Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (12/22/89)
Info-Mac Digest Thu, 21 Dec 89 Volume 7 : Issue 224
Today's Topics:
Apple Canada reorganisation affects User Groups in Canada
Creating Graphs with WingZ ???
Fresh Start 1.6
Gradebook programs
Hiding Inits at Startup
HP PaintJet
image processing query
Incompatible - Claris CAD and IIci built-in Portrait Display
Info-Mac Digest V7 #193
Is there a mail-bridge to MACNET and/or America Online?
MAC-SE problems
Mac IIci compatibility list?
Mac LAN and RS-232 Devices
MSG
MS Word 4.0
New programs deviating from Mac user interface standard
Non-.hqx GIF files. Can Mac's Read them?
Printing PostScript OPTION characters
Request for Info on Jasmine DirectServe...
SND -> Soundmaster files....
SoundMaster 1.3
X windows and Mac client
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 89 09:07:51 AST
From: Peter J Gergely <GERGELY@xx.drea.dnd.ca>
Subject: Apple Canada reorganisation affects User Groups in Canada
Today we found out that Lois Densmore, Apple Canada User Group
Liaison, is being released from Apple as part of an Apple Canada
reorganisation.
Lois was instrumental in bringing Apple II and Macintosh Users Groups
in Canada together. She has accomplished an enormous amount in one
year, and is single handedly responsible for initiating a dialogue
between Canadian User Groups and Apple, and establishing a new era of
trust and cooperation between Apple and Canadian users in general.
Lois is irreplaceable, and MUGNS deeply regrets losing her.
All best wishes for the future from MUGNS, Lois.
As far as the user groups are concerned, WHAT NOW APPLE CANADA?
Peter J. Gergely
President, Macintosh Users Group of Nova Scotia (MUGNS)
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 89 23:55:44 EST
From: Marcelino Bernardo <MBERNAR%ERENJ.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Creating Graphs with WingZ ???
Either I'm being very stupid or I'm looking at a very overated ineffective and
very expensive software. First of all, I'm using a Mac IIci with the built-in
portrait display. I just wanted to do something which I though was very
simple: I had a number of measurements on a number of samples and I wanted
to plot each measurement versus each other to look for any correlation. But,
so far, the only way I've found to do it with WingZ is to create each x-y
pairs as a 2 columns next to each other. This is a big inconvenience. It
forces me to modify my spreadsheet in order to look at different combinations
of x-y plots of my data. Is there an easier way of doing this?
I've done this before with 123 on a PC and it's much easier that with WingZ.
One just selects which column to use for x and for y values in the graph
menu. It ought to be just as easy (or even easier) on a Mac!
Pleases send me you reply directly and I will summarize to the net.
Regards,
mbernar@erenj.bitnet
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Date: Mon Dec 4 16:38:27 1989
From: hammen@lakesys.lakesys.com (Robert J. Hammen)
Subject: Fresh Start 1.6
Enclosed is version 1.6 of Fresh Start, an 'INIT manager' program. This version
fixes some memory management and MultiFinder problems.
[Archived as /info-mac/cdev/fresh-start-16.hqx; 76K]
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 89 22:09 CST
From: <NBEHR%ECNCDC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Gradebook programs
Hello all; I need advice about free/shareware gradebook programs.
We are looking for something easy to use; it doesn't have to be
sophisticated, even though certain features (like dropping lowest
scores, printing histograms etc.) would be welcome. I'm pretty
sure something like that is out there - I even wrote one myself,
but the final product "will be shipping real soon now" :-) I'll
be grateful for pointers, experiences and opinions. Thanks - Eric
Please reply by mail to NBEHR @ ECNCDC.BITNET
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 89 13:31:50 EST
From: "Chris Khoury (Sari's Son)" <3XMQGAA%CMUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Hiding Inits at Startup
Is there a way to hide all the init icons at startup? I am pretty handy wi
th ResEdit, so any help would be appreciated.
Chris Khoury
3XMQGAA@CMUVM.BITNET
Acknowledge-To: <3XMQGAA@CMUVM>
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 89 01:32:45 CST
From: kc_yeo@sngsf1.sinet.slb.com (KC Yeo*Sedco Forex S'pore*Tel-65-345-9944*Fax-65-344-2655)
Subject: HP PaintJet
Hi there, can someone enlighten me :
1) what is the DPI for HP PaintJet printer for the Mac ?
2) what is the interface cable (in the brochure : option number 001,
RS-232-C/CCITT V.24 serial interface, ) like ?
3) how the output on transparency in color like ? acceptable ?
4) what are the software the printer is compatible to ? (with reasonably good
output)
thank you,
Arthur
SINet : KC_YEO@SNGSF1.SINET.SLB.COM
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 89 14:15:49 PST
From: flinchem@beluga.ocean.washington.edu (Ed Flinchem)
Subject: image processing query
I'm looking for a _quantitative_ image analysis/processing tool.
I'm not looking for any sort of slick, color or grey scale
image retouching package. I need software that lets the user get
right down to the numerical values of pixels and muck around with
operations like histogram construction, the pairing of colors
to precise numerical ranges, convolutions, etc.
References to or comments on any such packages, shareware or
commercial, would be appreciated. I will summarize interesting
replies.
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 89 23:24:28 EST
From: Marcelino Bernardo <MBERNAR%ERENJ.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Incompatible - Claris CAD and IIci built-in Portrait Display
I was very dissappointed to to find out that our brand new Mac IIci and
Claris CAD won't work together. It seems that the IIci's built-in video
for portrait display is not handled properly by Claris CAD.
Here are the most obvious symptoms:
- With 100% zoom, the cursor is off 1/2" down and to the right.
- Objects (squares, circles, lines, etc) are displayed with the bottom
right corner missing.
- When scrolling through a large drawing (larger than the screen), new
regions that enter the display window are blank until the zoom is changed.
I've been told that a fix is in the works and should be out in about 2 weeks.
What was even more dissappointing was how much effort it took on my part to
get a confirmation from Claris that there is a problem with this combination.
It took 3 phone calls on my part. The first time, the tech support person
was not even aware of any problems. She said someone would call later in the
day, but no one did. The next day, I called again and this time another person
confirmed that there was a problem and suggested some ridiculous alternatives:
He told me to buy a new display card or buy a 13" RGB monitor. On my third
call, I finally heard what I was expecting to hear in the first place: The
bug is being worked on and a fix should be out soon (2 weeks). BTW, the tech
support person put the blame on Apple for making a last minute revision to
the video display ROM without notifying them.
Well, that's my story. You've been warned. Note that my dealer wasn't aware
of this problem.
BTW, I do love this Mac IIci!!
Regards,
Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.bitnet
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 89 16:29 EST
From: Dragon <MADELBER@midd.cc.middlebury.edu>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #193
I am a computer consultant at Middlebury College and have run into
some difficulty here. We have a lot of Macs and part of my job is
recovery of crashed disks. Previously, we have used Disk First Aid
and SUM to recover files. However, students are now using SE 30s and
formatting the discs as 1.4 meg discs. The programs that we were using
do not work on 1.4 Meg discs(all are set for 400 and 800 K). Are there
any programs that have been released that will recover 1.4 meg discs
Thanks for the help
Marc Adelberger
madelber@midd
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 89 14:06:05 AST
From: Peter J Gergely <GERGELY@xx.drea.dnd.ca>
Subject: Is there a mail-bridge to MACNET and/or America Online?
Does anyone know of a mail bridge between the Internet and MACNET, and
similarly the Internet and America Online. Please reply directly to me
and I will be glad to summarize.
- Peter
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Date: 18 Dec 89 01:00:13 EST
From: Garrett.Pelton@natasha.mach.cs.cmu.edu
Subject: MAC-SE problems
I have a reasonably large Macintosh program that runs on both the MAC II
and the MAC Plus. However It dies in many different ways on a MAC SE. I fixed
some SE problems with calloc but there are still more. The pervasiveness of
the problem could indicate a memory allocation problem. The application
is written in MPW C v 3.1.
Any Ideas or help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Gary
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 89 13:12:39 PST
From: JMUELLER%PPC.MFENET@ccc.nmfecc.gov
Subject: Mac IIci compatibility list?
>From:
The man of a thousand voices,no faces,no ...questions! yeah, that's it!
With the possibility of the purchase of a new Mac II series machine to
run heavy-duty number crunching stress analysis programs rearing it's
attractive and compact head, I would like to know if anyone has put
together a list of programs that don't run on the IIci.
It would be very infuriating if, uppon arrival, I can analyse the hell
out of a magnetic confinement coil, but can't do important stuff like
oh, say, play TETRIS.
I await replies with baited purchase req.
Ad Astra!
Jim Mueller
JMUELLER@PPC.MFEnet via MFEnet
JMUELLER%PPC.MFEnet@NMFECC.LLNL.GOV via Internet
JMUELLER%PPC.MFEnet@LBL.Bitnet via Bitnet
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Date: 18 Dec 89 04:14:25 GMT
From: gallo@zach.fit.edu ( Michael A. Gallo)
Subject: Mac LAN and RS-232 Devices
This posting concerns connecting a Macintosh LAN to a serial (RS-232) Port
++++++++++++
The Scenario
++++++++++++
Members of an academic department at our school have Macintoshes located in
their respective offices. These Macs, which total 12, are interconnected via
LocalTalk. One of the Macs doubles as a disk server. Also, a laser printer
and a modem are part of the Mac LAN.
Independent of this LAN, the department has a single serial (RS-232) connection
to a terminal server. This connection consists of line drivers going through the
campus telephone network and has a transmission rate of 4800 baud. A DEC
Rainbow is presently being used as a terminal for this connection, and is
located in a general purpose room within the department. The terminal server
provides connectivity to various VMS or Unix machines on campus.
++++++++++++++++++++
The Problem/Question
++++++++++++++++++++
The members of this department would like to be able to use this serial
connection, via their office Macintoshes, to access those resources available
on the VMS and Unix machines. They understand that only one person at a time
could use it. Nevertheless, such use would be more convenient than what is
available presently. (Note: We plan to eventually provide a fiber optic
backbone to the building in which these Macintoshes are currently housed.
We further intend to establish an ethernet backbone within this building.
Once this is done a Cayman GatorBox will be purchased to enable communication
between the Mac LAN and our Unix machines. This project, however, will not
be completed for a number of months.) As a result, I am soliciting the
networking community for any suggestions on what would be the most cost
effective and simplest solution to enable the desired capability. Any
assistance that anyone can provide will be well received.
Please respond via email.
Thanks.
Mike Gallo
Florida Institute of Technology
150 W. University Boulevard
Melbourne, FL 32901
(407) 768-8000 x7551
Internet: gallo@zach.fit.edu
UUCP: {...}!pd1!winnie!zach!gallo
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 89 13:25:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Aaron Wohl <aw0g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MSG
For the archives:
This is a Mac Workstation exec to watch and/or simulate incomming and outgoing
message traffic. This tool is helpfull when doing mws development. I wrote it
when I was taking the mac workstation class. The class is good I definetly
recomend it.
MacWorkstation (mws) is an Apple product to let you write mac looking programs
that are controlled from a server host with no mac programming. mws is
obviously
not included, by it from APDA for $100 or so.
The THINK c sources and a compiled executable for MSG are enclosed.
The file is a binhexed stuffit 1.5 file.
Thanks to my employer, Carnigie -Mellon University for allowing me to
distribute
this tool.
Aaron Wohl (aw0g+@andrew.cmu.edu) phone:(412)268-5032
[Archived as /info-mac/misc/macworkstation-msg.hqx; 56K]
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 89 00:25:46 EST
From: Toshi_Shoji@ub.cc.umich.edu
Subject: MS Word 4.0
My friend uses PageMaker3.01 and MS Word4.0. Since PM3.0 does not accept
Word4.0 document, Word4.0 documents should be converted to Word 3.0 format.
However, when he tries to save the document with 3.0 format under the same
name (i.e. write over the old 4.0 document), the program suddenly quits with
the alart box "Word 4.0 unexpectedly quit." It happens 7 or 8 times among
10 trials. I could not find the reason. Is this a program bug?
MaxSE, 2.5MB, RAM Cache off, Multifinder, application memory 1024KB are the
conditions.
If someone knows the reason, please let me know.
Thanks and regards
Toshi Shoji
University of Michigan
Toshi_Shoji@ub.cc.umich.edu (Telenet)
USER6R89@UMICHUB (BITNET)
======GO BLUE! RUN FOR ROSE CHAMP & FOR BO!!=========
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 89 16:20:03 DNT
From: Jakob Nielsen <DATJN%NEUVM1.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: New programs deviating from Mac user interface standard
The January 1990 issue of MacWorld contained two screen designs that disturbed
me as a user interface professional.
The first was MacPhoneBook from Synex (p. 206) which used radio buttons for a
list where the user was allowed to select more than one item and which should
therefore have used check boxes. This deviation from the user interface
standard is not a disaster but does indicate sloppy work.
A more problematic design is CanOpener from Abbott Systems (p. 217) which uses
a new design for basic dialog elements like scroll bars, buttons, and window
headers. The reviewer stated that "it's a bit confusing when first viewed" -
and we certainly don't need confusion about the fundamental parts of the
Macintosh user interface.
I hope that Macintosh developers will not succumb to similar cases of "NeXT
envy" and deviate from the Apple human interface guidelines. Maybe the Mac
interface is due for an update, but a redesign should be based on careful human
factors work to provide users with increased usability or enhanced
functionality and not just on getting a "modern look" to be different from
everybody else.
Jakob Nielsen, Technical University of Denmark
Department of Computer Science, DK-2800 Lyngby Copenhagen, DENMARK
Tel: +45-31-38 23 20 or +45-42-88 15 66. Fax: +45-42-88 22 39
Email: datJN@NEUVM1.bitnet OR jn@iddth.dk OR nielsen.chi@xerox.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 89 16:18 EST
From: KSBOLDUAN%AMHERST.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Subject: Non-.hqx GIF files. Can Mac's Read them?
Looking around the anonymous FTP logins, I found lots of GIF files in
various archives. However, they're not in .hqx format so that I can't
transfer them to my Mac. I FTP on my school's VAX, and would like to
have these GIF files. Is there anyway that I can convert them to Mac GIF
files? Or is there another FTP site that has a bunch of GIF files that
are already .hqx-ed (like sumex-aim)?
Thanks,
Kevin Bolduan '91 Amherst College
KSBOLDUAN@AMHERST Bitnet Address
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Date: 17 Dec 89 09:05:27 GMT
From: adobe!!gelphman@decwrl.dec.com (David Gelphman)
Subject: Printing PostScript OPTION characters
>From: "Roger Marks, NIST, Boulder, CO. 303-497-3037" <MARKS@enh.nist.gov>
...
>I found out long ago that Postscript files are not true ASCII files, since
>they use 8-bit character representation. The eighth bit is set whenever a
>character is generated using the "option" key. If you transfer Mac
>Postscript files to another machine using a file transfer which doesn't
>include all 8 bits, you will find that the "option" characters are translated
>into their "un-option" counterparts.
...
>connected to a Sun which refuses to print the option characters. Somewhere
>along the line, the 8th bit is being chopped. Now, I know that the 8th bit
>really does exist in the Postscript files which reside on the Sun, since I
>can >ftp them to another machine where they print fine.
>
>So the question is, where am I losing the 8th bit? Could it be in the "lpr"
...
> Roger Marks
This message is a bit confusing to me since I thought that the Apple
LaserWriter driver produced more portable output than this. Perhaps you
are using an older version of the driver. I just looked at a file produced
by LaserWriter driver version 6.0 and option characters were handled
differently than you indicated. My first advice would be to upgrade to
either LaserWriter driver 5.2 or (better yet) LaserWriter driver 6.0.
Let me discuss the overall problem which hopefully will help understand
this issue. You say:
>I found out long ago that Postscript files are not true ASCII files, since
>they use 8-bit character representation.
This statement is not true. The PostScript language was devised so
that any page description can be specified completely using the printable
ASCII character set and newline characters. No 8 bit character codes are
necessary (although they CAN be specified).
It is strongly discouraged to use any 8 bit characters OR control
codes since their use impairs the portability of those page descriptions.
Since you have a PostScript language driver which uses 8 bit control codes
you have encountered two of the problems which make clear the lack of
portability of such files.
Problem one is that these files need to be transfered from one system
to another carefully since many protocols don't preserve 8 bit values. You
have solved that problem.
The second problem is that sending page descriptions with 8 bit values
or control codes in them can be problematic when the communications channel
between the host and the PostScript printer isn't transparent to such
characters. This is the case with serial connections (which is likely the
means used to connect the printer to a Sun system). It is possible to
use a serial connection with 7 or 8 bits, even, odd, or no parity and clearly
some of these combinations are not transparent to 8 bit numbers. To solve
this problem you will have to talk with your system administrator responsible
for the connection to the printer.
As I indicated above, I believe more recent versions of Apple's LaserWriter
driver is cleaner regarding the generation of 8 bit characters.
I hope this information helps.
David Gelphman
Adobe Systems Incorporated
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 89 12:04:59 CST
From: Michael Farlow--Texas A&M Graphics Lab <X098MF%TAMVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Request for Info on Jasmine DirectServe...
Howdy Mac Enthusiasts!!
I have an urgent request for some info---It has come to my attention
that the people that make the decisions on the purchasing of equipment
for our labs here at A&M are looking into an alternative file serving
hardware (other than dedicating a Mac with AppleShare) such as the
Jasmine DirectServe (I think that is the correct name). What I would
like from you all is any information its track record, pros/cons,
opinions of using such an item, and anything else you want to comment
about it.
I would also like to know how easy it is to install and maintain
compared to AppleShare. Speaking of AppleShare, does the DirectServer
use this or does it use its own flavor of file serving software?
If you could e-mail this info direct to me within the next week
(today is 12/15), I would surely appreciate it. A summarization to
the digest will also be submitted.
BTW: I should mention that these will be going into public access labs
that have an average of 25-30 Macs (pluses and SE's mainly) with a user
throughput of about 80-100 users/per day.
Thanks in advance,
-=- -=- -=-
-=-Michael Farlow (409)845-1365 -=- X098MF @ TAMVM1.Bitnet -=-
-=-Texas A&M Univ. Graphics Lab -=- X098MF @ TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU -=-
-=- -=- -=-
Disclaimer: What was said previously is my responsibility and can not be
construed as the thoughts, policy, position, etc, of Texas A&M University
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Date: 15 DEC 89 18:34:47 CST
From: Z4610891 <Z4610891%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: SND -> Soundmaster files....
Hello all,
I am writing this letter to say thanks to all those who wrote me and told
me about SoundLeech. This is a great program for converting SND's to
Soundmaster files. I only have but one regret, this application only looks
for STAK's, rsrc's, APPL's or MAC's. It does not even allow me to convert
the SND's directly from the System file, I must first convert the SND's
to one of the four before I can convert to Soundmaster format. However,
this is but a minor inconvenience. Thanks again.
Anthony F Gaudiano <Z4610891@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 89 18:32:11 PST
From: Barrett P. Eynon <barry@playfair.stanford.edu>
Subject: SoundMaster 1.3
Version 1.3 of the SoundMaster cdev. Put in your System Folder, then access
through the Control Panel. Plays sound files (not 'snd ' resources) at
various events such as start up, shutdown, restart, disk insert, etc.
Shareware. Version 1.3 adds some enhancements from version 1.2. Requires
Stuffit for offline decoding.--Mike Stith
[Archived as /info-mac/sound/programs/soundmaster-13.hqx; 34K]
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 89 15:28:32 EST
From: daap10@uchcx
Subject: X windows and Mac client
HiHo:
Here's an interesting one...
We're running Unix on a Harris HCX, whose Unix distribution comes with
X windows software. Assuning we are running the standard X server,
is there Mac software that will allow the Mac to be a client of an X server
on the same internet?
Dislaimer: My opinion does not necessarily represent that of my employer
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
David Charles Todd|***Computer Graphics***|University of Cincinati, College of
daap10@uchcx.san.uc.edu|****Center****|Design, Architecture, Art, and Planning
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
If a mail reply bounces, send to peterson@ucunix.san.uc.edu
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