Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (01/12/90)
Info-Mac Digest Thu, 11 Jan 90 Volume 8 : Issue 6
Today's Topics:
AppleShare Server and Network Bridge
Can Kermit support scripting?
Clearing HyperCard Mouse Clicks
for Bob Bolt, re interleaves
HyperCard Datebook Fix
Info-Mac Digest V7 #225
Information services
Inside Macintosh Updates
Inside Mac Updates ?
Mac Plus Desktop picture INITs
On the Road Again
QA & TN stacks 3.2.1
Question about 'SND ' and Sounds
RE> Mac II 800K Floppy
Request for suggestions on multi-vendor LAN
SOUND MANAGER
Stereo 3D Demo Software
SuperClock 3.8 does not work
to Judith T Frawley, re FoxBase 2.0
Trojan Horse???? A new one
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 90 09:33:34 MDT
From: "Bruce A. Carter" <DUSCARTE@idbsu.idbsu.edu>
Subject: AppleShare Server and Network Bridge
Greetings,
We have recently been gifted with an SE/30 with 4M/80M to use as a file
server in our lab. What I want to do is run AppleShare File Service,
AppleShare Print Service, and run the AppleTalk Internet Router to connect
our LocalTalk network here in the lab to the Ethernet running through the
building (and out to the Internet). We have 3-Com EtherLink cards in other
machines and are looking into getting an SE/30 model.
Questions: Does anyone know for sure if this will work? Does anyone know
for sure that this will not work? Does anyone have any comments or thoughts
they'd like to pass on to me? Would anyone like a mint?
Thanks for any information. If responders would mail information to me
directly, I will summarize it for the net as well as give a progress report
when/if we get this working (we have not yet ordered the software pending
results here, but the lab is already LocalTalked and I have Ethernet to this
machine (IIcx)).
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Date: 9 Jan 90 16:50 EST
From: WMLBTAM%UCCCVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Can Kermit support scripting?
Date: 9 January 1990, 16:37:18 EST
>From: WMLBTAM at UCCCVM1
To: INFO-MAC at SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU
Subj: Can Kermit support scripting?
The latest version of Kermit for the Mac we can find is v.9(40), which won't
support scripting. We have an application "Grateful Med" for both the pc and
the Mac (two versions!) which communicates with an application on the host
at the National Library of Medicine, to provide a front-end to the MEDLINE
bibliographic data base. Unfortunately, Grateful Med has HAYES commands
hard coded into the telecommunications module. We have a digital PBX which
doesn't know Hayes AT commands from Rosanne Barr.
A software engineer at NLM suggested trying to connect through the digital
phone switch through Kermit, and then use a script to launch Grateful Med,
which, finding the line already set up, would go ahead and do its thing with
its host.
Unfortunately(again!) the latest Kermits we have are Mac .9(40) and pc 2.28,
neither of which support scripting--so we can't even do it under SoftPC with
the pc version!
Anybody out there have/have a pointer to later versions of Kermit for Mac
(preferable) or pc (still be happy) which DO support scripting, a la Procomm
(pc), Red Ryder, etc.?
Thanks for any help...
Ted
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University of Cincinnati Medical Center | Cincinnati, OH 45267-0574
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..My Ethernet cabling gets hung this month, I hope...
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 90 12:28:08 MDT
From: "Bruce A. Carter" <DUSCARTE@idbsu.idbsu.edu>
Subject: Clearing HyperCard Mouse Clicks
To get rid of unwanted mouseclicks following a pause or lengthy event,
you can put a "wait until the mouseclick is false" after the long event.
This will effectively toss all spurious mouseclicks up to the time the
statement is executed. After all the clicks are gone, the script can
continue and other mouseclicks will be handled normally.
Bruce A. Carter, Courseware Development Coordinator Boise State University
"It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer" 1910 University Drive
========================================================/ Boise, ID 83725
InterNet/Domain: duscarte@idbsu.idbsu.edu / (208) 385-1250 or 1859
UUCP: sun!portal!cup.portal.com!Bruce_Alan_Carter /========================
CREN (BITNet): duscarte@idbsu / CompuServe: 76666,511
AppleLink: U0919 / America OnLine: BACarter
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 90 01:59:21 EST
From: james@niaid.nih.gov
Subject: for Bob Bolt, re interleaves
I suspect the undocumented<command>I feature in Apple's HDSC Setup is
there NOT to tell you what interleave a hard drive is already formatted to, nor
what it will be formatted to if you format it at the time, but so you can force
a specific interleave yourself. HDSC Setup chooses the interleave based on the
machine it is running on, but it can't compensate for speedup cards and such.
IWith the right speedup card, both a Plus and an SE can support 1:1 interleave,
but unless you force HDSC Setup to use 1:1 you'll never get it. That may be
why it showed 1:1 every time you tried it.
I don't know whether LaCie's SilverLining will show you the interleave
of a drive it didn't format, but I do know that you can buy it by itself. It
comes bundled with LaCie hard disks but they sell it separately, as they do for
their other software. I used to own a copy, but I sold it because it only
works with SCSI hard disks, which aren't what I have.
The drive that claimed it should run at 6:1 on a Plus and 3:1 on an SE
was probably a very large and very fast drive. Apple's 3/2/1:1 suggestions
work for most drives, but it's possible for a drive to be big enough and fast
enough that even more interleave is needed. If you must make this choice, you
are MUCH better off with an interleave that's too higgh than with one that's too
low.
-James Austin
Fancy Signature: What fancy signature? I'm new!
Disclaimer: I Nothing to disclaim. I'm unemployed.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 90 09:23:15 MDT
From: "Bruce A. Carter" <DUSCARTE@idbsu.idbsu.edu>
Subject: HyperCard Datebook Fix
Apple has posted a fix for the HyperCard Datebook problem. Apparently the
bug is due to the fact that 1990 starts on Monday (beats me, I didn't
analyze the code). Here is the post:
In the stack script, change the "goweekly" handler from:
set lockScreen to true
find startOfWeek(myDate) in bkgnd field "WeekSecs"
to:
set lockScreen to true
go bg "Weekly"
find startOfWeek(myDate) in bkgnd field "WeekSecs"
Also in the stack script, change the GoSixMonthly handler from:
visual effect zoom open
find thisHalfYear(myDate) in bkgnd field "MySecs"
to:
visual effect zoom open
go bg 1
find thisHalfYear(myDate) in bkgnd field "MySecs"
According to Sandy Melnik, Apple HyperCard Test Engineer, these fix the
problem. If they don't work, don't flame me, I'm just passing them on.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 90 12:30:20 PST
From: Richard_DeArmond@cc.sfu.ca
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #225
I sent my Jasmine in for major repairsit crashed after 14 months, and it took
me four months to get it back plus many unanswered letters, and being re-
routed to an answering machine, that they do not respond to. Sorry you had
to learn about Jasmine the hard way. I understand that there are many of us
out there in the same boat.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 90 17:04 CST
From: Dan Lunderville <ACS_DANL%uwrf.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Information services
I am considering a subscription to one of the information services like
CompuServe, GEnie, etc. I would be interested in comments any of you may have
regarding these different services, particularly as relates to the Macintosh.
I am aware of the basic pricing structures and how they compare. Other than
pricing, what are the major advantages and disadvantages of each? How about
strengths and weaknesses? Is one clearly superior in terms of the availability
of Mac information and programs? What about gateways to other services?
Any information you can provide would be useful and appreciated. Any responses
that I receive directly will be summarized for the net.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Dan Lunderville
University of Wisconsin - River Falls
BITNET: ACS_DANL@UWRF <--- note underbar not dash in address
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 90 12:35:27 MDT
From: "Bruce A. Carter" <DUSCARTE@idbsu.idbsu.edu>
Subject: Inside Macintosh Updates
Rumor has it that the complete set is being rewritten. I do not know
how reliable this rumor is. However, I have heard it from several
different places (which, of course, doesn't make it any more reliable).
Bruce A. Carter, Courseware Development Coordinator Boise State University
"It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer" 1910 University Drive
========================================================/ Boise, ID 83725
InterNet/Domain: duscarte@idbsu.idbsu.edu / (208) 385-1250 or 1859
UUCP: sun!portal!cup.portal.com!Bruce_Alan_Carter /========================
CREN (BITNet): duscarte@idbsu / CompuServe: 76666,511
AppleLink: U0919 / America OnLine: BACarter
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 90 16:57:33 EST
From: Jurgenb%UMass.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Inside Mac Updates ?
In a recent posting to the Mac Developer's Forum on Compu$erve, an Apple
employee stated that he/she was responsible for "a complete rewrite" of the
Inside Macintosh documentation set, and was asking for comments and requests.
I posted my two cents worth, but I don't know if they are still taking more
input. There was no indication as to how soon we may see such a rewrite, but
there were hints that an on-line version is being considered (I also asked
for that, and if we get one in the next two years, I'll be one happy camper).
Cheers.
Icon and Jurgen Botz
signature Internet: JurgenB@UMass.bitnet (possibly temporary)
should be Compuserve: 70531,600 (70531.600@compuserve.com)
here. Some Voice: US (413) 256-8610
day! sigh. Snail Mail: 11 S. Prospect St., Amherst, MA 01002, USA
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 89 09:31:20 CST
From: mka@teller.cray.com (Mark Anderson)
Subject: Mac Plus Desktop picture INITs
Howdy,
I wrote a while ago requesting an INIT for my Mac Plus to set the desktop
pattern to that of a PICT or a MacPaint file, or whatever. Here are some of the
responses I got..
mjkobb@media-lab.media.mit.edu writes--
You need "Backdrop 2.16" by Tim Maroney. It is available for anonymous
ftp from sumex. You put the init in your system folder, and MacPaint or
StartupScreen-format images in a folder called "Screens" (also in the System
Folder), and Backdrop will pick one at random at each startup. If you put
in just one, you'll always get that one.
============
"Adam J. Overton" <FXAJO%ALASKA.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> writes--
You info-mac'd a message about a desktop PICT picture. The program you
might try is Backgrounder. I saw it on a friend's machine, so I don't know
much about it. I played with it a little, and it looked like there might be
some problems with other DAs. Since I have a Mac II with a fair number of
DAs, (five Meg of RAM helps) I didn't bother. Anyway, he seemed pretty happy
with it, so good luck!
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<PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> (Peter Jorgensen) writes--
There is an INIT in the archives called DeskPicture.HQX that does what you
want, I believe. You might also check out DeskPict-Package.hqx.
The correct name for the first file is DESKPICT.HQX.
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Thanks to everyone who responded. As it turns out, Backdrop is the only one
that I have found that works for the Mac Plus. I have some troubles with
running Photo Shop (it exits due to limited memory) and I have had some
compatability problems with Superclock!. Otherwise, it is a decent init and
I would probably recommend it. Jeff Meredith (meredith@erl.mit.edu) was kind
enough to pass along his favorite screens and since I like them a lot myself
I thought I'd upload them to sumex.
So enjoy, and happy holidays.
--Mark A.
(mka@teller.cray.com)
[Archived as /info-mac/art/various-macplus-desktops.hqx; 103K]
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 90 15:40:15 pst
From: casey%jplmrs.span@witch.jpl.nasa.gov (Daren Casey 300-213 x9478)
Subject: On the Road Again
ZAK asks about transfers from the tandy wp-2 to macs and, in general, about
laptops, writing, and transfers. while i don't know anything specifically
about the wp-2, it sounds like one of those chimeras that won't do anything
well. I wonder how big and heavy it is... i have been quite happy with my old
tandy model 200, which has a footprint of about 8.5x11 inches and weighs a
couple of pounds. about all i miss is a disk drive, as it only has 72k of
memory. i think the tandy is the MAXimum size and weight a full-function
laptop should be (are you listening Apple?). otherwise, why bother?
i use the tandy for typing and for data collection in the field. it's an easy
matter to transfer data via a basic program on the tandy through Versaterm-Pro
onto the mac. i transfer text by just sending the file through the text editor
on the tandy into Versaterm-Pro. this can be done, of course, in either
direction. i'm sure many other terminal emulators can do the same. for big
files and to save data forever, the tandy has a cassette port that is easy to
use. While i'm on the subject, does anyone know if one can replace the memory
chips in a tandy 200 with more capacious chips? currently the maximum of 72k
is allocated to 3 banks of 24k which are in turn made up of 3*8k RAM that may
be of the type HM6264LFP-12, HM6264LFP-15, HM6264LP-10, HM6264LP-12, HM6264LP-
15, or some combination. my documentation is not specific, and hey, i'm a
geologist, what do you expect? if one could up the memory to a meg or more,
it would be an even more useful machine. Disclaimer: maybe Tandy's listening:
with all that good press, they should give me something good.
Tom Farr
Jet Propulsion Lab
Pasadena, CA
SPAN- 5258::FARR
Internet- FARR%5258.SPAN@VLSI.JPL.NASA.GOV
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1990 19:06:26 PST
From: The Moderators <Info-Mac-Request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Subject: QA & TN stacks 3.2.1
I have placed the new Questions & Answers and Technical Notes stacks from
Apple in the /apple/stacks directory. The QA stack is about 300 K while the
TN stack is close to two megs.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 90 16:35:50 est
From: Bruce_Kahn@dgc.mceo.dg.com
Subject: Question about 'SND ' and Sounds
CEO summary:
Im relatively new to the Mac world and have a quick question for
the local Mac gurus concerning 'SND ' resources and Sounds files.
How do I go about importing/exporting 'SND ' resources to and from
individual sound files? I know how to use ResEdit to some degree
(mostly for DLOGs and DITLs though) if it is necessary.
Also, can someone enlighten me on the different types of sound file
formats (ie SoundCap, Sound Manager, Mac CD, etc); general
explainations will be fine but the more detailed, the better.
Thanks in advance.
Bruce (KAHN@ADAM.DG.COM)
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Date: 9 Jan 90 16:56:04
From: Wolfgang Naegeli <Wolfgang_Naegeli.ED_TSRS@qm01.ctd.ornl.gov>
Subject: RE> Mac II 800K Floppy
REGARDING RE> Mac II 800K Floppy
Fred Seaton - WIU 309-298-1681 <MUCM000%ECNCDC.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu)
writes:
> Does anyone know if there is documented trouble with the original
> 800K Floppy drive on the Mac II?
> My boss has a Lisa that had a 400K floppy and is now upgraded to the
> 800K and sometimes the Mac II can read the Lisa disks, but if it
> writes on them, the Lisa will NEVER read the floppy unless it
> re-formats it.
We have experienced exactly the same problem.
> But what distresses me the most, is that disks from a Plus or SE
> are frequently becoming unreadable.
Yes, this one too. Is it possible that this has something to do with System
Software 6.0? I don't think we experienced that so often with earlier versions,
but that's only a gut feeling. I haven't had it happen to me under
6.0.4 yet, but then I have only used it for a few weeks.
Wolfgang N. Naegeli
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Internet: wnn@ornl.gov Bitnet: wnn@ornlstc
Phone: 615-574-6143 Fax: 615-574-3895
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 90 16:05:06 EST
From: RGRE%MTUS5.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Request for suggestions on multi-vendor LAN
I am looking for some suggestions or insights for a networking project I'm
working on. Our Publications/Photo Services department would like to have
their various hardware communicate with each other, mostly for file transfers.
The type of equipment involved includes: three Mac SEs, a Zenith PC, two
IBM PS2/70s, two okidata printers, a laser printer, and a Compugraphic
Intergrator which serves as a front-end to a MCS 8400 Typsetter.
Currently, these machines (excluding the Macs) are on-line with a UNISYS
mainframe and communication is acheived through upoloading and downloading
files through the mainframe.
My goal is to network these various machines together directly and eliminate
the requirement of going through the mainframe. Can anyone give me any
helpful suggestions of what hardware and/or software might work best in this
type of configuration? Any insight on systems that I should avoid would also
be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 90 13:37:10 SST
From: TNG TaiHou <ISSTTH%NUSVM.BITNET@rice.edu>
Subject: SOUND MANAGER
This question concerns the sound manager.
I know that the SM has 4 distinct and simultaneous voices.
Has anybody written code to do that? This is necessary for experimenting
with background music and leaving at least one voice for special effects
so that the music need not be killed to have the effects.
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 89 08:00:20 EET
From: Juri Munkki <jmunkki@kampi.hut.fi>
Subject: Stereo 3D Demo Software
This is version 1.0 of the Sega 3D glasses sample software.
This program demonstrates the capabilities of the Sega 3D glasses
interface. It should be used with the glasses and the interface. There
are four different demos. Think C 4.0 source code is included.
For those in Scandinavia, this file is also available with anonymous
ftp from vega.hut.fi in pub/mac/finnish/sega. Although you can reach
vega from any internet site, overseas connections are not recommended
unless absolutely necessary.
_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
| Juri Munkki jmunkki@hut.fi jmunkki@fingate.bitnet I Want Ne |
| Helsinki University of Technology Computing Centre My Own XT |
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
[Archived as /info-mac/demo/sega-3d-glasses.hqx; 103K]
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 90 15:46:24 CST
From: umbaugh@evax.arl.utexas.edu (David Umbaugh)
Subject: SuperClock 3.8 does not work
A day or two ago I copied SuperClock from the Sumex-Aim archives and
unstuffed it with Stuffit. Yesterday I moved it to my System Folder
and restarted. No SuperClock. Get Info showes it's "kind" as
"document" and it has no creator. The Stuffit archive display shows
it to be a "cdev" and also shows a creator. Today I ftp'd a new copy.
Same result. Fortunately I found a copy of the previous SuperClock
version in a copy of my system file I had saved on a file server.
Moving that into the system foldor gave me the clock display back.
Anyone else see this problem? Anyone have a solution?
L. David (Dave) Umbaugh, Computer Science Engineering, University of
Texas at Arlingon, PO Box 19015 Arlington, TX 76012, (817) 273-3628
<umbaugh@evax.utarl.edu> Formerly <umbaugh@evax.arl.utexas.edu> or
<CS_UMBAUGH@EVAX.ARL.UTEXAS.EDU> or
<umbaugh@hcx.arl.utexas.edu>
<B652LDU@UTARLG> BITNET
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 90 02:13:58 EST
From: james@niaid.nih.gov
Subject: to Judith T Frawley, re FoxBase 2.0
I spent the summer working with FoxBase+/Mac 2.0, and I put quite a
dent in my desk (with my head) before I solved that same problem (Set Fields
not working). What you are doing wrong is expecting the program to work the
way the documentation says it does... B-)
Set Fields actually DOES work exactly as it should; it's Browse that
doesn't. When you issue the Set Fields command, it does indeed set the visible
fields as you want them set. Unfortunately, the Browse command in the menu
(and also, I believe, double-clicking on the alias in the View window) does NOT
do a Browse! It does a Browse Last, which displays the file the way it was
LAST displayed, regardless of WHAT changes you made to the setup since then!
If you open the Command window and leave it at the bottom of your
screen, you can see the raw text equivalent of the commands you give using the
Mac interface. This will show you exactly what I mean about Browse and Browse
Last. The only workaround I can remember right now is to Browse by typing
Browse into the Command window and not using any of the Mac shortcuts.
I didn't find this on my own; tech support explained it to me. They
knew exactly what was happening halfway through my description; I think they
get a lot of calls aboutt this. However, they protest that this is in fact the
way things SHOULD work, though they admit they changed it after all the docs
were already printed.
Despite this, I really liked FoxBase, though I wish they had given the
programmers the week off while they proofread the docs. There is one other
very similar "gotcha" which you may run into later. Alas, I haven't done much
work with FoxBase for a few months and I don't remember exactly what it is...
-James Austin
Fancy signature: What fancy signature? I'm new!
Disclaimer:Nothing to disclaim. I'm unemployed.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 90 15:22 EST
From: FRIEDMAN@anchor.rutgers.edu
Subject: Trojan Horse???? A new one
I recently saw a posting about two new sharewares, JCremote and Mac II
Diagnostic Sound. After unBinHexing and Unstuffing them, I did what most of
would, I checked for viruses using SAM Virus Clinic 1.3. No known viruses were
detected. I tried the Mac II Diagnostic Sound and then installed JCremote. As
I installed JCremote into my system folder SAM 1.3 warned me about attempts to
modify the system file, however, this is not uncommon with a CDEV or RDEV.
After installing it, I opened the chooser and selected JCremote. The system
froze. When I rebooted the computer the computer started to launch, but the
crashed. There was no bomb or any message, just a blank screen. After
rebooting with a floppy and checking with Disinfectant 1.5, the system file was
noted as having a damaged resource fork. This meant I had to install a new one.
I am not sure which of the two mentioned files are the culprit. The first time
it happened I heard a sound which sounded like one of the Mac II Diagnostic
Sound sounds and the freeze occurred when I tried running JCremote.
Rich
Friedman@biovax
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