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Info-Mac Digest Fri, 2 Mar 90 Volume 8 : Issue 42 Today's Topics: Desktop Manager Disabling automounting of Ashare volumes DTP on Macs Easy Cross-Referencing in MS Word Ehman 19" displays HyperCard for DOS??? I don't like SPAMM LaserWriter Mailing Labels for Word 4.0 Mac Programming Questions? MACWEEK ADDRESS MicroPhone II Scripts Mission Impossible Sounds Murph's VAPORWARE column for March 1990 Priority When Laserprinting? Start-up screens StuffIt batching Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indicies are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Feb 90 22:24:56 GMT From: rock@sun.com (Bill Petro - SunOS Marketing) Subject: Desktop Manager Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@vm.tcs.tulane.edu> writes: >I recently put the Desktop Manager from Appleshare 2 into my System Folder on >my non-networked IIcx (4/80, 6.0.3) and also on a non-networked Plus. It >does seem to improve Finder performance, and tho' the Encyclopedia says >Apple doesn't recommend this, they didn't warn against it. Does anyone >know of any problems? One minor glitch is that the icons of a number of >cdevs and applications go generic. I fixed this on the IIcx (rebuilt >desktop etc.) but on the Plus the Vaccine syringe seems to be gone forever. >The programs still work, tho'. Try using BundAid. It will fix the bundle bit and the correct icons will show upon next boot. Caveat: if you boot from a floppy that doesn't have Desktop Manager, it will try to rebuild the Desktop on your hard disk (if you're using DM and have deleted the Desktop file). Bill Petro {decwrl,hplabs,ucbvax}!sun!Eng!rock "UNIX for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" Matthew 19:12 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 90 09:51:20 EST From: "Bret Ingerman 315-443-1114" <INGERMAN%SUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Disabling automounting of Ashare volumes Hello all. I run a mac lab that is part of a larger campus-wide network with many zones and servers. I have all of our start-up disks set to auto- mount our own server. But here is the problem: When some of our users ned to mount other servers temporarily, they do so by checking the box that indicates that they wish to always mount this volume at startup time. When another user gets this disk later in the day (or week), they don't know what to do. I usually just go in and replace the appleshare prep file, but I would rather get rid of the check box permanently. I poked around in it with ResEdit, but couldn;t seem to find where the little guy is located. Please respond directly to me if you have any suggestions or other work arounds, and I will summarize for the net. Bret Ingerman ingerman@suvm.acs.syr.edu Microcomputer Consultant ingerman@suvm.bitnet Syracuse University Academic Computing services (315) 443-1114 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 90 19:54:37 GMT From: Donald Peterson <PetersonDM%computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk> Subject: DTP on Macs I have to produce camera ready copy of a book in the house style of the Harvester publishing company. I have a Mac IIcx, and access to a LaserPrinter. My concern is to produce high-quality hardcopy acceptable to the pubisher. Before I obtained the Mac, I used LaTeX, and this was very non-WISIWIG and a lot of work, but did produce a very attractive result. What I've managed to produce with Word4 doesn't look quite as good. I think the reason is that Knuth's paragraph-formatting, kerning, and hyphenation algorithms, and the ligatures, in LaTeX are exceptional, and so my question is whether the same sort of result can be produced on a Mac. (I do have OzTeX -- TeX for the Mac -- but the non-WISIWIG problem is still there in a big way.) I've heard of various DTP programs for the Mac, but I haven't seen them in action. Ideally I'd like to use something standard like Word4, but obtain the sort of appearance which LaTeX produces. I don't mean to say that LaTeX is wonderful, rather that there seems no reason in principle why a WISIWIG system shouldn't do the same. I'd be very grateful for any information about this, and also whether there is a bulletin board, or news service about the Mac which I could access over the email. A last question: does the LaserWriter look like staying with us as the main Apple printer, or is another on the way? I'm thinking of buying one, but I heard that Apple are thinking of `outline-fonts' as a new system. Thanks, Donald Peterson. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 90 11:58 CST From: Fred Schulz <CHEE77@uhvax1.uh.edu> Subject: Easy Cross-Referencing in MS Word Cross-Referencing in Word ------------------------- by Fred Schulz It's pretty easy to use the print merge feature of word to cross reference equations, figures, tables, etc. You just "name" your equations, and then reference them by name throughout the document. Your names are print merge symbols, for example, <<fig1>>, <<fig2>>, etc. You keep an associated print merge file which contains all the names in the first record of the file, and the corresponding numbers in the second and last record of the file. Then you print merge your final copy (probably to a new file so you can tweak page breaks, etc), and let print merge do the work of the global substitutions. For example, equations,e1,e2,e3,e4,e5,e6,e7,e8,e9,e10,e11,figures,f1,f2,f3,f4,f5,tables,... equations,(1),(2),(3),(4),(5),(6),(7),(8),(9),(10),(11),figures,1,2,3,4,5, tables,... is a sample print merge data document. Now in my paper I write As shown in Eq. <<e1>>, compare this to the data shown in Fig. <<f2>>, etc... When I print merge the merge symbols are replaced by the appropriate numbers. It's now easy to move or insert equations in the original document. Say I needed to add an equation between 2 and 3. I'd just put its name there and add a number at the end of the equation list. The new merge file would look like equations,e1,e2,e2-2,e3,e4,e5,e6,e7,e8,e9,e10,e11,figures,f1,f2,f3,f4,f5, tables,...,references,... equations,(1),(2),(3),(4),(5),(6),(7),(8),(9),(10),(11),(12),figures,1,2,3,4,5, tables,...,references,... I used e1, e2, etc, in this example, based on their original position in the document - you might prefer to use names related to the equations themselves. After you have alot of equations, it can become tedious to count the number of eqs, figs, etc, so you can use the word count utility to do it for you. Just select the list of equation names and do a word count. If you do use this technique, avoid periods and spaces in your equation names, as they are word delimiters and will make one equation name count as 2 words. Using this procedure makes it pretty easy to do cross-referencing. It's similar to the method used by more sophisticated utilities like Wordref, but you do the book keeping manually here, with the advantage the only application you need is Word itself. I hope this is helpful and that I have explained the procedure reasonably well. Good luck with it. -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 90 20:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Braddock John Hathaway <bh11+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Ehman 19" displays I'm interested in getting an Ehman display, but I'd still like to keep my color display. Does anyone know of any sort of problems with hooking up the two of them at the same time? I've also heard (read) some discussion on the net about "watch out how many slots you use up, and how much power you're consuming >From the Nubus slots" (things that sop up a lot of power can apparently do REALLY nasty things to your system when set up at the same time). Do I have to worry about this with a 256 color card and a card driving a two page display? Thanks, Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 90 16:32 EST From: I'd rather BHERSEY <BHERSEY@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu> Subject: HyperCard for DOS??? Does anybody know if there is a decent hypercard-like environment for the IBM/MS-DOS world? If so, is it any good? Has anybody heard a rumor that such a package might be forthcoming? Please reply to the address above, and I will summarize to the net. Thanks in Advance! David Hersey Oberlin College, OH. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 90 20:37:32 EST From: Rick Zaccone <zaccone@sol.bucknell.edu> Subject: I don't like SPAMM Several months ago I obtained a demo copy of SPAMM -- System Program for Accelerated Macintosh Mathematics. SPAMM is a cdev that you drop into your System Folder, and after rebooting, you can turn it off or on from your control panel. SPAMM replaces the standard Apple Numerics Package (SANE) on the Mac Plus or SE. It is produced by Bravo Technologies in Berkeley CA who claim that it will double the speed of floating point aritmetic on a Plus or SE. Before testing the claims about SPAMM's speed, I decided it was better to begin by checking the accuracy. The results are very interesting. SANE uses a radix 2 representation for floating point numbers, with a 64 bit fraction, and a 15 bit exponent. It can represent floating point numbers in the range [10~-4916, 10~4931]. The 64 bit fraction gives about 20 decimal digit precision. SPAMM also uses a base 2 representation. However, it uses a 53 bit fraction and an 11 bit exponent, and can thus represent numbers in the approximate range [10~308, 10~300]. The 53 bit fraction gives about 16 decimal digit precision. Obviously, SPAMM obtains more speed by giving less precision and reducing the range of the numbers that it can represent. SPAMM gains further speed by taking some very questionable short cuts. For instance, addition, subtraction, multiplication, division and square root are not rounded. Further, SPAMM does not use a sticky bit. Here are some other interesting SPAMM "features". -1~-4 yields -INF instead of 1! It is possible to subtract two numbers and get zero, but comparing the numbers shows that they are unequal! I could go on, but I think you get the idea. Whoever wrote this program thought that s/he could gain speed by sacrificing accuracy. In my opinion, this person went overboard. The results produced by SPAMM are completely unacceptable. Rick Zaccone Bucknell University zaccone@bknlvms.bitnet zaccone@sol.bucknell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 90 12:28:28 PLT From: Paul Brians <HRC$04%WSUVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: LaserWriter Mailing Labels for Word 4.0 I inquired some time ago about creating inch-high, three-across mailing labels in table format with Word 4.0 I received from Microsoft via CompuServe instructions for doing so which actually work. The enclosed file contains two sample documents with complete pages of labels ready for using with Print Merge and a suitably formatted mailing list. I also enclose a brief document. Users will have to know the basics of Word print merging, because that subject is not covered; but for regular print merge users, these samples should proove a real time-saver. [Archived as /info-mac/misc/msword-laserwriter-mailing-labels.hqx; 13K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 90 10:30:46 EST From: bkirsch@nadc.arpa (B. Kirsch) Subject: Mac Programming Questions? Dear Mac Programmers, How does one change the font _size_ in a dialog box. Resedit allows you to change the font and the size, but doesn't save changes. The command SetDAFont(thefont) only changes the font, not the size. Why can't I get a keyup event when I poll GetNextEvent. Does anyone have any good picture scrolling philosohy or code that they would like to share with me. I am having major difficulties. Thanks in advance, Barry Kirsch MAIL: Naval Air Development Center Code 5051 Warminster PA, 18974-5000 PHONE: (215) 441-1886 ARPA: bkirsch@nadc.arpa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 90 14:55:05 SST From: TNG TH <ISSTTH%NUSVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: MACWEEK ADDRESS Hello. I want to subscribe to MacWeek but can't seem to find any info or subscription forms. Please, can anybody furnish me with the necessary info like address, fax, phone, prices, air-mail, surface, etc... Please reply to me directly at ISSTTH@NUSVM.BITNET. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 90 17:06:22 EST From: "Chris Khoury (Sari's Son)" <3XMQGAA%CMUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: MicroPhone II Scripts Hi, Anybody using Microphone II... I am interested in trying out some scri pts, so if you have any, send them to me, PLEASE. I am espessially interested i n a script that can log on to theIBM 3090, VM/CMS mainframe and type in my user ID and password. Thanks so much in advanced. Acknowledge-To: <3XMQGAA@CMUVM> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 90 02:31:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Norman William Franke, III" <nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Mission Impossible Sounds Sorry this took so long, but here are two Mission Impossible sounds from the new ABC series. It's basically the "Good morning Jim..." part. It's a shortened version, but all the good parts are there. The Stuffit file is about 260K, which contains two SoundEdit files. I also have the entire Mission Impossible theme, but it's 700K or so and I'd hate to mail it... So enjoy them! (I wish I had an anonymous FTP site where I could put these, but alas.) There are 12 parts of about 32K each, following this message. -Norman Franke nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu [Archived as /info-mac/sound/mission-impossible-part1.hqx; 148K /info-mac/sound/mission-impossible-part2.hqx; 149K /info-mac/sound/mission-impossible-part3.hqx; 67K] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 90 21:32:33 EST From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL%UCONNVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Murph's VAPORWARE column for March 1990 In response to laments that ambiguous "subject" lines have caused readers to overlook this column in the clutter of other newsgroup messages, I have switched to a more visible (if mundane) subject identification that clearly identifies the column. Perhaps as a consequence of the most recent shake-up in Apple's senior management, there are an unusual number of Apple II rumors in this month's column (even without the persistent MacWeek "Apple plans to discontinue the Apple II one of these days" rumor). An alternate explanation if that several inside sources have elected to furnish me with some original tips about Apple II developments. Would that similar input arrived about Amiga and Atari (for instance). Support your local rumor mill :-) <Sewall%UConnVM.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu> IBM's introduction of the new RISC System/6000 has diminished (short-term not doubt) Big Blue rumors for the moment. VAPORWARE Murphy Sewall From the March 1990 APPLE PULP H.U.G.E. Apple Club (E. Hartford) News Letter $15/year P.O. Box 18027 East Hartford, CT 06118 Call the "Bit Bucket" (203) 569-8739 Permission granted to copy with the above citation Quicker, Redesigned Apple IIgs. The new Apple II CPU Promised by John Sculley for September 1989 (if Microsoft is frequently a year late delivering promised new products, should Apple be any different?) has finally shipped to beta test sites. Currently known only as the ROM 04 machine, it's not a radical departure from the current ROM 03 IIgs. Some features are subject to change. The video resolution will be improved to 600 by 400 and the one MHz video problem has been fixed by adding a new graphics processor. Writes to the video screen are at full CPU speed and the improvement is dramatic. The beta test model is shipping with a 5.8 MHz chip (being pushed to 7 MHz), but an even faster version may be installed by the time the product is announced. Apple is experimenting with the slot architecture. There may be some sort of 16-bit extension to the current 8-bit Apple II standard, or the slot speed may simply be a separate control panel option. Although the beta version doesn't have the SWIM chip to make it possible to read IBM and Macintosh high density 3.5 inch formats, it's not too late to add that feature. Most existing IIgs programs which are copy protected fail to run on the ROM 04 machines. Deprotected versions work. A decision to market a new IIgs hasn't been finalized, but the planning date is September 1990. - found in my electronic mailbox (note: there are more details here than I gave Cringely for the 29 January InfoWorld column; I did want one of his coffee cups, but I also saved some of the good stuff for my friends) Even More New Apple II Products From Apple. Operating System 6.0 for the IIgs featuring some new sound tools and other toolsets should be released in the near future. HyperCard IIgs (see columns from last month, last December and last August) is likely to be delayed. The beta test version is too slow and requires too much memory (would you believe 2 Mbytes of RAM and 4 Mbytes of disk space?). On the plus side, the new DMA SCSI card should be announced this Spring (possibly along with OS 6.0). It will transfer 1 meg per second on a IIgs and 1/2 meg per second on a IIe for an apparent speed increase 3 times greater than the existing Apple SCSI card (the ROM 04 IIgs described above may come with this SCSI capability built in). Along with the new SCSI card, look for drivers for the Apple scanner, the LaserWriter 2SC, the new Apple laser printer described below, and a streaming tape backup system. The new card will retail for $129. - more goodies found in my electronic mailbox <Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET> Mac IIxi. The enhancement to the Macintosh IIx expected this month will be more than simply a CPU speed increase to 25 MHz. Upgrading a IIx will require a motherboard swap, and don't be surprised to find LaserWriter SIMMs ($700 per Mbyte; available only from Apple) inside. - InfoWorld 12 February An Order of Magnitude Faster. Motorola's new 25 MHz 68040 CPU processes 20 million instructions per second (MIPS) which is about one-third faster than the originally anticipated 15 MIP performance. A 25 MHz 68030 delivers about 6 MIPS. Even more impressive is the floating point performance of 3.5 megaflops (compared to 0.25 megaflops for the 25 MHz 68030 with 68882 math coprocessor). The 68040 is a 32-bit microprocessor with 8K bytes of internal cache memory and built in math coprocessor - features shared with the Intel i486. Samples should be available this month at a price of $795 - almost four times the combined price of a 68030 and 68882 math coprocessor combination. Motorola expects to offer a 50 MHz version of the 68040 in about a year. The first computer using the new Motorola CPU could appear in the form of the NeXT color computer announcement as early as next month. - PC Week and InfoWorld 22 January What to do (with) NeXT. Steve Jobs' NeXT computer desperately needs applications software and peripherals if it is to be taken seriously by the mass market it needs for economic survival. As many as six (oh wow!) major new applications are expected by summer. Third party developer Dyna Communications plans to supply one truly needed peripheral - a 3.5 inch floppy drive (due to be announced this month). - Wall Street Journal 18 January Look Ma, No Modem! IBM and Motorola have announced a joint venture firm, ARDIS (Advanced nationwide Radio Data Service), to develop a wireless hand-held computer that can communicate with a network host using radio waves. The new online service would utilize IBM's existing network which already covers 90% of the U.S. The proposed hand-held computer would have instant access to the network at 4800 baud (speeds up to 19.2K bits per second have been documented in metropolitan areas). IBM wants to use the technology in buildings and will offer wireless networking in future products. - InfoWorld 5 February and Computer Chronicles 10 February Laptop Workstation. Toshiba is developing a SPARC-based Unix laptop for later this year. A unit with 4 Mbytes of RAM will retail for about $7,000. - PC Week 12 February "Phonebook" Laptops. NEC, Toshiba, and Zenith all are working on a new "phonebook" class of portable computers for release later this year. These eight to ten pound laptops will be built around the 80386SX CPU and use 2.5 inch instead of 3.5 inch floppy drives. - InfoWorld 12 February Vest Pocket Lotus. Texas Instruments and Lotus have joined to produce a hand held 1-2-3 pocket computer. Small enough to fit in an inside jacket pocket, the 512K RAM with 1-2-3 version 2.2 in ROM and two optional 1 Mbyte RAM/ROM card slots unit features a (very small) QWERTY keyboard and a 55 column by 16 line LCD display. Optional PC-Link software permits file transfers with the desk PC back at the office. - InfoWorld 22 January The Osborne Lives. Adam Osborne, president of Paperback software, for whom the famous (or infamous) Osborne portable computer was named, has joined a partnership with Silicon Valley Technology to market Indian-made i486 motherboards in the U.S. Osborne says an i486 system with 4 Mbytes of RAM, a floppy drive and a small hard drive will retail for $4,200. - InfoWorld 5 February New Apple Printers. Even though Apple sold it's Adobe stock, the two companies continue to cooperate. Apple will soon announce a new low-end ($2,500) four page per minute LaserWriter (Postscript printer) that actually produces pages at nearly that speed. At the high end, a color LaserWriter is planned for the end of the summer. Also, there is likely to be an Apple version of the Adobe fax board that turns any Adobe Postscript printer into a plain paper fax machine. - InfoWorld 29 January Atari's STacey is for Real. After a couple of false starts, Atari's portable ST (known as the STacey) is finally on the market (see last June and October's columns). - Seen on the Computer Chronicles 10 February New Apple II Accelerator. Applied Engineering will be replacing the current Transwarp II accelerator with a new model (that will cost $20 more) during the second quarter. Company spokespeople deny that Zip Technologies' successful suit against the Rocket Chip had any bearing on the redesign (uh huh). - found in my electronic mailbox <Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET> What will "Ivan" Think of Sticky Bear Bop? A Canadian group will be marketing Apple II compatible computers in the Soviet Union. - An advanced peek into the May 1990 InCider from Joe Abernathy <jabernathy@pro-houston.cts.com> Latest on the "Golden Gate." InfoWorld's Cringely still believes in the simultaneous Mac and Apple IIgs computer code-named Golden Gate (see the November 1988 column), but Apple insiders tell me that what Cringely hears comes from engineering while the marketing types have "concept tested" the product with K-12 educators and found the whole idea seriously wanting. The problem is the Golden Gate will cost nearly as much as a Mac SE and a IIgs. At those prices, educators say they'd rather buy two computers rather than only one. - found in my electronic mailbox <Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET> When Ingenuity Fails. Third party developer Applied Ingenuity has had a falling out among partners. The departure of the firm's technical wizard has shelved the Apple II video tape backup card (advertised last Fall), the 100 Mbyte Innerdrive, and several other products. - found in my electronic mailbox <Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET> Pagemaker 4.0 for Windows 3.0. Aldus has made it clear that it will follow up its announcement of Pagemaker 4.0 for the Macintosh with an MS-DOS product as soon as Microsoft releases Windows 3.0 (currently projected for April, but the date has slipped so often already that any month after this one is credible). Once Windows 3.0 is released, look for a Windows version of Adobe Type Manager (bringing something resembling Display Postscript to the MS-DOS world). - PC Week 22 January and InfoWorld 12 February dBase IV 1.1 Update. Beta testers say to expect delivery of dBase IV version 1.1 (see last month's column) in the second quarter. Apparently there are problems with the program's installation procedure as well as some remaining unresolved bugs. Meanwhile, Ashton-Tate has shipped the dBase compiler to beta testers. Insiders expect a long test period. - PC Week and InfoWorld 5 February /s Murph <Sewall%UConnVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu> [Internet] or ...{psuvax1 or mcvax}!uconnvm.bitnet!sewall [UUCP] + Standard disclaimer applies ("The opinions expressed are my own" etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 90 15:14 PST From: JOHN LOUCH <LOUCHA%CLARGRAD.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Priority When Laserprinting? Hello Netters, I am lookin for an init, or anything that will allow one to prioritize on machine on a LaserWriter. In other words, I want one machine whenever it prints to put other machines that are printing behind of it. I realize that with AppleShare and a dedicated server one can do this, but I am interested in a init that will work, for example, on a Tops network. I also realize that the makers of SuperLaser Spool have a network product that will do this, but as usual I'm looking for something a little cheaper. Thanks in advance John Louch [LOUCHA@CLARGRAD.BITNET] PS. Please respond directly to me and I will sumarize to the net. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 90 21:20:17 EST From: Loki Jorgenson Rm421 <loki@physics.mcgill.ca> Subject: Start-up screens I am looking for start-up screens for an SE. Sorry if this old news (as I expect). There used to be a couple at umn-cs.cs.umn.edu for Bill the Cat and Garfield but umn-cs has dis-continued carrying Mac stuff. Does anyone have the Bill start-up or know where I can find it? Or where I can find others? Thanks in advance, Loki Jorgenson node: loki@physics.mcgill.ca Physics, McGill University fax: (514) 398-3733 Montreal Quebec CANADA phone: (514) 398-6531 <*> It... just... doesn't... matter .... <*> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 90 00:19:59 PST From: 6600pete%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu (GurgleKat [Pete Gontier]) Subject: StuffIt batching jjw7384@ultb.isc.rit.edu wrote about batch unStuffIting and batch unBinHexing. He mentioned that most of the suggestions he got centered around 'frames. I agree that this is too bad. But I'd also like to point out that there is a little-known feature of StuffIt 1.5.1 that allows batch UnStuffIting, and that is to shift-click all the files you want unStuffed in the Finder, and then hold down the shift key right after you double-click one of them (or hit command-O). All the files will be unStuffed 'batch' style. It's amazing what one finds by RTFM'ing. :-) Pete Gontier | InterNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, BitNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa Editor, Macker | Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for subscription Hire this kid | Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skills ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************