Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (03/05/90)
Info-Mac Digest Sun, 4 Mar 90 Volume 8 : Issue 46
Today's Topics:
ALT-WDEF won't load
Cairo Shootout
Cartridge Refills for IINT Laser Printer?
cicn <-> icl8 (ResColor, SunDesk, and ColorFinder)
color icons
CUTE Macs??
Different header on different page with word4?? (SUMMARY)
Hypercard bug?
Hypercard Reports
Info-Mac Digest V8 #40
initshare troubles
Internet to GEnie path
Mac Tools Deluxe and Apple TechNotes
Mail processor
Medical Clip Art
Medical Dictionary/Thesaurus
Prototyper, Faxmodems
ResEdit - where can I get it from?
SecureInit, servers, etc.
SimCity
Speaking of ResEdit...
Speed of Mac's and Vax's for floating point calculations
SpinRite for the Mac?
Word 4 & Adobe Type Manager
Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 23:32:37 PST
From: gbrown@tybalt.caltech.edu (Glenn C. Brown)
Subject: ALT-WDEF won't load
I can think if 2 reasons that the WDEF might not load:
1)You have the WDEF virus.
2)You have some other WDEF in your system folder like the NeXT WDEF.
Neither would acct. for the WDEF loading 1/5 of the time, as far as I know.
AltWDEF, is a must, however! Get it running. If you do, you will be able
to use a smaller type size in the title bar. This saves space and is useful
even on my 640x480. Moreso for the Classics.
Hope this was some help.
--Glenn
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 10:48:21 -0800
From: biswa@janus.berkeley.edu (Biswa Ghosh)
Subject: Cairo Shootout
Has anyone had luck in running the version of this game in the sumex
archives? I have successfully downloaded and unbinhexed it, but when I
try to run, it freezes the screen, requiring a reboot. This is on an
SE/30. On the other hand, I have a locked version of the game which
runs just fine on this same machine. The unlocked one is not a newer
version of the game, so it should run too... Any leads appreciated.
Biswa Ghosh
550 Cory Hall arpa: biswa@janus.berkeley.edu
U.C. Berkeley uucp: ...ucbvax!janus!biswa
Berkeley, CA 94720 tel: (415) 643-6686
[Moderator's Note: This is the way it is. The author died and someone
posted this version that crashes. It's been mentioned before but there is
no one to fix it. Unless someone can... -- Jon]
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 11:10 EST
From: WALLACE FELDMAN <FELDMANW%SNYPLAVA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Cartridge Refills for IINT Laser Printer?
Would like to know net-landers' experiences with refill cartridges for the
Apple IINT laser printer. Which sources are both reliable and economical?
I will summarize replies and post to the net. Thanks.
Disclaimer: Free advice is worth what you paid for it!
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 90 09:07:25 EST
From: Jason <jblue@mwunix.mitre.org>
Subject: cicn <-> icl8 (ResColor, SunDesk, and ColorFinder)
Greetings Net,
I recently got a copy of ResColor and SunDesk. I like the color icons
SunDesk uses, but I found that too often ResEdit (1.2) with ResColor would
quit for no reason, usually damaging the icon or the whole file containg the
icon I was working on.
Before using SunDesk, I used ColorFinder to colorise the icons. I create a
few icons, and would like to transfer them to SunDesk. I tried to copy/cut
the cicn icon while editing it and pasting it into the icl8 icon, but most
times the colors are changed or removed. If I copy an icl8 image to an cicn,
then the cicn icon is created in black and white only.
I would appriciate some advice on how to convert cicn to and from icl8 - is
there an application that can do so? Also, has any one else encounter problems
with ResColor?
Thank you,
* Jason D. Blue
Disclaimer: The views expressed above are my own and
do not reflect the position of my employer.
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
-- Roy Santoro
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 10:38:50 PST
From: TOLLIVER%ATF.MFENET@ccc.nmfecc.gov
Subject: color icons
Someone ask how to colorize icons, and he preferred those used in ColorFinder
over those used in SunDesk. I would first recommend that you prefer those
in SunDesk, since those are icl8 resources (8-bit icon list) while ColorFinder
uses cicn ("color icons") resources. Why are icl8 better? Well, they will be
a part of System 7.0, for instance. So the color icons you painstakingly
create now will be ready for use when Sys 7 gets here. There will also be
icl4 (4-bit) resource in Sys 7. And there will be small-icon versions of
both bit depths as well--sic8 and sic4 (?)--can't remember. Why will Sys 7
use icl8's instead of cicn's? They will be faster, using only the default
color table instead of looking up colors within a cicn. SunDesk, by the
way, supports icl4 and the small versions too. There are just none provided
with the SunDesk package available at Sumex. To colorize icons, get ResColors,
now at Sumex. It is a bunch or resources for pasting into ResEdit that will
then allow editing of icl8's, etc., including cicn's. Or you could get ResCicn
(info-mac/tech/rescicn.hqx) if you just want to edit cicn's. ResColors is a
new and enhanced version of ResCicn by the same author. There is also cicnEDIT,
or something like that, that I find harder to use. It works only for cicn's.
(pause)
I just checked, the small color icon resources are ics8's and ics4's, if any
one really cares.
After all that, what do I use, you ask. ColorFinder! Because I normally keep
my monitor set at 16-colors (4-bits) and the SunDesk Icons file contains no
icl4's, I normally would get no colors using SunDesk, but I do get colors
using ColorFinder. Can't wait for Sys 7. (and 8... :-)
Johnny Tolliver (tolliver%atf.mfenet@ccc.nmfecc.gov)
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 1990 11:08:25 EST
From: RICH@suhep.phy.syr.edu (Richard S. Holmes)
Subject: CUTE Macs??
Kevin 'fractal' Purcell <KPURCELL%liverpool.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk> writes:
>On Fri, 23 Feb 90 00:03:30 PST Rudy Rucker (acad!megalon!rudy@net.uu.uunet)
>said:
>
>>someday maybe, if calab does well enough. But only for color macs.
>>little B&W jobbies can go the way of CGA. You ought to buy CA Lab
>>just for the manual, its my best book since The Fourth Dimension.
>>Simply phone toll free 800 525-2763.
>
>Arrgggg, philistine -- those B&W mac's are still cute!
<<FLAME ON>>
CUTE? CUTE?? How about ALMOST AFFORDABLE? And how about INSTALLED BASE??
Granted, some programs just can't or shouldn't exist in B&W. Not many, though.
There's just one thing that burns my butt more than a program that won't run on
my SE solely because its designer was too lazy or stupid to come up with a B&W
display... and that's a PD/freeware/shareware program whose description
neglects to mention that it requires a Mac II. After I've spent an hour FTPing
>From sumex-aim to our VAX and kermiting to my Mac and unbinhexing and
unstuffing, if it's only then I find out it requires a floating point
accelerator and color QuickDraw... well, SO FAR, I've been permitting the
posters of such stuff to continue breathing.
As for Rudy Rucker... I don't think I'll buy his IBM program just to read the
manual. I'm not even sure I'll buy his novels just to read them. Arrgggg!
<<FLAME OFF>>
(*nix types, feel free to forward this to Rudy...)
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 13:19:13 EST
From: munnari!mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU!akkh@uunet.uu.net (Alvaro Kau Kam HUI)
Subject: Different header on different page with word4?? (SUMMARY)
Hi,
A while ago, I send my request to info-mac asking
whether there is any possibility to have different headers
on different page.
Since then, I received HEAPS of response. Thanks to
everyone who response. Here is the summary of response as
promised :
The response is almost unamious, here is how I can
do it.
On the page you want a different header on, put in
the section break. Call up the section dialog from format
menu and uncheck restart at 1 check box. This will allow you
to put in a different header on that page while keeping the
page number!
Or, as mention by another person, I can use the first
page special command if I want a different header on the first
page. The comand is found in section dialog too!
Reference : page 318 in the word4.0 reference manual.
Yes, who love to study the manual if it was so disorganise!
We are supposed to use the mac in mac way,right?
Thanks again for all those who response...
akkh@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 11:17:37 EST
From: "Christopher M. Sedore" <RSCMS%SUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Hypercard bug?
I've been working on a simple set of Hypercard stacks that is supposed to
store information about donations to a charity, and produce receipts by month.
When asked to print the receipt, this part of the stack seems not to work:
If offset(".",field "amount")=0 then put ".00" after field "amount"
I don't understand why this fails. No matter what number the field "amount"
contains, it won't put the ".00" on the end. (I need this because my client
wants dollar printouts to be $amount.00)
Is there something I'm missing here? I took out the "if offset(..) then" and
left the "put ..." and it still didn't work. Maybe there is an easier way to
do this?
I am running Hypercard 1.2.
Thanks,
Chris
RSCMS@SUVM.BITNET
RSCMS@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 11:23:59 EST
From: "Christopher M. Sedore" <RSCMS%SUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Hypercard Reports
I'd like any information that you Hypercarders have on printing decent reports
>From Hypercard. I'm primarily interested in printing on different sizes of
paper, but the more features the better. (PD or Commercial)
Thanks,
Chris
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 18:41:11 EST
From: mjkobb@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V8 #40
In Digest #40, fgodfrey@rodan.acs.syr.edu mentions having trouble getting
color PICTs to display in SuperPaint 2.0. So, my question is: does SuperPaint
display color PICT files? I seem to remember that it doesn't, or that you
have to enable some sort of color preview mode. You certainly can't paint in
color and see what you're doing... I'd suggest trying PixelPaint.
--Mike
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 13:55 CST
From: Alexander Rubli <RUBLI%UDLAPVMS.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: initshare troubles
I downloaded initshare, and could't get it to work.
the documentations does not mention the name taht the "extra" system
folder should have.
on a workstation when I select initshare from the chooser it asks me for
a folder, but it actually seems to ask for a file. after selecting something
the machines seems to access the server but the window does not close, as the
machines would hang, I had to reboot.
help !
alexander
RUBLI@udlapvms.bitnet
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 16:41:15 CST
From: mosemann@fergvax.unl.edu (Russell Mosemann)
Subject: Internet to GEnie path
Is there a way to send a message from Internet to someone on GEnie?
Please send me the information about how to do this if it is possible.
Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 14:51:58 EST
From: Jim_Burmeister@ub.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Mac Tools Deluxe and Apple TechNotes
Two questions:
1. Has anyone heard anything about the program MacTools Deluxe? I saw an
ad for it in MacUser, and it claims to be better than SUM and PC Tools
Mac (it's predecessor). I have used both SUM and PC Tools, and found
SUM to be far superior. So, do you think it will be worth my money to
upgrade to MacTools?
2. In the Apple TechNotes, two notes are listed as "unused": #31 and #49.
Number 31 is, of course, the famous "Dogcow" TechNote. Is #49 also
something like this, or is it truly "unused"?
Please respond to me and I will summarize to the net.
Jim "Jim" Burmeister
University of Michigan Residence Halls Computing Project (ResComp)
Ann Arbor, MI 48109
Internet: LHN2@ub.cc.umich.edu or Jim_Burmeister@ub.cc.umich.edu
Disclaimer: Whatever it is, I didn't do it.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 16:23:33 EST
From: Lee Nussbaum <wln@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu>
Subject: Mail processor
Are there any utilities on the Mac to track old Unix mail files? I'd
like to move my mbox to the Mac to keep track of old msgs, and was
wondering if a stack existed that would do it a little more cleanly
than just keeping text files around.
Thanx...
- Lee
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 11:14:28 EST
From: "Christopher M. Sedore" <RSCMS%SUVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Medical Clip Art
I'm searching the world, high and low, for ANY clip art (PD or Not) that
is related to medicine, anatomy, physiology, etc... If you know of any such
packages, I'd appreciate it if you'd point me to the source.
Thanks All,
Chris
RSCMS@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU
RSCMS@SUVM.BITNET
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 16:48:59 EST
From: Adriene Nazaretian <ADRIENE%YALEADS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Medical Dictionary/Thesaurus
Can anyone help us locate a package (can be shareware/pd/commercial/etc)
that is either a dictionary or thesaurus of medical terminology.
If it worked with MS Word that would be GREAT, but anything will do.
hypercard stack or otherwise, please send any info to one of the
2 addresses below and we will summarize to the network with responses.
I know I saw something posted a while ago....
Thanks All
Adriene Nazaretian (ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET)
Bob Francini (BOBF@YALEADS.BITNET)
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 20:17:07 EST
From: Pete Tamas <V5296E%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Prototyper, Faxmodems
I am interested in purchasing prototyper or some other product which aids in
the Mac software development cycle. Should I be looking at a different product?
Does anyone have any experience with this sort of product? Please advise.
I am also interested in purchasing a Fax modem. Any advice? Are these worth hav
ing?
By the way, I have the new Ricoh postscript laser printer. I'm very satisfied.
For a good price, try MacLand at 1800-333-3353. (Just passing on my happy ex-
perience).
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 90 15:15:34 MEZ
From: Ewald JENISCH <A4421DAD%AWIUNI11.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: ResEdit - where can I get it from?
Hi Mac-Landers,
I'm completely new to this list and relatively new to the Mac-world;
maybe someone could answer my three questions:
1) Is 'ResEdit' a PD/shareware program or a commercial product?
2) Where can I get hold of the latest release of ResEdit?
3) What other programs (beside ResEdit) would you prefer for exploring
the inner working of a MacIIcx?
Thanx in advance for your information
-ewald
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 10:59:19 cst
From: "McMahon,Brian D" <MCMAHON%GRIN1.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
Subject: SecureInit, servers, etc.
Greetings. We're conducting evaluations of several security packages for
use with public-access Macs in a served environment. Since this comes up
>From time to time on the list, I'll probably (in my ample free time :-)
write up and post the experience, but that's still a good ways away.
Right now, I have a specific question. I would like to hear from anyone
who has tested or installed SecureInit on machines which are attached to
servers. I'd ESPECIALLY like to talk to you if you're running AlisaShare.
I wouldn't mind hearing experiences with other products either, but the
SecureInit-Alisa combo is the issue of the moment.
Note that I'm not (at least right now) talking about putting SecureInit up
on the server, but rather on the local hard drive of a Mac which in turn is
connected to the server. Make sense? We're trying to prevent users from
zarking around with the system files and such...
Please respond to me directly. I will compile and post results, if
interest warrants it. Thanks very much.
Brian McMahon <MCMAHON@GRIN1.BITNET> | VAX Kludgemeister, Macintosh Medic,
Grinnell College Computer Services | Human Help Key, various and sundry
Grinnell, Iowa 50112 | stats packages. Please allow two
(515) 269-4901 | to four weeks for miracles.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 15:34:29 EDT
From: "Scott Cherkofsky (Crusader)" <LE865C%GWUVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: SimCity
Thanx to all of you who replied to my Questions about SimCity. Here is
the scoop....
I have heard from a source that does not want to be quoted that the next
version of Simcity will be both MultiFinder capable AND not Copy protected
and that it will be made available to those people who are registeres
owners of the software.
Secondly, to embezzle funds from the City, you just choose the Bulldozer
and type in capital letters (ie with the shift key down) FUNDS. this
will add to your bankroll about 10,000 smackers... but some ppl said
that this also brings a large disaster within the next few years, and
if you do it to much you'll go blind... no thats not right... oh yea,
you'll get caught and impeached!!! I hope this helps y'all.
I have yet to try this stuff out.
________________________________________________________ SCOTT CHERKOFSKY
"I want you now, tomorrow won't do. There's a yearning inside
and it's showing through. Reach out your hands and accept my
love. We've waited for too long, enough is enough. I want you now."
---- DEPECHE MODE
__________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 18:08:32 EST
From: Mike Lutas <MLUTAS@ccvm.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Speaking of ResEdit...
I have heard quite a bit about ResEdit. However I cannot seem to find it in
the archives. Is it a commercial product? Who sells it and how much does it
cost?
Thank you for the info
(and the archives)
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 09:28 N
From: <HEWAT%FRILL.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (HEWAT@FRILL51, F-76-48-72-13 [or26] FAX 76-4...)
Subject: Speed of Mac's and Vax's for floating point calculations
Lets hope the 68040 (or was it 88010 ?) Mac is as fast as reported. For
floating point arithmetic (80x80 matrix equation solving) the same compiled
Fortran program gives the following speed factors relative to Vax computers
(not particularly fast mini-computers).
Vax-730 0.1 to 0.3
*** Mac SE/30-4/40 0.8 ***
Vax-750 1.0
micro-Vax 2 1.0
*** Mac IIci-8/80 1.2 ***
Vaxstation-3100 3.5
Vax 8700 7.5
Mac Fortran was the latest Absoft version 2.4 calling the Mac 68881/2 fpu.
The VaxStation-3100 is a relatively cheap workstation, but not as fast as some,
including the DecStation, using RISC processors. The Vax-730/750's are very
old machines - even the Russians can buy them !
An 'SE/40' with at least x3 the power of the SE/30 for the same price would make
the Mac something for more than writing papers (for which of course it is great)
Alan Hewat.
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 00:53 CST
From: Paul Kleeberg <PAUL%GACVAX1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: SpinRite for the Mac?
Dear NetFriends,
The meat of my question is this: I am looking for a product for the
Macintosh that will restore the low level formatting of a SCSI drive,
thoroughly test for and map out surface defects, and remove soft
correctable errors just as SpinRite does it on the PC. Does this product
exist?
Here is my story. I am once again having trouble with my XP60 purchased
over 2 years ago. I had trouble similar to this last January after trying
to use a 12 ft SCSI cable so I believe a short history is in order.
I had been using the drive for 15 months without ever having a problem.
Then, last year, when I booted the drive with the cable (the cable was
checked and it was fine) it made horrible sounds and it took 3-4x's the
normal time for the drive to mount. A media check with Manager showed
several (12ish) new media defects (Since I backed up weekly and optimized
with DiskExpress 1.5 (DE1.5) as often, i think it is safe to assume it
occurred with the boot). Manager 4.0.? (It was labeled 4.0 but was
obtained from ComputerWare a week before the release of 4.0.3) was able to
format the drive but media defects would arise later. I found 1 or 2 when
restoring the drive, repaired them with Manager, checked the media with
DE1.5, optimized with DE1.5 and new ones would arise after passing the
media check, during the optimization. I again repaired with Manager, and
new defects would arise again. I brought the drive to ComputerWare in
Palo Alto where they tried installing a new controller, but that had no
effect on the problem. Finally I reformatted the drive with Manager 3.26
and the drive had been operating without error until Monday.
Suddenly, 2 hours after DEII completed a media check and optimization, and
without turning off, moving, or in any way jarring the drive, I used a new,
clean version of Virus Rx 1.6 and it noted a problem with one of my files
(SuperPaint V2 which I hadn't used in over a month). A media check with
Manager 3.26 indicated that I needed to re-initialize the drive, DEII
media check showed 19 new defects. Manager 3.26 failed to re-initialize
the drive because there were too many defects. Manager 4.0.3 initialized
the drive but DiskFit 1.5 discovered two read/write errors while reloading
my software and aborted the reload. M403 corrected these errors and the
software was finally reloaded. For the last 36 hours I have been
"optimizing" the drive with DEII and then DE1.5 (They use different
algorithms so that essentially EVERYTHING on the drive is repositioned)
During this exercise, occasional media defects have arisen and M403 will
recognize and correct them. At one point DE1.5 and DEII both caught a
media defect that was twice missed by M403 media check. At this point I
have concluded that the drive is too unstable for me to use as is.
Given my experience from last year, but from the perspective of a
non-technician, I believe there are several possible causes for the
problem. In order of decreasing probability 1) Soft errors in the low
level formatting of the drive, 2) Drive head alignment drift, 3) Decay of
the low level formatting of the drive, 4) Weak signals from the SCSI port
on the Mac, 5) Hard errors on the Media from an old (unknown to me)
jarring, or 6) Faulty controller on the XP60. I strongly believe it is
either #1 or 2 and that the problems began when the drive was booted with
that 12 foot cable. That boot was so violent sounding that I suspect that
it could have scrambled several of the sector ID headers which could now
be propagating. It is also possible that drive is aging and that the
drive's alignment is drifting. Problems 1, 2 and 3 could all be repaired
by a product like SpinRite if one exists for the Mac.
Any and all suggestions are welcome. Please respond directly to me. I
have also posted this to Fabian at SuperMac. If there is any interest I
will summarize for the net.
Thanks for the bandwidth.
Paul Kleeberg
217 West Swift Street
St. Peter, MN 56082
Voice: 507-931-6721
E-Mail: Paul@GACVAX1.Bitnet
MA.YPK@Forsythe.Stanford.edu
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 90 11:12:04 PLT
From: Paul Brians <HRC$04%WSUVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Word 4 & Adobe Type Manager
Adobe Type Manager doesn't work well with Word 4.0 with non-laserwriter
printers because choosing other printers causes fractional widths to be
disabled. According to the April issue of MacUser (p. 261) there exists a
patch which will fix this problem. It is called WORD4MOD.SIT, and is
available from many bulletin boards, notably CompuServe, where it is
located in the word-processing library of the Macintosh Productivity
Forum (MACPRO), under the name WORDMO.BIN.
Does anyone have this patch who would be willing to post it to the net?
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