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Info-Mac Digest Sun, 10 Dec 89 Volume 7 : Issue 216 Today's Topics: _Launch 1.2 Color of a pixel Color of Pixel (ColorPix.hqx) CopyEdit 1.32 Cricket Graph Exchanging mail between Internet and MCI Mail Finder slowdown FTP. Hebrew Word Processors (summary) Info-Mac Digest V7 #210 looking for lab instrumentation software Mac <--> Vax : AlisaShare vs PacerShare : which? Mac network Max Headroom sound Mea culpa - I'm behind schedule this month Quickdraw weirdness Running Allegro Lisp in more than 8M with Virtual 2.0 SND files ---> Soundmaster files Where to get Macintalk. Word 4 Patch for Fractional Widths on ImageWriter Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indicies are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 89 19:16:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael A. Libes" <ml10+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: _Launch 1.2 _Launch is a small, 48K, "Multifinder Aware" utility which like OnCue and PowerStation, let you start and switch to applications under Multifinder. _Launch sets up an "icon dock" similar to NeXT Step and BlackBox. The main difference being that _Launch is an application, NOT an INIT!!! I have yet to find a program or INIT which will cause problems with _Launch. After the first four days of distribution, there were enough requests for certain features that I had to update _Launch. The following is a binhex encoded Stuffit archive including the application and documentation (in a MacWrite file). The new features include: a title bar for the window the ability the rotate the window to be vertical or horizontal the choice of single or double clicks for launching _Launch is Shareware, so give it to your friends and try it out yourself. [Archived as /info-mac/util/launch-12.hqx; 28K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 89 06:24:52 PST From: LOUIE CASAGRANDE <casagrande%crcvax@nssdca.span.nasa.gov> Subject: Color of a pixel Darryl Marsee wanted to know if there was any way to find the color information for a pixel on the screen. This is a DA called Clutter. It will put up a window up to 16x16 (for 256 colors) containing all the colors in the current clut. Pointing to a pixel on the screen highlights its color in the DA window. Double-clicking on the color in the window opens up the color editor with the HSB and RGB information (and allows you to edit it). Teach Text documentation is enclosed. The author is Don Leeper. This is free but not public domain. Lou Casagrande (516)346-6379 Grumman Corporate Research Center Mail Stop A02-26 Bethpage, NY 11714-3580 [Archived as /info-mac/da/clutter.hqx; 10K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 89 10:16 EDT From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: Color of Pixel (ColorPix.hqx) Subject: RE: Color of Pixel (ColorPix.hqx) Here is the answer to Darryl Marsee's question about getting the color of a pixel. This is my ColorPix FKEY, written yesterday after reading Darryl's message. This binhexed StuffIt file contains the FKEY and its resources in one file, ready to be installed, and all the source code in THINK Pascal. Rather than go overboard with features, I've Kept It Simple. I do plan to add a button that will convert the RGB values to Hex, for those who just can't count in decimal. If anyone can enlighten me as to why this FKEY temporarily screws up the Color Picker pallette in the Color CDEV I'd be happy to fix it. The incredibly creative and unique source code for this FKEY is copyrighted by me. The FKEY itself is distributed as beggarware [got a dime for a cup of coffee? ;-)]. [Archived as /info-mac/fkey/colorpix.hqx; 7K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 89 15:44 EDT From: <HGOULD%CLARKU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: CopyEdit 1.32 Dear Net: I have enclosed in binary format a copy of CopyEdit 1.32 by Ju-xing Yang of Clark University. CopyEdit is a convenient DA which I use to copy data so that it can be pasted into Cricket Graph (like the Copy Table command in VersaTerm and MacTerminal). Initially it was written to transfer data from Basic and Fortran programs to Cricket Graph. We also now use it to remove non-Ascii characters, save phone numbers, flip case, etc. I think of it as an editable scrapbook with many pages for text. CopyEdit is shareware. Use Stuffit to decode and decompress the file. Harvey Gould, bitnet: hgould@clarku [Archived as /info-mac/da/copy-edit-132.hqx; 13K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 89 15:39 EST From: KWALDMAN@wash-vax.bbn.com Subject: Cricket Graph Can someone tell me why, Cricket Graph 1.3.1 and 1.3 do not work with a Mac II ci? I'm running Finder 6.1.4 and System 6.04. The same set up works with a Mac SE. Thanks Karl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 89 08:56:13 EST From: Jeff Solof <JSOLOF%MITVMC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Exchanging mail between Internet and MCI Mail I've had some luck passing mail back and forth between Internet and MCI Mail. >From the MCI Mail side, set up the "envelope" as follows: TO: Jeff Solof (EMS) EMS = Electronic Mail Service option EMS: INTERNET MBX: JSOLOF@MITVMC.MIT.EDU MBX = Mailbox (Internet address) >From the Internet side, address the mail to: username@mcimail.com username is the MCI Mail address in one of two forms: either the full username (like MIT Alumni Fund) or the "box number", unhyphenated, and preceded by three 0's. To illustrate, I sent mail to my Internet address from MCI Mail, and it arrived with the following header: From: MIT Alumni Fund <0003033904@mcimail.com>. My "box number", as it appears within MCI Mail, is 303-3904. Hope this helps! Jeff Solof JSOLOF@MITVMC.MIT.EDU JSOLOF@MITVMC.BITNET (Don't send me anything via MCI Mail -- I rarely check it.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 89 17:52:59 EDT From: Dave Elbon <SYSDAVE@ukcc.uky.edu> Subject: Finder slowdown I reported a case of Finder slowdown recently that seemed to be related to a moved and renamed Desktop file. Well, apparently that wasn't the problem or at least not all of it. To restate the problem, on a Mac in my office the Finder has become sporadically very slow. It often takes as much as 15 seconds to open a folder that should open instantly. Once launched, programs seem to run at normal speed. I found that the Desktop file had been renamed DeskTop, become visible, and moved to the System folder. Correcting that seemed to help at the time. Disinfectant 1.2 found no sign of viruses. Well, it's still happening. But I've noticed that the AppleTalk arrows in the upper left corner of the screen are on during the slowdowns and dismounting AppleShare volumes apparently prevents the slowdowns completely. This is happening on a Mac II, 5 meg, Multifinder, System 6.0.2. Any suggestions? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 89 14:34:48 EDT From: "Evan Stark, CUNY Graduate School Computer Center." Subject: FTP. We at the CUNY Graduate School are running an AppleShare network, connected to a Kinetics fastpath to give us access to the Internet world. We use NCSA Telnet to get out. Is there: 1) a program that does ONLY ftp without Telnet, and 2) a program that allows incoming access to the mac host and the network it's connected to, using something analogous to anonymous ftp, i.e., with limited privs at the point of entry. As it stands now, the ftp in telnet provides for either access to anyone (no account and password to get in) or access through an account, and thereafter, the privs available to the appleshare login concurrently running on that Mac apply to the user ftp'd in. Any info would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 89 16:44:01 GMT From: YS100%phoenix.cambridge.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Subject: Hebrew Word Processors (summary) Thanks to all those who sent information to me about word processing in Hebrew. The best summary of the information I received is a message from Rafi Brunner, shown here. The general consensus is that Rav-Ktav from Davka Corp. is the best program to use: There is one WP produced in Israel by Micro-Macro Corp, it is a script manager based wp, that works under the Hebrew system only. It's called Rav-Ktav but goes under different names in different countries. I know it's been distriburted by Davka in the US. The same company is shipping a page layout program by the name Rav-Daf. RSG has a script manager version that works with hebrew system, it's proteced and is very buggy. Apple Europe is supporting a French company that distributes another wp that goes by the name of WinText, also script manager supported. The same company has a page layout prog. and a SM based presentation prog as well. WinText has a lot of features but is slow.. can work at a reasonable speed on a Mac II and up. Rav-Ktav is much faster but is missing some very important features, and deals badly with picts and does not support EPS in cut and paste. I currently work with both WinText and Rav ktav, depending on the work at hand. Letters with Rav ktav, papers and long manuscripts with WinText. <END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE> Davka's addresss is: Davka Corporation 845 N. Michigan Ave. Suite 843 Chicago, IL 60611 USA (312)944-4070 Yoram ys100@phx.cam.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 89 14:07:32 PST From: ogccse!mntgfx!pdx.mentor.com!leikenberry@decwrl.dec.com (Larry Eikenberry) Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #210 Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators): > > One of our profs has been asking me about printers for her new Mac. > For some reason, she doesnt like the ImageWriter II. But--she doesn't > want to spend the $$ for a laser, either. > > I'm looking for comments-suggestions on 3rd party printers for the Mac. > I can only speak for my personal experiences with the HP DeskWriter. It is an excellent printer for the price. I see nothing that can match it. Don't believe the review in the recent MacWorld. They made a big mistake. Somehow their tests came out at low resolution (72 DPI). The printer is capable of 300 DPI. I don't know how they botched the benchmark. I have had no problem getting the laser quality results that have been described on the network. Everything that has been written on the network regarding this printer has been very complimentary. Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 89 13:35 EST From: "Leo Geoffrion, Skidmore College" <LDG@amy.skidmore.edu> Subject: looking for lab instrumentation software One of our Psychology faculty members is engaged in rat experiments where he needs to record the activity of the animals (12 different cages) on an exercise wheel. He'd like to feed the data into a Mac for automated collection and analysis. We've found some boards that accept signals from exteral lab devices and look like they'll facilitate the actual collection of the wheel rotations, but we can't find a device to attach to each wheel. Ideally, the switch would trip once with each rotation, but since there are 12 cages, it would need to identify to the Mac which one has been triggered. (Attaching one Mac to each cage is hardly feasible economically.) Can you recommend places to check for such an item, or better yet, is someone out there already doing such stuff and can recommend a configuration? Thank you, ======================================================================== Leo D. Geoffrion Associate Director for NYNEX: (518) 584-5000 Ext. 2628 Academic Computing Skidmore College NYSERNET (Internet): LDG@AMY.SKIDMORE.EDU Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 BITNET: LDG@SKIDMORE ========================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1989 10:54:55 CST From: "GERGA::DAVE"@neptun.tamu.edu (Dave Martin) Subject: Mac <--> Vax : AlisaShare vs PacerShare : which? Greetings. We are expanding our computer network here, adding another Mac LocalTalk network in an adjacent building, and need to be able to keep all the Macs connected to the printers and our MicroVax. We have already purchased the Kinetics FastPath to link our LocalTalks, and are attempting to decide between AlisaShare and PacerShare software for connectivity to our Vax. We do not currently have a file server such as AppleShare - I am aware that Alisa is better suited of the two if AppleShare is used, so that is not a major factor. Is anyone using Alisa or Pacer who could give me a bit more info from experience. It is useful to know what kinds of problems/complaints others have had with the two systems. Any responses would be appreciated. Thanks, . Dave Martin . Geochemical & Environmental Research Group . Dept. of Oceanography - Texas A&M University . BROOKS@TAMVXOCN.BITNET BROOKS@NEPTUN.TAMU.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 89 13:56 EST From: <R_LEHMAN%FANDM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (RICHARD S. LEHMAN) Subject: Mac network In a COmputers in Psychology user group meeting, someone mentioned hearing about a commercial (?) service called (again, we think) MacNet. Does anyone know anything about it? If so, where can I find more? I'd like to include the info in the report of the user meeting. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 89 08:14:39 -0800 From: <miner@parc.xerox.com> Subject: Max Headroom sound Someone on comp.sys.mac recently asked for Max Headroom sounds. Since I didn't see any in the INFO-MAC archives, I thought I would pass this one along. It came off the net some time ago. I'm sorry, I don't know who originally posted it. "This is Max Headroom." Enjoy, Steve [Archived as /info-mac/sound/max-headroom.hqx; 61K] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 89 17:58:46 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Mea culpa - I'm behind schedule this month VAPORWARE Murphy Sewall From the December 1989 APPLE PULP H.U.G.E. Apple Club (E. Hartford) News Letter $15/year P.O. Box 18027 East Hartford, CT 06118 Call the "Bit Bucket" (203) 569-8739 Permission granted to copy with the above citation Macintosh Inc? The wildest recent rumor is that Apple will split into two separate companies (modeled after the successful spinoff of software developer Claris). The Apple IIgs is so closely identified with the name "Apple" that the Macintosh producer will need a new name (if not "Macintosh," maybe "Grove?"). - Thanks to MacUser reader Mark Munz Monster Mac. Apple submitted a bid on a Defense Department contract for a "Worldwide Information System" which requires delivery of 25-MIP workstations within 60 days (early January 1990). The prototype behind the bid is said to be a Mac built around a 33 MHz Motorola 88000 RISC chip. - InfoWorld 6 November PM Lite. IBM is working on a smaller (than 2.5 Mbytes) PC-DOS based Presentation Manager now known as "PM-Lite." As with Windows 3.0 (still forthcoming - see last month's column), PM-Lite will permit applications of greater than 640K and offer 286 and 386 "protected mode." The advantage to developers would be that applications could be ported directly to OS/2 (not so with Windows applications). Current plans are for a summer (if at all) 1990 release. Many developers have expressed the opinion that PM-Lite will be too little, too late, and have already committed to developing applications for Windows. In a related development, IBM officials say that a future version of OS/2 (1.2) will permit users to disable the DOS compatibility box and other functions such as the print spooler so that the Presentation Manager (and a single application) will run in only 2 Mbytes. - PC Week 30 October and InfoWorld 30 October and 6 November IIgs HyperCard. The rumored IIgs HyperCard (see last August's column) currently is scheduled for delivery by March. The plan is for compatibility with HyperCard 2.0 stacks. Could the long awaited Macintosh FST (File System Translator) be part of the package? Will this product be momentous enough to warrant the planned "splashy announcement" (see last month's column)? - MacWeek 31 October Pocket Encyclopedia. Selectronics, makers of handheld dictionaries and spell checkers, has announced plans for a six ounce, handheld electronic Random House encyclopedia containing 10 Mbytes of information. Selectronics expects to ship during the first quarter of 1990. - Random Access 4 November Unified Unix? AT&T and the rest of the Unix International group have resumed discussions with the rival Open Software Foundation. AT&T which recently introduced Unix System V release 4.0 has expressed an interest in selling its Unix Software Operation. The Open Software Foundation's proposed version, called OSF1, is at least a year away (see last month's column). Common ground between the two groups include the Motif user interface and method for handling multiprocessing. Analysts expect the negotiations to lead to a "Super Unix" with System V.4 as the base operating system and Motif as the user interface. - InfoWorld 6 November and PC Week 13 November NeXTware. Now that the operating system is a reality (see October's column), WordPerfect, Lotus, and Informix have announced plans to develop software for Steve Job's Black Box. Borland, Microsoft, and SAS International are "officially considering" investing in NeXT software. - PC Week 6 November i486 Bugs. By now Intel should be shipping i486 chips without the floating point glitches (problems with some trigonometry routines and zero divide error handling). Although data errors occur only in rare circumstances, users would not necessarily know they had taken place. Mike Swavely of Compaq says he expects everyone's shipments of i486 systems to be delayed until after Christmas. - InfoWorld 30 October i860 Bugs. Unresolved problems with the memory-management unit of Intel's i860 RISC chip may delay workstations (such as Olivetti's) designed around the chip until the second half of 1990. - PC Week 6 November Portable i486. A company named Dolch has announced the first i486-based portable. The unit will have a 100 Mbyte hard disk and three AT type expansion slots. The proposed price is $13,000. - Random Access 11 November Well-Rounded Word Processing. Emerald City Software will soon deliver a $99.95 companion product for the Adobe Type Manager (ATM). Emerald City's Type Align is a desk accessory that permits users to draw an arc or freehand curve to be used as a baseline onto which characters can be directly typed. Type Align can create type that is skewed, has the appearance of being in perspective, along with many other special effects. The program works with all Postscript fonts including Adobe's complete type library. - InfoWorld 6 November Darn Computer. Some observers think that laptop computers look like small sewing machines. According to the Financial Post in Toronto, International Sentinel of Canada has purchased the rights to the Singer name for use on a forthcoming laptop computer. Price and performance are expected to be sew sew. - Random Access 4 November Getting in Edge-wise. Leading Edge returns from Chapter 11 (bankruptcy) with an MCA 80386SX (Model 55 clone), an i486 EISA system, and three laptops (8086, 80286, 80386SX). The computers will be manufactured by Korean-based Daewoo Telcom for delivery in early 1990. - InfoWorld 30 October New Versions of Ventura Publisher. Xerox will follow its announcement of Ventura Publisher for OS/2 with a Windows version as well as an upgrade to the existing GEM DOS product. - PC Week 13 November 1-2-3/G (Continued). The Presentation Manager version of 1-2-3 (see last month's and August's columns) is in beta test. The good news is that it's packed with features that even version 3.0 doesn't have (3-D stacks in as many as five windows, 702 rows by 32,000 columns by 702 sheets, and a utility called the Solver for sophisticated financial modeling). The bad news is the minimum memory requirement is 5 Mbytes! - PC Week 13 November R.I.P. Apple recently buried 2,700 unsold Lisa computers in a Utah landfill. Sun Remarketing purchased nearly 5,000 Lisa's for resale several years ago and continues to support the product, but Apple got a better taxbreak by destroying the one time breakthrough technology computers than by giving them away to schools or third-world countries. - InfoWorld 23 October QuakeWare! Hardware engineers have noted that hard disks are not designed for magnitude seven earthquakes. They warn that Silicon Valley users can expect an unusually large number of hard drive failures in the coming months. Of wider interest is the condition of component drives stored in Northern California warehouses. Thorough testing on delivery and serious attention to disk backup is recommended for any hard drive purchased during the next year that may have been in The Bay area for game three. - PC Week 30 October /s Murph <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu> [Internet] or ...{psuvax1 or mcvax}!uconnvm.bitnet!sewall [UUCP] + Standard disclaimer applies ("The opinions expressed are my own" etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 89 23:04:55 EST From: Jurgenb%UMass.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Quickdraw weirdness First off, thanx to people who answered my question about Datadesk 101 compatibility with QuicKeys. I will order QuicKeys from MacConnection tomorrow. :) Over the last week I wrote a small program to process PICTs in scrapbook files. We are working on some animations with Swivel 3D and Director, and Swivel 3D outputs scrapbook files containing a PICT for each frame of a tween. Basically I needed to do some simple image processing on these PICTs before importing them into Director. My idea was to draw the PICT into an offscreen bitmap (pixmap) and then iterate over all pixels, process them, and store the result in a second bitmap (pixmap). To do this and use Quickdraw calls I would have to switch either ports, or portbits, once for each pixel. When I did this the program ran, but as processing went on the cursor was flickering like mad, and jumping all over the screen. As far as I know, the only reason why that might happen is because interrupts are being disabled somewhere. The strange thing is that it's not in the SetPort or SetPortBits calls, but rather seems to happen when actually drawing into the new port/bitmap/pixmap. It also happens when only the bit image is being changed (by setting baseAddr). I ended up writing my own routines to get and put bits/pixels into bit/pixel images. It wasn't that difficult, but I'm only moving pixels and filling Rects. If my image processing had to do more complicated things, like filling regions, I'd really be peeved at having to duplicate the functionality of Quickdraw... Anyone have any insights into this? What's going on, and are there any work arounds? -Jurgen Botz. jurgenb@umass. bitnet p. s.: I can receive private mail now. Reply either to the net, or to me, and I will summarize. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 89 18:00:33 EST From: jimg@cs.uri.edu (Jim Gallgher) Subject: Running Allegro Lisp in more than 8M with Virtual 2.0 We recently got Virtual 2.0, which allows one to have up to 14M virtual memory. However, Allegro Lisp 1.2.2 crashes when run in anymore than 8M. Does anyone know if Allegro Lisp 1.2.3 fixes this problem (which, from what I can see is do to Allegro's need for contiguous memory -- The 14M that virtual provides is broken into at least two sections). Other than this, Virtual has proved to be very good, esp. w/MultiFinder. James Gallagher Univ. of Rhode Island jimg@cs.uri.edu P.S. System configuration: Mac II, 8M RAM, 300M Wren drive, OS 6.0.2, Finder 6.1 ------------------------------ Date: 03 DEC 89 23:37:52 CST From: Z4610891 <Z4610891%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: SND files ---> Soundmaster files Hello all, I am writing this in hopes that somebody out there can help me find a PD program which will allow me to convert a SND to a Soundmaster file. I am aware of Soundmaster to SND file programs, but have not encountered any SND to Soundmaster programs. Please respond to me directly, I will post a summary to the net. Anthony F Gaudiano <Z4610891@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 89 09:50 EDT From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: Where to get Macintalk. This is the reply that I got when I asked Mac Software licensing group on AppleLink about the availablity of Macintalk. You'll notice that the reply was forwarded from Mac Developer Technical Services, by SW.LICENSE who apparently didn't know how to answer it. The net result is that you have to get Macintalk from APDA. I therefore will NOT be uploading Macintalk to the Archives. >Item forwarded by SW.LICENSE to U0523 > >Item 1631359 20-Nov-89 16:51 > >From: MACDTS Macintosh Developer Tech. Supt. > >To: SW.LICENSE Apple Software License > >Sub: MACINTALK QUESTIONS > >The following are the answers to Paul Jorgensen's questions: > >-Yes! It is the version that Paul patched. >-Yes! It does work on Mac II's. >-(You) must order it through APDA. >-It is not supported by MacDTS in any way, and we recommend that Paul not use >it. Chances are it will break in the future! > >If you there is further information needed, please contact us again! > >Regards, > >Tracy McGee >Macintosh Developer Technical Support Sorry this took so long to resolve. Peter Jorgensen Microcomputer specialist Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346 AppleLink - U0523 BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 89 11:49:57 PST From: bezanson@adobe.com (Brian Bezanson) Subject: Word 4 Patch for Fractional Widths on ImageWriter Here's the patch to make MS Word 4.0 use Fractional Widths on an Image- writer: * Use FEDIT to open the resource fork of MS Word, or use ResEdit to open the resource PCOD 0. * Search for the string 0C6C 0001 370C 6722 302E 0014 4EAC. This string occurs at about EFDA hex in PCOD 0. * Change the 6722 to a 4E71. What does this do? Changing the 6722 (BEQ.S *+22) to 4E71 (NOP) eliminates the branch in the MS Word code that skips the Fractional Width feature if the device is an Imagewriter. Now, choose Commands from the Edit menu, and use the dialog to add the Fractional Widths command to the File menu. Then check off Fractional Widths. Ta-Da. ---- The above message was originally posted on CompuServe by a different user. ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************