[comp.sys.mac.digest] Info-Mac Digest V7 #208

Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (11/23/89)

Info-Mac Digest             Wed, 22 Nov 89       Volume 7 : Issue 208 

Today's Topics:
                 About INITs, BlackBox in particular
                           Cassette-labeler
                            Color of pixel
                       Combining Binhex Files 
                           Diamond 4.2 Demo
                       Excel -> MacDraw problem
                           Hardwire PC->Mac
                               IBM Font
                           IBM Screen Fonts
                      Imagewriter Print Spoolers
                       Info-Mac Digest V7 #204
                       Info-Mac Digest V7 #205
                         Info about GatorBox
                       Info on Large Hard Disks
                    Iron-on transfers from the Mac
                         Mac to PC transfers
                         Map Cdev on a 512KE
                      multiscreen screensavers?
                           NeXT CoLOR wdef
                nfnt.carta.hqx, nfnt.centennial_1.hqx
                     Pascal variant records in C
                            Screen Savers
      telecomm program supporting meta key/mouse/window resize?
                               Thanks!

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Date: 15 Nov 89 10:42:00 EDT
From: "Richard Holmes" <rich@suhep>
Subject: About INITs, BlackBox in particular

PUGH@ccc.nmfecc.gov writes:
>Concerning Black Box and FreshStart:
> 
>Both of these INITs fail in most of our environments due to one simple rule
>that the authors failed to follow.  Define your single goal and stick to it.
>Both programs try to do everything!  

Amen to that.  It's no coincidence the software that has the largest volume of
bug and misfeature complaints is the software that tries to be nine places at
once.  If you can't decide whether it's a floor wax or a dessert topping, it's
probably not a very good instance of either.

I'm pretty wary of INITs (only have one row of them on my SE screen so far...);
there are too many ways they can bugger things up if done wrong.  I use only
the ones I find to be very useful, or very fun, and simple and clean.  If
BlackBox were about five or six well-encapsulated, single-purpose INITs I'd
probably use some of them.  As it is, I'm afraid to go near the thing.

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 10:55 EST
From: Michael D Yablonsky Dept of Molecular Karma at the Waksman Institute
Subject: Cassette-labeler

I just downloaded the cassette-labeler which Tom Coradeschi 
<tcora@pica.army.mil> archived @sumex-aim.stanford.edu. So far so
good. I'm running it on a color IIx with 5 megs, multifinder 6.1, 
system 6.0.3. It has some nice features. I would recommend that you 
tapers out there give it a try. It prints a simple line
pattern the size of a normal cardboard tape sleeve. Don't expect
mega-graphics, they're not here. It does allow you to generate
custom labels where you supply the info for each section. You get
to choose fonts but only one for the whole label. Only the default
pitch is available. (it looks like 16 cpi). 

You can add:
On the label;

Header for each side of the label, 2 lines each
Subheader fill in the blanks for NR and Date
Set list (printed in open section)

On the (thin) side;

Fill in the box for tape type with length (small box on the left)
2 lines on each half of the long wide open section
You can choose a pattern box for the right end of the box, sort of 
	a visual sorting aid.

The application prints out one label per page. You then have to cut out
the label and fold it along the appropriate lines and slip it between
the normal cardboard sleeve and the plastic box. 

Bad things:

It seemes to have refresh problems on my machine. I don't know if this
is because of my other inits.  It crashed (unexpectedly) when I tried 
to edit a file while it was printing. I haven't tried it on my SE/30 
yet but Tom's posting said he had no problems on that machine. I'll
try it tonight.  Also it seems not so multifinder friendly in that I 
have to pull down the apple menu rather than click the small icon to switch
around. This only happens when the app has a file open.   

Good luck with it. I think it's pretty nice so far. Sure beats my
embarassing scawl on those homemade labels. 

I didn't see anything about freeware/shareware although I found a
version number of 1.0b1 and a notice that some of the code is 
copyrighted by Zedcor 1985.

Are the authors out there??? have you the new/improved app???
  
Mike

Yablonsky@biovax.rutgers.edu
  

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 12:19 EDT
From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen)
Subject: Color of pixel

Subject: RE: Color of a pixel
>Date: Wed, 15 Nov 89 16:16:10 -0500
>From: demarsee@icarus.cns.syr.edu (Darryl E. Marsee)
>Subject: Color of a pixel
>
>How does one go about finding out the color mixture information for
>a pixel on the screen?  I need to get the Hue/Saturation/Brightness
>(HSB) or Red/Green/Blue (RGB) values of a pixel that is currently
>visible on the Mac screen.  Ideally, I'd like to find something like
>the FatMouse DA that displays this color information, but in lieu of
>that, anything that doesn't require some big bucks package like
>PixelPaint will do.  Any clues out there on how to do this?
>
>Regards,
>
>Darryl Marsee
>Syracuse University

This should be a faily simple FKEY to write.  Get the mouse coordinates, then
call GetCPixel to return the RGB values.  Do you just want them displayed on
the screen, or what?

Peter Jorgensen
Microcomputer specialist
Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346
AppleLink - U0523
BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU
tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1989 9:41:40 PST
From: "Mike Hewett" <hewett@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Subject: Combining Binhex Files 

I just had to do the same thing - reassemble a large .hqx file.  I tried
Stuffit, FileSplit, and Append and the only one that worked was Append.
It is is the Sumex archives as:

   info-mac/util/append.hqx   (6K)

Mike Hewett
Hewett@Sumex-Aim.Stanford.Edu

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 89 21:01:05 +0100
From: Roland Mansson <roland@dna.lth.se>
Subject: Diamond 4.2 Demo

    DIAMOND - Version 4.2
 
    THE COMPACTOR FOR MACINTOSH
 
    RUNS ON MACINTOSH Plus, SE, SE/30, II, IIX, IICX, IICI and Portable
 
    FULL VERSION THAT CLOCKS OUT 6 MONTHS AFTER FIRST USE
    ALL FEATURES AVAILABLE
 
    NO RESTRICTION FOR DUPLICATION
 
[Archived as /info-mac/demo/diamond-42.hqx; 35K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 14:25:29 EST
From: williams@cbl.umd.edu (Bill Williams)
Subject: Excel -> MacDraw problem

I've been having a problem with shipping graphs from Excel to
MacDraw(II) for many years, now, and it suddenly occurred to me to ask
the net if anyone else has had the same problem.  We use the combination
of Excel and MacDraw to make publication-quality graphics for scientific
papers, and it works well, except for the following problem:

Whenever we export a line or scatter graph, MacDraw displays all the
points on the graph as large, blacked-in (we don't have color)
rectangles, regardless of what the point shape was in Excel.  A close
inspection reveals that the large black rectangles are actually UNDER
the proper symbol, which is there, with its appropriate background
(usually a similar symbol one pixel larger in all dimensions).  This
makes the problem particularly difficult to solve:  if the big black
rectangles were OVER the correct symbols, we could just touch each one
and remove it with a backspace, but since they are UNDER the correct
symbols, this technique removes the good symbols, not the bad.  Moving
all the rectangles "to back" is not practical, especially when the
symbols are very close together (although this is, in fact, what we do -
it's a long and tedious process and usually results in accidentally moving
a few of the points we want).

There must be a way to avoid this problem, because I'm pretty sure that
Cricket Draw doesn't have it (although I looked at Cricket Draw a long
time ago).  Anybody know what I can do?  I called Claris about it, 'way
back before MacDraw II, and the guy on the phone tried it while I talked
him through it and said something on the order of "Well, I'll be
darned," but it didn't get fixed in MacDraw II.  

I'd appreciate any suggestions, including suggestions about getting
other graphics software (to substitute either for the graphics portion
of Excel or for MacDraw II).

		Bill Williams
		Williams@CBL.UMD.EDU
			(301)862-0365

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 14:27:04 EST
From: Andy_Mondore@mts.rpi.edu
Subject: Hardwire PC->Mac

The cheapest way to transfer files between a Mac and a PC is to    
buy a null modem cable and then run Kermit on the Mac and the PC.  
(There are versions of Kermit for many different computers and     
operating systems.)  If you don't 
have Kermit at UMass, you can FTP it from watsun.cc.columbia.edu.
 
Another alternative is to buy MacLink Plus.  You should be able to 
order it from any of the larger mailorder houses that advertises   
in Mac World.
 
Andy Mondore
Andy_Mondore@mts.rpi.edu
userfmc6@rpitsmts.bitnet

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 16:18:36 EDT
From: Denis Beauchemin <IN10%UDESVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: IBM Font

Hi,

Jakob (datjn@neuvm1) was looking for an IBM-looking font.  I found one in ZTerm
(a telecom program available from Info-Mac) and I transferred it to my system.
To do such a thing, you have to hold the Option key down while clicking Open in
Font/DA Mover to be able to open an application (the font is installed directly
in ZTerm).

Good Luck,

    --> Denis Beauchemin, Analyste        --> IN10@UDESVM.BITNET
        Departement de mathematiques          (819) 821-7022
        et d'informatique
        Universite de Sherbrooke

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 10:13:43 EST
From: "Bret Ingerman 315-443-1114" <INGERMAN%SUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: IBM Screen Fonts

   The program SoftPC (Insignia Solutions), which allows you to run
Blue software on your mac, comes with two fonts:  PC40 and PC80.  As
the names imply, PC40 is a 40 character wide PC font, and PC80 is for
80 character screens.  They also include the extended ASCII codes for
such things as line draw charaters, etc.

Bret Ingerman
Syracuse University

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 15:46:14 EST
From: stngiam@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Imagewriter Print Spoolers

    I always thought that there was no such beast, but I recently saw a
post about a print spooler used in conjunction with a seikosha
dot-matrix printer.  Does anybody know of good products of this type ?
How much memory do they require? How much performance improvement can
we get when used with an Apple IW II?

    Thanks.  

Shih Tung
MIT Chem E

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Date: 20 Nov 89 15:21:14 GMT
From: jeff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey M White)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #204

In article <8911180157.AA08206@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:
>
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 89 16:06:10 EST
>From: David_S._Allan@ub.cc.umich.edu
>Subject: Monitoring Laserwriter usage
>
>We are in the process of expanding our departmental PhoneNet network.
>We currently have five laserwriters and about 35 nodes connected.
>Our major network traffic is printing.  We do not currently support
>file sharing or mail, though we hope to add that in the future.
> 
>We are concerned with a possible increase in frivolous laserwriter usage
>when we expand the network access to the rest of the department.  We
>would like to find some kind of utility that will:
> 
>   o  Allow us to restrict access (password or other means) to the
>      laserwriters.
> 
>   o  Allow us to monitor laserwriter usage on a node-by-node basis,
>      for recharging or to generate statistics on laserwriter usage.
> 
>Surely many are facing this problem.  What kinds of utilities are
>available?  Any public domain solutions?  You can respond directly
>to me and I'll summarize to the net.
> 
>Thanks for your help.
> 
>David_Allan@ub.cc.umich.edu
>

  There is no way I know of to password restrict a LaserWriter (although
I think a LOT of people would wish you could).  The best way I know of
to restrict access is to "hide" it behing some other program.  If you
had a Fastpath/Gatorbox, there are modificiations to the lwsrv program
(which publishes the Laserwriter from the unix system) which uses the
Mac chooser name like a unix name (even with a mini-password system).
If the Mac chooser name doesn't map to a Unix name properly, the user
can't print.  I'm not sure if LaserShare running on top of AppleShare has
any type of authorized spooler.
  As far as monitoring goes, TrafficWatch from Farallon allows you to
monitor traffic between nodes.  I've seen examples listed in the manual
where LW usage is displayed as a pie chart, broken down by user (actually
Mac node number, which I guess is assumed to be mapable to a user).  A
couple things, though.  First, I'm not sure whether you need a Star 
Controller to work with this, as the same company makes both.  If not, I
would have to assume that you need to dedicate a Mac to traffic watching,
so that it could continuously gather stats.


					Jeff White
					University of Pennsylvania
					jeff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu


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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 16:30:41 PST
From: GurgleKat <pete%cavevax@hub.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #205

> I want to be able to generate illustrations *on my Mac* which look as
> if they are screendumps from an IBM PC. For this purpose I need a
> font which looks like the monospaced characters on a standard IBM PC screen.
> Could somebody please point me to such a font (if it were ftp'able,
> it would best, but anything would help).
> 
> Jakob Nielsen, Technical University of Denmark
> Department of Computer Science, DK-2800 Lyngby Copenhagen, DENMARK
> Tel: +45-31-38 23 20 or +45-42-88 15 66. Fax: +45-42-88 22 39
> Email: datJN@NEUVM1.bitnet OR jn@iddth.dk OR nielsen.chi@xerox.com

You might be able to extract the IBM-style font in ZTerm, of which v0.85
is available via anonymous ftp at sumex-aim.stanford.edu.

If you have trouble getting the font out of the application, just remember
to hold down option when you click the "Open" button in Font/DA Mover.

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 16:14:02 EDT
From: Denis Beauchemin <IN10%UDESVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Info about GatorBox

Hi,

Marty (bigos@curie.standofr.edu) was asking about the GatorBox.  Here's my
opinion about it:

We bought a GB when they got out (almost).  At that time they were advertising
them as having TCP/IP - AppleTalk routing, remote printing and mail sharing.
When you bought the box, you were supposed to be able to do all this!

Well, the remote printing works if you can figure out how to install part of
CAP (Columbia AppleTalk Package; which is free).  I've been able to install it
on our Sun and now all Suns can print on our laser printers on AppleTalk.  It
is not possible for a Mac to print to a printer connected to a Sun unless you
install more of the CAP (which I didn't do).

As for the mail, we could buy StarNine SMTP software, but it won't come for
free (around 1000$).  With it and QuickMail or MS Mail you could exchange mail
messages between Macs and Suns.

For the NFS part, we had many problems in the beginning (the GB kept crashing)
but it has been a while since the last crash!  I'd say that the software has
matured and is now usable.

Using AppleShare User on any Mac gives you the possibility to access your
account on the NFS server.  You even see your files with icons and directories
as folders.  As for performance, I'd say it's definitely slower than an
AppleShare server (even a Mac+ server!) but you can use existing equipment
(such as huge disks).  You can't use the excellent AppleShare Admin program and
you can't copy-protect software (because some Finder protection bits aren't
available over NFS).  Here is a short list of other inconveniences: users can't
change their passwords when logging in (possible with an AppleShare version 2
server); "Guest logins" are not supported; IBM compatible PC's can't use the
remote volumes because names are not converted (yet - should be in next release
of their software).

All in all, I really like the GatorBox.  Even though it is slow, it gives us
a greater data security since backups are taken automatically every weekday on
our Sun server.  It also frees us from floppies!

The fact that it is slow makes it almost unusable to share big appllications.
It takes a while to load big applications like Word 4 or Hypercard.  And if
many users do it at the same time, it slows down even more.  But to exchange
data files which are usually smaller (unless you manipulate color 3D images or
huge databases), it's not so bad.

I don't know if there's something wrong with their installation, but when we
demoed the GB to two guys from another faculty where a VAX is used as an
Appleshare server via AlisaTalk and a Kinethic FastPath, they told us that
the GB was a lot much faster than their VAX-AlisaTalk-FastPath configuration.
We haven't done any formal timings though.

NCSA Telnet comes with the GB (at least it came with ours more than one year
ago) and it works very well with it.  Version 2.3 available via Info-Mac works
fine with it.

Hope all this helps!

    --> Denis Beauchemin, Analyste        --> IN10@UDESVM.BITNET
        Departement de mathematiques          (819) 821-7022
        et d'informatique
        Universite de Sherbrooke

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 11:29 EST
From: KNKR9043%wooster.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Info on Large Hard Disks

Well, it is time to look for a new hard disk. This 40 megger is just to small
(and soon will feel smaller). I do not want to merely jump to an 80 meg drive.
I am looking into drives that range from the 160-300 meg range and I am looking
for opinions on drives in this size range. So, can you people speak forth? I
want to focus on external drives that are reliable, fast, QUIET (my 40 sounds
like a damn jet). Please feel free to mention how you people back these things
up as well. I am just seeking info right now and the more info I can get the
better....

  Thanks,

==============================================================================
=                                                                            =
=    ** Ken Knight **   |       Bitnet: KNKR9043 @ WOOSTER                   =
=                       |               Box C-2027 College of Wooster        =
=                       |               Wooster, Oh 44691                    =
=                                                                            =
= "Time is gone; the song is over; thought I'd something more to say.."      =
=                      -- Pink Floyd                                         =
=            "Goddness me, could this be, Industrial Disease..."             =
=                      -- Dire Straits                                     =
=                                                                            =
==============================================================================

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 14:00 EST
From: FRIEDMAN@anchor.rutgers.edu
Subject: Iron-on transfers from the Mac

Sometime ago I remember a request being made for the source of product that
would allow one to make an iron-on transfer using the Mac and a laserwriter.
Unfortunately, I forgot to note the place where one might purchase this 
product.  Hopefully, someone remembers and I would appreciate it if they could
forward me the information.

Thank you
Rich
Friedman@biovax

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 16:20:18 EDT
From: Denis Beauchemin <IN10%UDESVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Mac to PC transfers

Hi,

Damian (damian@mars.ucc.umass.edu) would like to know how to transfer files
between a Mac and a PC that sit next to each other.  Here's how I would do it:

Buy an ImageWriter I cable for your Mac SE and connect the large connector
(DB-25) into COM1 on the PC.  Start a comm program on both computers and
transfer files at high speed.

I would recommend the following programs: ZTerm on the Mac side and Telix (or
Procomm) on the IBM side.  They are all shareware and are available from the
net (I'm sure about ZTerm but not about the others).  They also support ZMODEM
transfers, which is what you should be looking for.

Hope this helps,

    --> Denis Beauchemin, Analyste        --> IN10@UDESVM.BITNET
        Departement de mathematiques          (819) 821-7022
        et d'informatique
        Universite de Sherbrooke

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Date: 20 Nov 89 16:18 EST
From: MacInfo@dca-ems.dca.mil
Subject: Map Cdev on a 512KE

Regarding the question about using the Map CDEV on a Mac 512KE
It doesn't matter what system or amount of memory because Map CDEV
calles to some extra Parameter RAM that the 128 and 512 didn't get 
in its Clock IC.  I had the same problems, and only found out by 
checking the assistance on MACNET on Connect, Inc.  I hope this 
helps...Bob

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 10:56:58 PST
From: eastman@csa2.lbl.gov (Jack Eastman)
Subject: multiscreen screensavers?

>Date: Wed, 15 Nov 89 12:22:37 EST
>From: George McKee <mckee@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu>
>Subject: multiscreen screensavers?
>
>Are there any screen savers available that can blank multiple screens?

After Dark, the new screen saver by Berkeley Systems, Inc., will blank multiple
screens without difficulty. After Dark comes with over a dozen graphics effects
which you can display on the screen as it sleeps; some of them merely paint the
second screen black, but many propagate their graphics across an arbitrary
number of screens.  And if you don't like any of the prepackaged graphics
modules, you can write your own.  After Dark should be available from your 
favorite mail-order house now. 

                                        Jack Eastman
                                        Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
                                        eastman@lbl.gov

Disclaimer: I wrote After Dark.

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 89 21:29:55 PST
From: 6500stom%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu
Subject: NeXT CoLOR wdef

NeXT CoLOR Window Definition for the Mac
by Jorg "jbx" Brown & Eric Celeste & Josh Pritikin

NeXT CoLOR WDEF is a replacement for the standard Mac windows.
It is a close relative of Eric Celeste's NeXT WDEF except this
version support beautiful color!  It even works on multiple
screen in multiple depths.  To install you just throw the init
into your system folder.  Source included!  Have fun.

email: 6500stom@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
GEnie: J.Pritikin

[Archived as /info-mac/misc/next-color-wdef.hqx; 45K]

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 89 08:03:36 -0500
From: cderose@mwunix.mitre.org (Craig Derose)
Subject: nfnt.carta.hqx, nfnt.centennial_1.hqx

The NFNT version of the screen fonts listed in the subject line follow.

[Archived as /info-mac/font/adobe/carta.hqx; 33K
             /info-mac/font/adobe/centennial-1.hqx; 118K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 10:07:19 EST
From: reg@lti2.lti (Rick Genter x18)
Subject: Pascal variant records in C

Pascal's variant records are the equivalent of C's unions.  Thus:

  RECORD
    .
    .
    .
    CASE CInfoType OF
      hfileInfo:
        (ioFlFndrInfo: FInfo;
          .
          .
          .
         ioFlClpSize: LONGINT);
      dirInfo:
        (ioDrUsrWds: DInfo;
          .
          .
          .
          ioDrParID: LONGINT);
  END;

is equivalent to

  struct {
    .
    .
    .
    union {
      struct {
        FInfo ioFlFndrInfo;
        .
        .
        .
        long ioFlClpSize;
      } _hfileInfo;
      struct {
        DInfo ioDrUsrWds;
        .
        .
        .
        long ioDrParID;
      } _dirInfo;
    } _CInfoType;
  };

(The union and its member structures are required to have names; I chose the
names of the type/values prepended with an underscore here.)

Hope this helps.
					- reg
--
Rick Genter					...!{buita,bbn}!lti!reg
Language Technology, Inc.			reg%lti.uucp@bu-it.bu.edu
27 Congress St., Salem, MA 01970		(508) 741-1507

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 09:29:37 PST
From: PUGH@ccc.nmfecc.gov
Subject: Screen Savers

I have two screens on my Mac II and the screen savers that I have found to
work best are Dimmer and Pyro.  Dimmer doesn't draw anything, it merely frobs
the gamma so that your screens dim.  You can adjust the darkness although if
you leave it over two hours it will darken completely.  I like it the best as
it consumes virtually no CPU time and does not interfere with any software
running.  It is even nicer than AutoBlack which was the best screen saver on
the Plus and SE.  Unfortunately, Dimmer does not work on any SE, including the
SE/30.  Pyro only draws it's graphics on the main screen but all screens are
blackened.  Pyro uses CPU time but has enough smarts to not go on if downloads
or printing is occuring.  I use Pyro on my SE/30 at home.  I have seen no
other screen savers that work as well as these two.  I'm going to check out
After Dark soon so perhaps I will post more about that later.  Farnham wants 
me to write a MacLavaLamp screen saver.  ;^)

Jon

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 09:38:09 PST
From: meldal@anna.stanford.edu
Subject: telecomm program supporting meta key/mouse/window resize?

   I would appreciate
   anyone telling me of programs that suport (with the host's knowledge):

   - the 'meta'/option key
   - resizable windows
   - the mouse

The program UW (Unix Windows) 4.2 supports all of these. There is also
a gnuemacs function package which supports the UW mouse. UW allows up
to 7 concurrent sessions across a single physical line.

UW is available from the sumex archives (in the UNIX directory?).

-- Sigurd

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89  15:43:05 EST
From: Damian%UMass.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Thanks!

Wow!  Wow!

When I asked about hardwiring a PC to a Mac I had NO idea I would receive
such a volume of letters....at least 25.  Because of the volume I won't
be able to thank each person individually, but I would like to thank
everyone who helped me out!  Every message was useful.

And now onto another question:

For people that are using the mac for large databases:

Does anyone out there know what the Maximum size of a "field (a block of
text)" may be in 4th Dimension?  How about in Double Helix?

Does anyone know of a program that will handle text fields of 30 pages+ ?
It seems that Hypercard is my only solution, but I need another if
possible.

Again, thanks in advance....you guys/gals are too nice.

Damian Roskill
Consultant
University of Massachusetts, Amherst
damian@mars.ucc.umass.edu

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