Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) (06/13/90)
Info-Mac Digest Tue, 12 Jun 90 Volume 8 : Issue 115
Today's Topics:
[*] _Launch 3.0
[*] Darkness 2.0
[*] Jupiterium.hqx
[*] MicroPhone Scripts for DIALOG
[*] MicroPhone Scripts for Knowledge Index
[Mac sounds on a SPARC?]
anonimity revisited
Backing up volumes over a network.
Buying memory summary
Call for Drinks!
Fixing Mac Plus
High speed modem use with Mac telecom packages
InBox 3.0 and HyperCard
Looking for some BinHex Utilities...
MAC Plus with sick HYPERDRIVE 20
MCI Mail
PowerDrive
Typing Tutor Program responses
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Date: Sun, 13 May 90 16:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael A. Libes" <ml10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: [*] _Launch 3.0
Attention IIci, IIfx, and Mac Plus users: _Launch 3.0 works on your
machines...
_Launch is a Finder enhancer which provides an "icon dock" in which you
can install applications, documents, and DA's. _Launch is not an INIT,
it is a stand-alone Multifinder utility plus it can be used as a Finder
replacement with "UniFinder."
_Launch is Shareware, give it to all your friends, and if you use it
regularly, send $10 to the address listed in the docs and the "About
_Launch..." box.
- Luni
[Archived as /info-mac/util/launch-30.hqx; 45K]
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Date: Sun, 13 May 90 16:40:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael A. Libes" <ml10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: [*] Darkness 2.0
Darkness is an extendible screen saver. It is not an INIT, but a
Multifinder compatible, background-only program. The "Blackouts" which
darken the screen are not strange CODE resources like AfterDark and
Pyro, but normal Mac programs.
Darkness 2.0 now includes a unique preferences program availible
within any program, not the Control Panel. This is the major addition
since v1.0.
Included in the archive is the Blackout, "Dark" which makes all
connected screens turn black, plus the source code for THINK C to help
you write your own Blackout.
Darkness is distributed as Shareware. Give copies to all your
friends, and if you use Darkness regularly, send $10 to the address
listed in the docs.
- Luni
[Archived as /info-mac/app/darkness-20.hqx; 30K]
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Date: Sun, 13 May 90 16:32 CST
From: The Angry Young Man <CABANELJ@carleton.edu>
Subject: [*] Jupiterium.hqx
Jupiterium is $5 shareware. I'll let the manual explain a bit of what it
does...
"Jupiterium creates a simulation of Jupiter and its Galilean satellites as
viewed from Earth through a small telescope. On-screen dimensions are accurate
to the nearest pixel, and positions of the moons are accurate within a minute
or two of time. [In the present form of this program, actual eclipses of the
moons (i.e., by Jupiter's shadow) are not shown, only approximated by
occultations (by the planet's disk).] Transits are distinguished from
occultations in that a moon is shown in contrast against Jupiter's disk when in
transit and not shown when occulted."
This program is useful to amateur astronomers like myself as a substitute to
more expensive commercial programs like Voyager(Tm) [Which I also recommend
highly]. The program has been virus checked with Disinfectant 1.7 and was
downloaded from America Online.
Juan Cabanela
Internet: CABANELJ@CARLETON.EDU
America Online: AngryMan
[Archived as /info-mac/app/jupiterium.hqx; 47K]
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Date: Fri, 11 May 90 15:55:35 -0700
From: C43HWV%ENG1.gm@hac2arpa.hac.com
Subject: [*] MicroPhone Scripts for DIALOG
EASYlog/DIALOG, Version 1.0 scripts for MicroPhone II, Version 3 provide a
complete "front-end" for DIALOG, "The World's Largest Online Knowledgebank."
Some of the features incorporated in the scripts: auto-logon, help files
online and offline, compose search strategies and DIALMAIL messages offline,
complete listing of DIALOG databases and rates online and offline. Shareware.
NOTE: Works only with MicroPhone II, Version 3.
Designed and developed by Steve McIntosh, Desktop Information, Santa Barbara.
Herman VandenBoom
Telos Consulting Services
c43hwv@eng1.gm.hac.com
[Archived as /info-mac/comm/microphone-dialog-scripts.hqx; 230K]
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Date: Fri, 11 May 90 16:00:14 -0700
From: C43HWV%ENG1.gm@hac2arpa.hac.com
Subject: [*] MicroPhone Scripts for Knowledge Index
EASYlog/Knowledge Index, Version 1.0 scripts for MicroPhone II, Version 3
provide a complete "front-end" for Knowledge Index, "DIALOG's non-prime time
service." Some of the features incorporated in the scripts: auto-logon, help
files online and offline, compose search strategies and DIALMAIL messages
offline, complete listing of KI databases online and offline. Shareware.
NOTE: Works only with MicroPhone II, Version 3.
Designed and developed by Steve McIntosh, Desktop Information, Santa Barbara.
Herman VandenBoom
Telos Consulting Services
c43hwv@eng1.gm.hac.com
[Archived as /info-mac/comm/microphone-ki-scripts.hqx; 130K]
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 90 09:33:52 EDT
From: ernie@calvin.edu (Ernest D. Brouwer)
Subject: [Mac sounds on a SPARC?]
>hi,
Hello. Your letter was forwarded to me from a regular subscriber of info-mac.
> i was wondering if someone there could tell me how to
>convert one of the sound files which is in a a binhex format (.hqx)
>to a format that will run on a SPARCstation via the sound command. ive
>see it done before but im not sure what conversion programs one would
>need.
>
I asked the same question on another mailing list once (Sun-Spots) and got a
number of responses the best of which was the following:
---Begin included message---
There are some conversion utilities at "sumex.stanford.edu". You need
(1) a program called "xbin" -- this is stage 1: run xbin the "hqx" file
you get the Mac sound in
(2) a program called "unsit" -- this "unstuffs" a "stuffit" file.
You have to look around your directory for the results of the
"xbin" in step 1.
(3) a program called "sound2sun" from titan.rice.edu -- this program
is run on the ".data" file that results from step 2.
Sound complicated? Not terribly. And you DO get some funky sound files.
---End included message---
I did not credit the author because I didn't know if he wanted to be tied to
be responsible for any questions that follow it.
> thanks
You're quite welcome.
> daniel hernandez
--Ernie Brouwer
Calvin College
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Date: 08 JUN 90 09:50:11
From: GAUTHIER%FRCICT81.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: anonimity revisited
Anonimity revisited
Why are people so concerned about the rights of sellers
and so little about the rights of the consumers
Are'nt we tired of having our home computers turned into
free and boring advertising medias for firms or individuals.
The unchecked megalomania of software makers is compelling us
to see their logos, names or ugly bitmap sketches
of their faces, day after day.They seem to put a lot of efforts
into protecting their products, could not they spare a little of that
into making them more comfortable to use -like dispalying the offending
window with their names and addresses, only the first time the program
is run.
We should be entitled when we buy a product, to customize it to
our own needs and dislikes. I don't even want to see my own name or
that of my hated boss -who gave vent to his own megalomania by
branding all softwares with his name - on the first window of
the software I use, I don't want to click in anger at the blasted
window or wait till the cute animation has spent itself out.
I want to get right down to business and not let my computer screen
look like a Hong-Kong street.What is understandable in the case of
shareware developpers -should they provide a clean version on payment
of the fee- is unbearable in the case of commercial software.
We Europeans do not like uninvited guests, and those displays
are an intrusion on our cherished privacy.
So hail anonimity
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 90 10:22 EDT
From: <PJORGENS%COLGATEU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> (Peter Jorgensen)
Subject: Backing up volumes over a network.
Doug Hardie writes:
>
>Subject: Backup devices/software for localtalk
>
>Is there a backup device and/or software that would allow a large backup
>device (e.g. tape) to be connected to one Mac on a localtalk net and be
>used to backup/restore any/all of the various hard disks on other Macs
>on the localtalk net?
We have purchased n Alliance Tape AT-60 drive which comes with Retrospect
software to do just this. We intend to put the drive on a MacII and back up
volumes published over TOPS. It claims that it can back up any volume that
appears on the desktop. I'll let you know how it works.
Peter Jorgensen
Microcomputer specialist
Colgate University - Hamilton, NY 13346
AppleLink - U0523
BITNET - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU
tel - 315-824-1000 ext 742
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Date: 8 Jun 90 14:21:39 GMT
From: wsinkees@win.tue.nl (Kees Huizing)
Subject: Buying memory summary
Pieter Stouten <STOUTEN%EMBL.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu> writes:
>I don't know whether Asian stuff is worse. A decade or so ago, in Europe one
>would buy a European stereo set, not a Japanese one. Nowadays the standard is
>Japanese: good and cheaper. I know Samsung is Korean, but that is one of the
>cheap production countries of today. The chips have a 5 year warranty, anyway.
Just a joke, forgot the smiley.
>Kees, I hope "the grapes are not sour" because you payed all-in-all far more
>than necessary.
> Pieter.
Not at all. We spread the fixed costs over four people, so we had a fine
deal. We knew Techn. Works is not the cheapest, but we didn't want to
gamble. However, what I like to avoid in future is:
1. Very high shipping costs. Is $37 for 16 SIMMs by UPS reasonable? Should
I expect the same when I order from a big mail order company? And if this
company says that they ship only by UPS or Federal Express, should you
insist on some cheaper service and hope that they will give in, or is this
of no use?
2. The local handling costs. The UPS office in Holland was very surprised
when I told them I had to pay the equivalent of $60 to a third company for
handling my parcel. Nevertheless, they haven't answered my request for
explanation yet. So, should I avoid courier mail services, or was this a
mistake from UPS?
--
Kees Huizing - Eindhoven Univ of Techn - Dept Math & Comp Sc - The Netherlands
DOMAIN: wsinkees@win.tue.nl BITNET: wsdckeesh@heitue5 FAX: +31-40-436685
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 90 17:10 MDT
From: Bernie <BSWieser%UNCAMULT.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu>
Subject: Call for Drinks!
Greetings Net-People!
I have written an easy-to-use electronic bartender via a HyperCard stack.
However, my friends and my knowledge of recipes is fairly small! This is
a plea to anyone having a good/non-copyrighted/free recipe that they would
like to contribute to the stack. Credit will be given to you if the recipe
is not a duplicate. After I have entered a fair number of the drinks I will
post the stack on info-mac, freeware of course!
Please include defined measurements in ounces of all ingredients. Also include
a brief yet comprehensive set of instructions, and your name and site!
Thanks in advance! Please mail recipes to:
BSWieser at UNCAMULT.BITNET
Bernie Wieser
Developer and Studentus Maximus
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 90 8:09:18 EDT
From: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Fixing Mac Plus
=Get Larry Pina's book _Macintosh Repair and Upgrade Secrets_. It has complete
=diagnostic procedures and directions on how to repair. There are many "infamous
=mac + video problems". Hayden books puts it out. If you can't find it, i'll
=send you the ISBN number (not at the office at the moment).
=
=Rich Akerboom
=
Macintosh Repair & Upgrade Secrets, by Larry Pina.
Howard W. Sams & Company; Carmel, Indiana; 1990.
Paperback; 351 pages; $32.95 (includes software).
Larry Pina is a software developer and former contributing editor for
MACzine. In this profusely illustrated book he explains, often in
considerable detail, how to test, repair, and upgrade Macintosh computers.
No special technical skills are required, just the ability to follow simple
instructions. The book deals with machines ranging from the venerable 128K
Macintosh to the more modern Macintosh SE. Included with the book is a
floppy disk containing a Test Pattern Generator (TPG). The TPG is a
comprehensive package of programs designed to aid in testing and adjusting
Macintosh computers.
Chapter 1 is "Safety Rules - Tools and Techniques." It explains how to
open a Macintosh with readily-available tools and take it apart.
Chapter 2 is "Preliminary Checks." It tells how to check the screen
display.
Chapter 3 is "Adjustments." It outlines the TPG tune-up procedure.
Chapter 4 is "Power Supply Problems." It explains how to identify and fix
common problems in the power supply.
Chapter 5 is "Video Problems." It covers typical display problems and how
to solve them.
Chapter 6 is "Dead Sets." If your Macintosh is dead in the water, this
chapter will tell you what clues to look for and what parts to replace.
Chapter 7 is "Power Supply Upgrades - Fans." It deals with power supply
upgrades and the installation of various types of internal cooling fans.
Chapter 8 is "Audio Upgrades." It explains how to test, fix, and improve
the audio output, using a test tone generator built into the TPG software.
Chapter 9 is "Video Upgrades." It tells how to enlarge the display,
install an antiglare CRT, and add a TTL video adapter for a PC-style
external monitor.
Chapter 10 is "Disk Drive, RAM, ROM, and SCSI Upgrades." It explains how
to expand a 128K Macintosh to 512KE status and how to expand a Macintosh
Plus to 4MB.
Chapter 11 is "Keyboard Repairs." It deals with repairs to 128K, 512KE,
and Macintosh Plus keyboards.
Chapter 12 is "Mouse Repairs." It explains how to deal with typical
problems involving Macintosh and Lisa mice.
Chapter 13 is "Lisa/Macintosh XL Repair Secrets." It explains the
differences between the Lisa 1, Lisa 2, and Macintosh XL computers. It
also tells how to take them apart, how to fix typical problems, and how to
upgrade the disk drives, memory, and video.
Chapter 14 is "Macintosh SE Repairs." It deals with tests, repairs, and
upgrades to the Macintosh SE.
The book includes a glossary, a list of dealers and manufacturers,
Macintosh parts lists, and an index.
tom c
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 90 16:42:14 PDT
From: dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt)
Subject: High speed modem use with Mac telecom packages
I've been able to use U.S. Robotics HST Dual Standard modems very effectively
with my Sun SparcStation and my Mac II at home. Very-fast downloads are
quite possible... 9600 bits/second or better is not all that uncommon.
Here's what I've learned during my experimentation:
1) It is _not_ sufficient to depend on the error correction supplied by
the modems... this correction guards against phone-line errors, but
doesn't protect you against data loss or corruption between a modem
and a computer. It's quite possible for a Mac's serial port to drop
a byte or two, if you're writing large blocks of data to disk
(interrupts are turned off, and serial-controller overruns can
occur). Program-to-program error detection and correction is a
_must_!
2) Software protocols which have packet-level, stop-and-wait error
detection and flow control (e.g. Kermit and XMODEM) don't ride well
on top of modem-to-modem error detection and correction schemes which
are also packet-based (e.g. MNP). This is probably why you've
noticed such a severe slowdown when you use KERMIT.
When your mainframe sends a packet, the modem will break it up into
one or more modem-to-modem packets (each with its own error-detection
checksum or CRC). The receiving modem must receive each such packet
completely, and validate it, before it can send the first character
of the packet to your Mac. This introduces quite a significant
delay... for example, if the modems are sending 256-byte packets at
9600 bits/second, there will be roughly a 1/4-second delay introduced
at the modem-to-Mac end. There may be an additional delay introduced
at the mainframe-to-modem end... the modem may wait to suck up a
whole packet's worth of characters before sending them to its peer
across the phone line.
Once the Mac receives the end-of-packet characters from the modem, it
must recompute the block checksum and send an "ack" packet to the
modem. There may be an additional delay introduced before this "ack"
is sent to the mainframe by the modem at the other end.
The net result of this extra packet-building and buffering is that
the sending KERMIT program sits around waiting for quite some time
before it receives the "ack" and can send another packet.
3) The best way to get around this problem is to use a protocol which
supports ack-less streaming, or a sliding-window ack protocol. The
one I've used most heavily is the ZMODEM protocol, which normally
operates in streaming mode (no ACKs... just NAKs which say "Back up
to byte NNN and resend from there").
ZMODEM can also operate in a sliding-window mode... it has a
four-packet window which can be set for a total window size of up to
2k bytes (in the version I use). I find this mode to be _extremely_
useful when sending from a Sun to my Mac. It adds a very useful
degree of protocol-based flow control... the Sun won't overrun the
modem's internal buffers if the line gets noisy and the modems must
retransmit some data. When the connection is clean (no noise), the
window is large enough that the Sun can keep the pipeline full of
data... it gets its ACK back for packet 1 before it has finished
sending packet 4, for example... and the receiving end _never_ sees a
pause in the transmission. It isn't necessary to use XON/XOFF
software flow control, or RTS/CTS hardware flow control.
Quite a few Mac telecom programs now support ZMODEM... ZTerm 0.85,
MicroPhone II, and White Knight come to mind. I don't know which
programs (if any) support sliding-windows KERMIT downloading. On the
Sun, the "rzsz" package provides the necessary host software.
4) Another way to get around protocol-layering problems is to use a
modem which supports protocol spoofing... e.g. the Telebit T-1000 or
TrailBlazer Plus. These modems are very popular for "spoofing"
high-speed uucp connections, and they can also spoof XMODEM and
KERMIT. They aren't in common use on bulletin-board systems or for
general-purpose dialin, however.
5) The Macintosh has only one set of "handshake" lines. The commonest
hookup is to hook the "handshake out" to the modem's DTR pin [so that
the modem hangs up if you quit from your telecom program] and connect
"handshake in" to the carrier-detect pin.
If you want to use hardware flow control, connect "handshake out" to
the modem's "request to send" input, connect "handshake in" to the
modem's "clear to send" output, and configure your modem to use
RTS/CTS handshaking. Not all modems support this sort of
handshaking, as it's not an official part of the original RS-232
specification. If you use this sort of hookup, make sure that you
remember to hang up your modem when you log out... the modem will
_not_ automatically hang up and drop carrier if you quit your telecom
program or shut down the Mac.
--
Dave Platt VOICE: (415) 493-8805
UUCP: ...!{ames,apple,uunet}!coherent!dplatt DOMAIN: dplatt@coherent.com
INTERNET: coherent!dplatt@ames.arpa, ...@uunet.uu.net
USNAIL: Coherent Thought Inc. 3350 West Bayshore #205 Palo Alto CA 94303
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 90 08:11 MST
From: Paul Benjamin <Benjamin@system-m.phx.bull.com>
Subject: InBox 3.0 and HyperCard
I discovered a problem wherein HyperCard is the foreground application
and an incoming message from InBox 3.0 causes my machine to emit a
high-pitched squeal then go into a catatonic state where the mouse can
move the cursor but nothing else works. My first thought was that it
was unique to my configuration (IIfx running 6.0.5) but I have since
reproduced it on IIcxs running 6.0.5 and 6.0.4. I have HyperCard 1.2.5.
Has anyone else seen this? Is there a reason why I can't use an earlier
version of HyperCard? I haven't tried turning off InBox's audio alert
feature, but I really don't want to do that anyway.
Paul Benjamin
Phoenix Product Development
Bull Worldwide Information Systems
Benjamin@SYSTEM-M.PHX.BULL.COM
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 90 21:58:22 CDT
From: Keith Miller <S097907@umrvma.umr.edu>
Subject: Looking for some BinHex Utilities...
As per the subject, I am looking for some utilities for both the VM/CMS and
Unix operating systems which can manipulate Macintosh BinHex files. Any help
will be greatly appreciated.
I am also looking for a PD version of the Unix Shar command for the Mac.
Thanks in advance...
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 90 16:09:01 GMT
From: hysell@newkodak.kodak.com (John Hysell)
Subject: MAC Plus with sick HYPERDRIVE 20
Hi all;
I came across an old MAC Plus with a HYPERDRIVE 20 installed.
The FINDER on the hard drive is damaged, so it fails to boot off
of the HYPERDRIVE, but boots fine off of a diskette. When booted
>From the diskette, however, the hard drive is not automatically
loaded to the desktop. Hence, I can't fix the broken FINDER on the
hard disk...
Doens anyone have any experience that they can share about the
HYPERCARD hard disk? Is there some utility that will force mount it?
I have tried the INSTALLER scripts, and a few SCSI tools, but they all
fail to detect the drive. The drive itself is a miniscribe, and the
drive is attached to a circuit card labelled by the HYPERCARD company.
This circuit board is sandwiched between the MAC motherboard, and the
metal shield/frame.
-thanks;
John Hysell (hysell@kodak.com)
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 90 21:14 PST
From: JOHN LOUCH <LOUCHA%CLARGRAD.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: MCI Mail
Sorry to bring up a old topic, but how is one to send mail To MCI.
I remember it being something like, 000<user id>@MCIMail.com. This
is not working. Also I would like to know how to send Mail from MCI
bitnet.
My address is [loucha@clargrad], please respond to me directly.
Sorry about this old topic,
John Louch
ASD Technical Support
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Date: 8 Jun 90 9:16 +0100
From: "(Mad surfer)" <chaubert@eldi.epfl.ch>
Subject: PowerDrive
Hello all,
I'm interessted in hearing experiences about the use of a 45MB PowerDrive
removable hard drive. If someone bought one, please contact me.
I'd like to know if it works well and if the Syquest mecanism included is the
new 20ms mecanism or the old one.
Please mail me direct ans I'll summarize for the net.
Thamks!
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 90 13:05:15 CDT
From: Jim Wirtanen <MN032773@vm1.nodak.edu>
Subject: Typing Tutor Program responses
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I received the following comments on my question about good typing tutor
programs for people with littel or no keyboarding experience.
>From: Gregg Kasten <proteus@portia.stanford.edu>
Message-Id: <9006070424.AA29953@portia.stanford.edu>
To: MN032773@vm1.nodak.edu
Subject: Mavis Beacon
My sister uses Mavis Beacon. It has some nice features, such as metronome
chiming so you can establish a beat.
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To: MN032773@vm1.nodak.edu
Message-Id: <5453963@ub.cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Type! program
Hi, I saw your note in the info-mac digest asking about typeing programs
and Type! in particular. I received the program as a Xmas present and
have been fairly happy with it. It would be reansonable for kids to
use but is not so cute as to be intolerable for adults. I came to
the program having taken typing classes in high school (~9 years ago),
and usin gthe computer a lot, so I sort of knew what I was doing when
I started. The program might not be as good for the complete typing
novice, I'm not sure. On the whole, I would recomend it.
Good Luck, Fred Dulles
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
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>From: PRAC544 at UTXVM
To: MN032773 at NDSUVM1
Jim:
Try Typing Tutor IV. I forget who it is made by, but my wife has used it and
found it to be quite helpful. It has different levels of skill, so it's not
just for beginner's. Has a nifty "Space Invaders"-style interface for
practice sessions. Runs about $35, I think.
Doug Forbes
Project Manager
Population Research Center
>From: Veljko Roskar <ROSKAR@JHUVMS.BITNET>
Jim,
Sometime ago there was a review of the programs in MacUser and as I recall
Type! took the honors. It is also cheaper than most.
I used Mavis Bacon Teaches Typing on a PC. I heard that the Mac version is
just a port from the PC version, which isn't very intuitive or innovative,
and the menu system is an illogical mess. The copy protection was also
annoying. I don't know whether they are planning to fix up the Mac version.
Best regards,
Veljko Roskar BITNET: roskar@jhuvms.bitnet
Department of Chemical Engineering INTERNET: roskar@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
The Johns Hopkins University UUCP: !mimsy!aplcen!jhunix!roskar
Baltimore, Maryland 21218 tel.: 301-338-7054
U.S.A
z ROSKAR JHUVMS 6/07/90
' Veljko Roskar mn032773@NDSUVM1 6/07/90 Need same info on typing prog
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>From: Chris Vincent <TACVCTV@VM.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject: Typing Tutors
To: mn032773@ndsuvm1
Jim,
Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing from the Software Toolworks is a good program. It
can be had from the mail order houses for about $30. It is copy protected.
However, when you buy it, there is an offer that you can get the unprotected
version for a hard disk for $10. It uses standard typing lessons with a game
for improving your skills in a fun manner. The game is a road race where you
are driving a car.
Typing Tutor IV from Simon & Schuster is also good. It also has a game, but it
is more of a shooting game. The letters and words in the lessons learned fall
>From the sky and you have to type them to blast them before they hit the ground
This program is not protected and costs about $60.
I use both of these in a lab for teaching ESL students how to type and for
helping them learn English.
73's
Chris Vincent
z TACVCTV VM 6/07/90
' Chris Vincent mn032773@ndsuvm1 6/07/90 Typing Tutors
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>From: James Fish <ISTJWF@ASUACAD>
Subject: Typing Program for Mac
To: Jim Wirtanen <mn032773@ndsuvm1>
Hi Jim:
Put my vote in for "Typing Tutor IV" for the Macintosh -- it's been a
favorite program of the students who use our Computer Asssisted Instruction
lab! Unfortunately, you can only have 8 students "registered" at one
time. The company plans on a new version which will allow for more
users. Hope this helps with your decision!
Jim
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: Arizona State University ISTJWF@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU :
: Educational Support Program - YOP :
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