have MacWrite and has several files that she can't read. She was given a list of PD/SHAREWARE text processors that can read these: MockWrite, SigmaEdit, MiniWriter. Sounds like a real mess... For what it is worth, here is a track toward a solution: 1) Do what Apple says, use TeachText. It comes bundled with the Mac. 2) Or, use stand alone text. An excellent utility that can create such a README file is DOCter v2.35. Painless, quick and it can mix graphics with the text body. Also, it has an option allowing the user to print the body to the printer or the disk. The options don't get in the way, either. It is shareware. 3) Someone in the 'know' suggest to the Macintosh system developers to burn TeachText into the OS so that a user can merely click on a README file. An option alert box immediately asks the user if he wants to view the file on the screen or if he wants it dumped to the printer. No document processor acts as a go-between at all. I really appreciate the Mac interface and environment. Admittedly, I run an Atari ST with the Spectre GCR Macintosh emulator and enjoy the Mac world. My only regret is that, as an Amigan friend wrote me: "And I thought that I was the only person to notice the rather glaring flaw. I run an amiga with mac emulation, and yes, amiga documentation can be read without any program." My only other regret is that I can't afford a real Mac, the Mac IIci is my dream....! Many thanks for allowing me to post this and I regret any waste of bandwidth space. Larry Rymal: |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 14:17:51 MST From: Bob Bolt <BBOLT%UALTAVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: SuperPaint Plug-in Problems I am having a serious problem with SuperPaint 2.0 that I hope someone can help me with. We purchased an educational site license for our Macintosh Appleshare file server. The problem is that the plug-in tools don't work. When they are placed in the SP Pouch folder in the application's folder, launching Superpaint causes a new SP Pouch to be created in the boot disk's System Folder. Because of the limited amount of space on the floppy boot disks, we cannot install the plug-ins in the System Folder - they MUST be on the file server for use to take advantage of them. The documentation indicates that the SP Pouch can be anywhere on the disk and SuperPaint will find it. With SuperPaint and the plug-ins installed on a local hard disk, everything works perfectly, but the copy on the network ignores its SP Pouch completely. Silicons Beach's tech support was not very much help - their only suggestion was to put the plug-ins into the System Folder. Does anyone have a possible solution to this problem? I'd hate to give up on the plug-in tools - they have a lot of potential. ================================================================== Bob Bolt Bitnet: BBOLT@UALTAVM Instructional Tech Centre CI$: 75410,2754 University of Alberta AppleLink: BBOLT@UALTAVM.BITNET@DASNET# ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 14:53:01 EST From: Clare Durst <CCD%BROWNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: System 7 and 2-floppy macs In May of 87 we installed an Appleshare network in the deans' office; it's grown to about 25 macs. Preponderance is 2-floppy SEs but there are some Pluses as well. 80 meg server. Works great. It's the nature of our office that a) assignments of deans to various projects changes frequently; and b) most deans (or their secretaries) aren't interested in the "finer points" of how things work. All work is kept on the server and backed up frequently. However, apparently we won't be able to use System 7 (and the outline fonts, in particular) because the word is that it won't fit on a single floppy. More memory I don't mind buying but hard disks for everyone I don't WANT to buy - it will encourage the "exclusive" ownership of files I *WANT* to have shared. Has any guru thought of this? Any possibility of having a shared folder ON THE SERVER (or the 2nd floppy drive) of inits and cdevs? I'd welcome thoughts on this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 14:43 EST From: WATTS@urhep Subject: Think C 4.0 + OOPs + Code Resource -- Why not. Hi y'all, Tell me, why can't you use oops style programming in a code resource in Think C 4.0? If I am writing a code resource, the compile sais that object definitions are illegal. Does Think C install some special sort of start-up routine, or what? Gordon. BITNET: WATTS@UORHEP ARPANET: gwatts@ruthep.rutgers.edu USMAIL: Gordon Watts Dept. of Physics and Astronomy University of Rochester Rochester, NY 14627-0011 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 12:29:40 EST From: 3puppy%UMass.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Weird Mac Crash Greetings: About 10 minutes ago, I was typing a message to someone using my modem on the UMass mainframe (as I am doing now). All of a sudden, my screen flipped out! I looked at the modem, and the connection had been lost. I pressed the programmer's interupt switch on my Mac Plus.....nothing...... Then I pressed the reboot switch, and NOTHING......I reached around the the back of the mac.... turned it off... waited 5 seconds, turned it back on, and it didn't beep like it should!! The screen was still screwed up, and the hard drive started making crazy sounds. I repeated the process of turning it off, waiting, and turning it on several time with no success! Just for fun, I turned it off, lightly tapped my mac on all sides, turned it on and BEEP! Everything worked fine! I haven't turned it off, since then, and I don't know if I want to... Anybody experience this before?? -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 12:58:33 EST From: zben@umd5.umd.edu (Ben Cranston) Subject: Yet another Black Box problem area We've found an interesting bug here. BB does not seem to clear the low-core "finder arguments" cell before doing the launch. So, if you launch an application manually from the desktop by double-clicking one of its documents, then launch a second application from the BB icon strip, the second app gets the same arguments as the first! Many apps ignore arguments that do not apply to them so the problem is often masked. If you're trying to duplicate this problem, make the second app ResEdit which can open ANY kind of file. ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************