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Info-Mac Digest Sun, 4 Mar 90 Volume 8 : Issue 44 Today's Topics: Apple FTP File Re-assembly & Decoding Forwarded: Returned mail: Service unavailable help Hunt For Red October Info-Mac Digest V8 #39 Info-Mac Digest V8 #39 (_Launch 2.0) Laser printer question low-cost printer sharing Mac Keyboard Mapping MacUser's shiny 80 Meg drives More on floptical disks Novell Servers PC MacTerm with non-Hayes modems VAX AS MAC FILESERVER Virus Things and Such Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indicies are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 12:20:56 -0800 From: Mark B. Johnson <mjohnson@apple.com> Subject: Apple FTP Now includes the movable modal wdef and a fix to the Human Interface Q & A digest... -- 0 Feb 26 18:54 ./help/dir-files-recent -r 3255 Feb 26 18:46 ./README -r 4215 Feb 26 18:42 ./human.interface/goodies/movable-modal-wdef.hqx -r 40018 Feb 26 15:23 ./human.interface/qa/hi-digest-1.txt -r 4501 Feb 26 13:45 ./press/pr0226-peat-marwick-alliance.txt -r 1838 Feb 26 13:44 ./press/pr0226-interim-courseware-exchange.txt -r 1379 Feb 23 09:17 ./press/pr0220-apple-lauds-utah.txt -r 13278 Feb 22 12:09 ./human.interface/notes/hin.001.txt -r 13769 Feb 22 12:08 ./human.interface/notes/hin.006.txt -r 8280 Feb 22 10:16 ./human.interface/notes/hin.005.txt -r 4352 Feb 22 10:16 ./human.interface/notes/hin.004.txt -r 3607 Feb 22 10:16 ./human.interface/notes/hin.003.txt -r 9092 Feb 22 10:15 ./human.interface/notes/hin.002.txt -r 3088 Feb 22 10:13 ./human.interface/notes/hin.000.txt -r 91929 Feb 22 09:07 ./aii/tools/compression/shrinkit21.bsc -r 8136 Feb 22 08:14 ./aii/tools/compression/binscii.exe -r 3050 Feb 22 08:09 ./press/pr0222-apple-lowers-prices.txt -r 2509 Feb 22 08:09 ./press/pr0221-apple-reduces-workforce -r 4935 Feb 22 08:09 ./press/pr0212-teacher-nominations.txt -r 2448 Feb 22 08:09 ./press/pr0129-unalakleet-teachers-honored.txt -r 2002 Feb 22 08:09 ./press/pr0129-tacoma-teacher-wins.txt -r 2419 Feb 22 08:09 ./press/pr0129-portland-teacher-wins.txt -r 2576 Feb 22 08:09 ./press/pr0129-livermore-teacher-wins.txt -r 2065 Feb 22 08:09 ./press/pr0129-ferndale-teacher-wins.txt -r 2621 Feb 22 08:08 ./press/pr0129-fair-oaks-teacher-wins.txt -r 2387 Feb 22 08:08 ./press/pr0129-eugene-teacher-wins.txt -r 2346 Feb 22 08:08 ./press/pr0129-denver-teacher-wins.txt -r 140642 Feb 21 17:43 ./mac/tn/tn-indices-90-02.hqx -r 36659 Feb 21 17:32 ./mac/tn/tn-about-90-02.hqx -r 6632 Feb 21 17:30 ./mac/tn/tn.251.300/tn-268.hqx -r 5777 Feb 21 17:30 ./mac/tn/tn.251.300/tn-267.hqx -r 23288 Feb 21 17:30 ./mac/tn/tn.251.300/tn-266.hqx -r 26783 Feb 21 17:27 ./mac/tn/tn.251.300/tn-265.hqx -r 6508 Feb 21 17:25 ./mac/tn/tn.251.300/tn-264.hqx -r 15368 Feb 21 17:24 ./mac/tn/tn.251.300/tn-263.hqx -r 4237 Feb 21 17:23 ./mac/tn/tn.251.300/tn-262.hqx -r 22602 Feb 21 17:23 ./mac/tn/tn.251.300/tn-254.hqx -r 22427 Feb 21 17:20 ./mac/tn/tn.201.250/tn-231.hqx -r 25821 Feb 21 17:18 ./mac/tn/tn.201.250/tn-206.hqx -r 13176 Feb 21 17:16 ./mac/tn/tn.151.200/tn-192.hqx -r 5779 Feb 21 17:15 ./mac/tn/tn.101.150/tn-144.hqx -r 28376 Feb 21 17:14 ./mac/tn/tn.101.150/tn-110.hqx -r 14286 Feb 21 17:12 ./mac/tn/tn.051.100/tn-079.hqx -r 138763 Feb 21 17:10 ./aii/tools/dynamo/mpw-dynamo-2-1.hqx -r 475180 Feb 21 11:40 ./mac/tn/tn.latest.release/tn-90-02.hqx -r 237780 Feb 20 21:21 ./mac/tn/tn.bundles/tn.251.300.hqx -r 587383 Feb 20 21:14 ./mac/tn/tn.bundles/tn.201.250.hqx -r 618428 Feb 20 20:52 ./mac/tn/tn.bundles/tn.151.200.hqx -r 437027 Feb 20 20:28 ./mac/tn/tn.bundles/tn.101.150.hqx -r 430766 Feb 20 20:14 ./mac/tn/tn.bundles/tn.051.100.hqx -r 281196 Feb 20 19:58 ./mac/tn/tn.bundles/tn.001.050.hqx -r 5621 Feb 20 10:31 ./press/pr0219-cd-service-program.txt -r 418360 Feb 20 00:10 ./mac/stacks/serial-port-toolkit-2-6.hqx -r 37353 Feb 19 22:30 ./aii/tn/tn.index.90.01 -r 17029 Feb 19 22:29 ./aii/tn/tn.000.about.90.01 -r 5874 Feb 19 22:28 ./aii/tn/pdos/tn.pdos.026 -r 21897 Feb 19 22:27 ./aii/tn/pdos/tn.pdos.021 -r 1889 Feb 19 22:26 ./aii/tn/misc/tn.misc.015 -r 12600 Feb 19 22:25 ./aii/tn/iigs/tn.iigs.077 -r 5004 Feb 19 22:24 ./aii/tn/iigs/tn.iigs.076 -r 10590 Feb 19 22:24 ./aii/tn/iigs/tn.iigs.075 -r 15006 Feb 19 22:24 ./aii/tn/iigs/tn.iigs.025 -r 13827 Feb 19 22:23 ./aii/tn/iigs/tn.iigs.012 -r 1780 Feb 19 22:22 ./aii/tn/gsos/tn.gsos.010 -r 2346 Feb 19 22:22 ./aii/tn/gsos/tn.gsos.009 -r 3208 Feb 19 22:18 ./aii/ftn/ftn.d8.xxxx -r 2436 Feb 19 22:18 ./aii/ftn/ftn.d7.xxxx -r 2209 Feb 19 22:18 ./aii/ftn/ftn.d6.xxxx -r 2538 Feb 19 22:18 ./aii/ftn/ftn.d5.xxxx -r 15306 Feb 19 22:18 ./aii/ftn/ftn.c7.xxxx -r 17846 Feb 19 22:17 ./aii/ftn/ftn.about.90.01 -r 5082 Feb 18 21:14 ./aii/tools/compression/binscii.bsc -r 3151 Feb 16 09:01 ./press/pr0215-honeywell-gao.txt -r 58414 Feb 14 01:13 ./mac/tools/board-id-registration.hqx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 00:05 EST From: "NAME L.G. LEDUC" <F1400004%LAUVAX01.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: File Re-assembly & Decoding Does anyone know why BinHex files re-assembled with United 2.2 and ultimately decoded with Stuffit 1.51 give the following error message under Stuffit: "a disk related error (unexpected EOF) has prevented the operation from concluding". For some reason, I simply can't get those segmented files re-assembled and decoded properly. Can someone please help me? Leo G. Leduc Laurentian University Ontario, CAN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 16:59:00 est From: Bruce_Kahn@dgc.ceo.dg.com Subject: Forwarded: Returned mail: Service unavailable CEO comments: >From: Bruce Kahn:DGC Date: ## 02/27/90 16:53 ## Pls chop off this reject flak... CEO summary: >From: MAILER-DAEMON:webo-smtp Date: ## 02/27/90 16:00 ## Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 13:34:44 est >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> Reply-To: <MAILER-DAEMON> Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable To: KAHN@VOID.MCEO.DG.COM ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu... Service unavailable: error 129 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by adam.DG.COM with AOS/VS Sendmail id AC00031; Tue, 27 Feb 90 13:34:44 est Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 13:34:44 est Reply-To: <KAHN@VOID.MCEO.DG.COM> >From: Bruce_Kahn@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: Info-Mac@VOID.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Question on Controls/Lists in Dialog Boxes X-Ceo_Options: Short_message CEO summary: Being new to the mac I have a lot to learn about the way things can be done. What I would like to be able to do with my program is have the user enter a list of items they wish to display/print. After they have entered all they want, they should be able to change the list at will before continuing; something like the selection boxes on DAMover or Apple File Exchange. Ive used ResEdit to peek at AFE and other programs only to find that they use UserItems in their DLOGs. These, currently, are beyond me. Can someone provide some sort of sample on creating such lists/controls for my own DLOGs or tell me where I may find something like that? Thanks in advance. Bruce (KAHN@ADAM.DG.COM) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 20:34 PST From: JWILSON@gray.cerritos.edu Subject: help Jack Wilson Computer Services Cerritos College 11110 Alondra Blvd. Norwalk, CA 90650 (213)860-2451 internet: jwilson@cerritos.edu I need some help downloading Macintosh applications. I am using anonymous FTP to get the files to our VAX - no problem. I am using Kermit 0.9(40) to transfer them from our VAX down to our Macintosh. I have determined that if the extension of the file is "HQX", the file must be run through BinHex 4.0. I tried doing that on GateKeeper-111.hqx and got a file with a "SIT" extension, which I see from documentation on your system must then be run through Stuffit. I do not have Stuffit, but I see in UTIL there are Stuffit files (all with HQX extensions). Can I download them, run them through BinHex and then use them? As you can see, this is new to me. I would like to get the most recent version of Kermit running here at Cerritos College. I have recently had to battle viruses, so I would also like to get GateKeeper up and running. We have Disinfectant 1.6 and Vaccine up now. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. If you have documentation which covers my needs, point me at it and I'll read through it. At this point things are a bit overwhelming... Jack Wilson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 00:10:43 EDT From: "Scott Cherkofsky (Crusader)" <LE865C%GWUVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Hunt For Red October Hello all you Clancy fans! I have just gotten the game Hunt For Red October and I was wondering how you go about winning the darn thing! I have no idea what to do, everything I do do ends up getting me in trouble with the ruskies I am at my wits end... Can anyone help me?? Thanx for the help (in advance) This is Frustrating!!! __________________________________________________________ Scott Cherkofsky "...ROUS'S. Rodents Of Unusual CRUSADER STORM FRONT Size?? (PAUSE) I don't think BLOOD_BOWL KHORNE they even exist" - PRINCESS BRIDE CRU BLOOD ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 19:01 CDT From: <JAG8B4E1%PANAM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V8 #39 Sorry to clutter the info-mac digest with my letter, but I'm hoping that someone could help me with some information. I'm relatively new to the Mac world and find just about everything I run into to be an interesting experience...so please excuse my lack of familiarity. I recently ran across a DA named Twelve-C tm which is a simulated Hewlett Packard calculator (model 12C), which is the business calculator that they produce. It is true to the actual calculator in just about all of its functions...(I'm not able to check them all since I am unfamiliar with most of the business functions). My question is...are there any other DA's of their other models, more specifically the 11C or *28S*(the scientific calculators). If so, where are they available? Are they *freeware* or shareware or just too expensive? If is freeware or shareware, and someone can show me how, I would gladly send in the Twelve-C tm DA to be archived. You can respond to me directly to save the net some trouble and I can summarize it later. Looking to the future.... Joel A. Garza University of Texas - Pan American ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 20:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael A. Libes" <ml10+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V8 #39 (_Launch 2.0) There are a few nasty bugs which have been discovered in _Launch 2.0: Although the Finder appears in the SFGetFile Dialog box, installing the Finder will cause _Launch to crash. When installing applications, _Launch may run out of memory. It is recommended that the _Launch memory partition be increased to 64K while installing applications, and changing icons. When changing icons, if the SFGetFile Dialog box overlaps the _Launch window, the program will crash. Updating the window may take a long time. Using the disk cache will significantly decrease the update time. So far these are the only known problems. If you avoid these circumstances, you should not have any problems. Enjoy. - Lunarmobiscuit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1990 16:55:50 PST From: Edward A. Feigenbaum <eaf@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Subject: Laser printer question I want to buy a laser printer with postscript capability. Is there any reasonable alternative to Apple's Laserwriter II product? By that I mean: anything less expensive? Thanks, Ed Feigenbaum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 16:07:22 EST From: stanell@duphy3.drexel.edu (Martin Stanell) Subject: low-cost printer sharing I'm trying to find a low-cost hardware/software solution to the following problem: We have a Laserwriter which we want to be shared by a VAXstation, two Macintoshes and an IBM PS/2 model 80. The Macs and the Laserwriter are LocalTalked together, of course, but if we want to print >From the VAX, we have to shut down the printer and change the DIP-switch settings so that it uses the RS-232 serial port. Yes, it's a pain. There's no shortage of good products which make such printer sharing possible (most notably PacerLink and PacerPrint, around $3K, or AsyncServer, which reqires a $2.5K FastPath box). We're willing to invest in an Ethernet card for the PS/2 (perhaps there exists one with a LocalTalk port as well?). Is there a way to accomplish this sharing for a more reasonable amount of money? Any suggestions are thoroughly appreciated. Martin Stanell BITNET: stanell@duphy INTERNET: stanell@duphy3.drexel.edu (129.25.1.102) USMAIL: Dept. of Physics & Atmospheric Science, Drexel Univ. 32nd & Chestnut Streets Philadelphia, PA 19104 phone: (215)895-6957, -2720 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 90 16:44:49 EST From: "Gregory E. Gilbert" <C0195%UNIVSCVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Mac Keyboard Mapping Can some please tell me how I can print the ASCII 202 character (Hex CA) on a Mac. For reference see p. 247 of Inside Mac, Volume 1. The character looks something like... |______|, kind of a lazy left bracket. Thaks much. Regards, Greg. Postal address: Gregory E. Gilbert Computer Services Division University of South Carolina Columbia, South Carolina USA 29208 (803) 777-6015 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 21:26:21 GMT From: Darrell Skinner <PMIDS%FRPOLY11.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: MacUser's shiny 80 Meg drives I can't stand it! In MacUser's Feb "Buyer's Guide" to external hard drives, they say in "the Bottom Line" that "The best picks for retail purchases include the Apple Hard Disk 80SC ... Though admittedly expensive, Apple hard drives are simply the best-designed and -built systems available." But if you look at the details, the Apple 80SC has "Cons: Expensive. Runs warm. Noisy. 90-day warranty." Indeed. MacUser selected 18 "finalists" according to a strange procedure that permits them to "highlight as many vendor's drives as possible" (i.e., sell the most ads possible?) ... among the 18 "finalists", the Apple 80SC tied for honors as the noisiest and was one of the warmest. MacUser notes in the detailed tables that the Apple 80SC uses an "outdated Quantum mechanism", and rates it as fifth from the bottom out of 25 80 Meg drives according to its Diskbasher benchmarking software. And of course the Apple drive has the shortest warranty, 3 months compared to a year, 2 years, even 5 years. So how did the Apple disk get picked as a winner in the hot 80 Meg category? A little Apple polishing, maybe? I've thought MacUser has published some good lab tests, but when it comes to their editorial "judgement" ... Darrell Skinner / PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET / Ecole Polytechnique / France ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 21:33:12 GMT From: Darrell Skinner <PMIDS%FRPOLY11.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: More on floptical disks Jurgen Botz, JurgenB@UMass.bitnet, recently wrote about "floptical" drives(Info-Mac V8 #34, 9 Feb 90). > I just got more information regarding the 3.5" 20MB floptical drive ... To add a little info (and maybe some mis-info): Mirror Technologies (800-654-5294, 612-633-4450), a direct-sales Mac hardware company, advertises a 20 Meg floptical drive for $827, using Kodak technology. Jasmine markets (or did, it is not in their most recent ads) a similar drive. Verbatim markets the Kodak drive (at least, here in France). Macworld reviewed 10 and 20 Meg floptical drives (p.119, July 89), and liked the Jasmine best of the flopticals. I think some of these drives use 4" diskettes, not 3.5", so not all could handle PC diskettes. Who manufactures the floptical drive machanisms? Kodak, for one (though I seem to remember that Insite and Kodak technology is the same, or at least of was originally). Info has been posted to this digest about Briar Technology, San Jose, California (also a licensee of Insite?). There are 20Meg and 40Meg models. I noticed a full page ad in Byte a couple of months ago by a German company offering Kodak 40 Meg 3.5" SCSI floptical drives capable of reading/writig PC diskettes ($600 or so? OEM quantity prices). The original floptical drive is the 10 Meg Kodak drive (on the market, according to the MacWorld survey; not, according to an old network posting). There were problems reported with flawed media, or with software unable to lock out bad sectors. Has this problem been solved? Here Verbatim recently changed their drive software--because of problems? Originally, the diskettes were supposed to cost $10 or $20 each. But according to the MacWorld survey, they are more like $90, or 3 for $177 from Mirror technologies. I don't see much of an advantage for floptical drives over removable hard drives based on the Syquest 40 (alias 44) Meg mechanism. With the right software flopticals can read/write PC diskettes, and they can't experience head crashes. But the Syquest removables are 2 or 3 times, faster media cost is comparable (down to $90/40Meg cartridge), the drives can actually be cheaper than the floptical drives ($80 less at Mirror Techno- logies), and I've read few complaints about reliability. I wish manufacturers would all install 20 Meg floppies and drive the price down, but until then ... Darrell Skinner / PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET / Ecole Polytechnique / France ------------------------------ Date: TUE, 27 Feb 90 16:16:08 EST From: "Marc Dionne" <TRRMICR%UQTR.UQuebec.CA@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Novell Servers We are using a Novell server to distribute PC software in a student classroom and we have some interresting utilities. Now, we plan to use our Novell server to distribute Mac software to, so we will use an "appletalk network" for the Macintosh. Our PC utilities does not work in the Mac network, so we are looking for some utilities who can do: 1. Can protect a copy of a software from a station (Execute only). 2. Can limite the number of copy for a particular software. 3. Can do some statistic on the utilisation of a particular software. Thanks in advance for your help. Marc Dionne Service de l'informatique Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres 3351 Boul. Des Forges Trois-Rivieres, Quebec, Canada G9A 5H7 TRRMICR@UQUEBEC.ca (819) 376-5100 ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 90 16:03 EST From: WMLBTAM%UCCCVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: PC MacTerm with non-Hayes modems Date: 27 February 1990, 16:00:33 EST >From: WMLBTAM at UCCCVM1 To: INFO-MAC at SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU Subj: PC MacTerm with non-Hayes modems Anybody had any luck with this? DMA's Tech Support is always busy, can't get through to inquire. pcANYWHERE III will work with our digital (non-Hayes) pbx if we set it to "direct connection" instead of one of the modem options available from the menu; PC MacTerm doesn't seem to have any options in its menu regarding the connection type! Tnx, Ted =============================================================================== | | |Theodore Allan Morris |231 Bethesda Avenue, ML# 574 | | |University of Cincinnati Med. Ctr. |Cincinnati, OH 45267-0574 |__|--- |Med. Ctr. Information & Communications |513-558-6046 W, 731-3451 H | |Information Research and Development |WMLBTAM@UCCCVM1, NTS WB8VNV, Go |___ |=======================================|or AppleLink U1091 Bearcats!| No good deed ever goes unpunished. |(you-one-zero-nine-one) =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1990 17:24:58 CST From: DUNN@acuvax.ots.utexas.edu (Kevin S. Dunn) Subject: VAX AS MAC FILESERVER Greetings to all INFO-MAC subscribers... I am a member of a team designing a 50 node Mac and PC network for our Journalism and Mass Communication Department at Abilene Christian University. Campus connectivity issues and managment needs have caused our design team to look toward the VMS platform as a server. I am interested in hearing from anyone who is operating an AppleTalk or Eathernet network with a Digital Vax operating VMS as their primary server. I would also like to hear from anyone who has experience with the following products , or any other products designed for intigrating the Vax VMS environment with the Mac AppleTalk world. * AlisaShare AFP File Server * AlisaTalk TSSnet * PacerShare * PacerLink * C-Server (Solana) Please reply to my address below and I will summerize all responses to the network. Thank you in advance for your assistance. ***************************************************************************** ** Kevin S. Dunn ** SnailMail Address: ** ** Department of Journalism and Mass Communication** ACU BOX 8059 ** ** Abilene Christian University ** Abilene, TX 79699 ** ***************************************************************************** ** BITNet: DUNN@ACUVAX ** ** (915)674-2427** ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 90 22:48 EST From: <JK_APPLE%UNHH.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Virus Things and Such Hi All, In Info-Mac #39 there was a mention about Buying SAM and such, for public labs and the like. The folks here at UNH have found the ShareWare stuff works the best and is much cheaper!!! To combat WDEF they use GateKeeper Aid, to keep most others in check they use Vaccine (it flags ALL devious behavior) and for general scanning of disks they use Disinfectant 1.6 Just a note to folks going out to BUY the latest and greatest commercial stuff to combat WDEF, to remove this virus from any disk, just rebuild the DESKTOP file. This is done by holding down the COMMAND and OPTION keys ANYTIME the finder is being activated (restarting, exiting a program, etc.). WDEF only attacks the DESKTOP file, NOTHING else. NOT the System, the Finder, Word 4.0 or anything other than the DESKTOP file. There are valid resouces that have the WDEF signature, these reside in almost EVERY application (key word: APPLICATION). They define the Macintosh WINDOWS, size, shape, etc. Sorry to keep rambling on and on, but I had TONS of questions today about WDEF and the campus AppleShare servers!!! :) ***************************************************************** * Joe Kazura Apple Computer - Student Rep * * The U.T.C. 14A Thompson Hall - UNH * * Durham, NH 03824-3547 (603) 862-1328 * * BITNET: JK_APPLEREP@UNHH Applelink: ST0566 * ***************************************************************** * Disclaimer - The Views Expressed Are MINE!! Not even Apple's * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************