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Info-Mac Digest Thu, 28 Jun 90 Volume 8 : Issue 126 Today's Topics: [*] harmony-fun.hqx [*] hqx-separator-21.hqx [*] music-fun2.hqx back to Ed de Moel Fax-Modem review HELP !!! Mac Graphics Commentary Oztex once again PICT --> HPGL? Serious graphs ! Super Studio Session sounds The Great Fastback Controversy Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 May 90 11:04:39 EDT From: William Ermey <WMERMEY@brownvm.brown.edu> Subject: [*] harmony-fun.hqx THIS IS THE DEMO VERSION OF HARMONY FUN 1.0, AN INTERACTIVE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT BY BROWN UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR WILLIAM ERMEY, TO HELP MASTER SPELLING AND IDENTIFICATION OF TRIADS AND SEVENTH CHORDS AND THEIR INVERSIONS, AND DIATONIC AND CHROMATIC CHORD FUNCTIONS INCLUDING SEC- ONDARY DOMINANTS AND DIMINISHED SEVENTH CHORDS, BORROWED CHORDS, NEAPOLITAN AND AUGMENTED SIXTH CHORDS. QUESTIONS MAY BE ANSWERED FROM THE TYPEWRITER KEYBOARD, OR BY ENTERING THE CORRECT NOTE ON A GRAPHIC PIANO KEYBOARD (OR, IN THE FULL VERSION, ON A MIDI SYNTHESIZER) OR BY ENTERING THE CORRECT NOTE ON THE STAFF USING THE MOUSE. THE PROGRAM RECOGNIZES TRADITIONAL FIGURED-BASS ANALYSIS SYMBOLS AS WELL AS POPULAR MUSIC CHORD SYMBOLS. IT CAN BE SETUP IN FOUR DIFFERENT CLEFS, AND CAN BE CONFIGURED TO WATCH THE USERS RESPONSES AND BASE ITS QUESTIONS ON PREVIOUS ERRORS. IN ADDITION, ALL QUESTIONS MAY BE ANSWERED BASED ON AURAL SKILL TO AID IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF EAR TRAINING ABILITY. REQUIRES 128K ROMS, SYSTEM 6.X, STUFFIT, AND MS WORD4 FOR READING DOCUMENTATION. [Archived as /info-mac/demo/harmony-fun.hqx; 248K] ------------------------------ Date: 26 MAY 90 17:02:09 From: COSC006%unlcdc2.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: [*] hqx-separator-21.hqx ******************** * HQX Separator II * ******************** This little utility will split a large text file full of binhexes into separate files so you can unBinhex them. The file transfer protocols don't work right on my host, so I have to resort to ascii dumping files onto my comm program's Start Capture command. This way, I can "batch" download a bunch of files at a time into one large text file and split them later. Anyway, if you are in the same position I am, this program is what you want. [Archived as /info-mac/util/hqx-separator.hqx; 8K] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 90 11:02:48 EDT From: William Ermey <WMERMEY@brownvm.brown.edu> Subject: [*] music-fun2.hqx THIS IS THE DEMO VERSION OF MUSIC FUN 2.0, AN INTERACTIVE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT BY BROWN UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR WILLIAM ERMEY, TO HELP MASTER SPELLING AND IDENTIFICATION OF NOTE NAMES, ENHARMONIC EQUIVALENTS, MAJOR AND MINOR KEY SIGNATURES AND THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, SCALE FORMS (MAJOR AND THREE MINOR FORMS, CHURCH MODES, WHOLETONE AND PENTATONIC), INTERVALS AND THEIR INVERSIONS, AND TRIADS. QUESTIONS MAY BE ANSWERED FROM THE TYPEWRITER KEYBOARD, OR BY ENTERING THE CORRECT NOTE ON A GRAPHIC PIANO KEYBOARD (OR, IN THE FULL VERSION, ON A MIDI SYNTHESIZER) OR BY ENTERING THE CORRECT NOTE ON THE STAFF USING THE MOUSE POINTER. THE PROGRAM CAN BE SET UP IN FOUR DIFFERENT CLEFS, AND CAN BE CONFIGURED TO WATCH THE USERS RESPONSES AND BASE ITS QUESTIONS ON PREVIOUS ERRORS. IN ADDITION, ALL QUESTIONS MAY BE ANSWERED BASED ON AURAL SKILL TO AID IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF EAR TRAINING ABILITY. REQUIRES 128K ROMS, SYSTEM 6.X, STUFFIT, AND MS WORD4 FOR READING DOCUMENTATION. [Archived as /info-mac/demo/music-fun-20.hqx; 248K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 90 20:34:45 EST From: U90_MALAM@vaxb.stevens-tech.edu (Mehboob Alam) Subject: back to Ed de Moel Long reply to Ed de Moel (has some very useful information, though) > From: Ed de Moel <DEMOEL@ruunda.fys.ruu.nl> > Subject: HELP !!! > Almost a month ago, I asked a simple question. > So far, I got no answer. This is the first time I saw your message. I can't see it as a question, but more of a long diatribe of what constitutes a REAL computer. Most of us using Macintoshes have made our own decisions and have long since tuned out to whines coming from any direction. The purpose of this mail-list to help out other users with answers. > Now: I'm a serious programmer and a serious user of computers. > I've been using computers since several decennia! > The MacIntosh is a pretty new computer and I enjoy playing with it. We are serious people too, and have long since stopped playing 'guess how I work' with other computers and started doing serious work with a Macintosh. I'm surprised at the number of people who voluntarily start using a Mac and then start bitching about limitations, only to find out they don't exist. > BUT: I'm a SERIOUS user, and I'm not just fooling around with > toys. I want to include REAL graphs in my texts, not the mock-ups > I made by hand using a toy like SuperPaint or MacDraw, but a real > graph that was produced by a real program. Such graphs are > produced in accordance to standards that were established more > than 10 years ago. For 'screens', that is TEKTRONIX, for 'pen and > paper', that is HPGL. Few users in their right mind would use the above programs to do graphs, when there are programs designed to graph data. Cricket Graph is still on the market and is a favorite for doing scientific graphs. Cricket Software has now been bought by CA Software, and all Cricket applications are currently undergoing massive upgrades - or so they said more than 6 months ago. Under these circumstances though, I wouldn't recommend it. The new choice is IGOR - which is as powerful as any I have seen elsewhere. It incorporates a basic spreadsheet for entering data and a powerful script language for doing data-transforms. You can even write your own custom functions in C and incorporate it into IGOR's language. Has built-in layout functions for publications quality graphs and takes full advantage of PostScript and the Laserwriter. IGOR is published and developed by WaveMetrics in Oregon. They can be reached at (503) 635-8849. IGOR does not handle pie charts, it is purely a scientific tool and a smashing one at that!!! Lest I be accused of favoritism (I have direct experience with IGOR) there is also KaleidaGraph from Synergy Software (215) 779-0522. It has to capability for most scientific and business graphs and can handle datasets of 32,000 points per variable. It automatically updates the graphs to reflect any changes in the data. > Now, if Apple wants to use their proprietary formats internally, > that's up to them. BUT I AM A SERIOUS USER. I WANT STANDARDS!. Standards serve to retard progress and are usually based on old outdated technology. The Macintosh is optimized to present graphics in an interactive manner, hence the proprietary formats. The STANDARDS are designed for display only devices and do not take into account the interactive nature and power modern personal computing. > As long as I am not able to include a serious graph in a serious > paper, the MacIntosh is a useless toy. The children may play with > it, but the money needs to be earned somehwere in real green > paper. If graphs is what you wanted, you should have phrased your question accordingly. The above paragraph would automatically turn off REAL people who have REAL work to do and are not interested in listening to uninformed people with gripes. > If WordPerfect on the @#%%@@ PC is able to give me what serious > people need, and the MacIntosh is only fit to play games, that > that's what it is. Mind you, I'm SERIOUS now. I like the user > interface that Apple offers me a GOOGOL over the horrid user > interface that the PC forces me to. BUT THE PC IS SOMETHING THAT > LINKS ME UP TO THE REAL WORLD. The PC offers a subset of the potential of the real world. I'm surprised that you did not move right back into the PC world. Since over 5 million of us bought the Macintosh just to play games, what a serious waste of money and time. Especially since some of that time is spent in designing parts of the space station, the next generation solar-powered car, repairing the space shuttle, and designing supercomputers. > I've asked my question a month ago, and I'll repeat it now: > CAN THE MACINTOSH IN ANY WAY DEAL WITH INTERNATIONALLY > STANDARDIZED GRAPHS, or it really just a toy??? Ahhhh. Finally a sane question in bold letters. The polite answer to that is yes. Unfortunately there are many standards in the world, and you did not specify which. HPGL - There are two products available, but I can't get my hands on them right now. Will try to update this note in the future. If it's printing you're interested in there are at least three independant plotter drivers to interface the Macintosh to HP and HI plotters, and every major CAD package ships with their own customized plotter drivers. Tek1040 - VersaTerm Pro is a terminal emulator that displays full Tek1040 type graphics for you to copy and paste into any word-processor or publishing program. VersaTerm is published by Synergy Software at (215) 779-0522. SIXEL - White Pine Software makes a bi-directional SIXEL to PICT (Macintosh format) translator. DEC will also release a translator in their LanWORKs connectivity package. CGM - 'PICTure This' from FGM Inc. (703) 478-9881 can handle the following formats - PC: Targa-16, CGM, Dr. Halo CUT, Gem IMG, Lotus PIC and PCX. Also SUN Raster images, Amiga IFF and RIFF, GIF, Compuserver RLE, X11 bitmaps. The Macintosh target format for all these is the PICT2 format. PCX, PIC, TIFF - DataViz Corp. makes a translator set called MacLink/Plus that supports a bunch of word-procesing, spreadsheet, database and graphic formats between the PC and Macintosh. The graphic translators include PCX (PC-PaintBrush), PIC (Lotus 1-2-3), TIFF (various scanners etc.) and the Macintosh formats PICT and PICT2. They have also released special links to the SUN SparcStation that includes (I think) CGM translators and any other format that is specific to the SUN environment. There is also a special version that will like the Macintosh to the NeXT computer. DXF, IGES - Claris Corp. who is the publisher/developer of some of the best Macintosh software, also makes a translator for their Claris CAD package that can translate IGES and DXF files to PICT and CCAD formats in both directions. Targa - Target published by Abra (303) 820-2272 converts Targa images >From the PC to Macintosh PICT2 format. > I will accept only serious answers, because this a really serious > question! Now, let me tell about standards, since you have only been using standards that were formed more than 20 years ago. The Macintosh wasn't designed to propogate those functionaly obsolete standards and the computers they were designed for. The Macintosh has now established itself as a modern standard for usability and interaction. On its way it has also helped establish PostScript as the standard for high-quality printing. And appealing to your programmer side, the Macintosh has helped establish object-oriented programming and design as a modern standard for software design and implementation. > Ed de Moel. > Physically: Electronically: Hybrid: > University of Utrecht BITNET: demoel@hutruu51 Phone: +31 (30) 532239 > Princetonplein 5 DIALCOM: 12428:PGA005 > PO BOX 80000 > 3508 TA Utrecht > The Netherlands In the future, please phrase your questions intelligently and politely, without the immature posturing about SERIOUS and REAL world. And you will receive the informative and intelligent answers. And PLEASE, welcome to the real world... I also hope you have a lot of that REAL green bills to satisfy your needs... Mehboob Alam MD_MALAM@SITVXC (Student, Computer Science) MD_MALAM@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU P.O. Box S-32 Castle Point Station Stevens Institute of Technology Hoboken, N.J. 07030 ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 90 14:09 EDT From: KEARNS@huhepl Subject: Fax-Modem review Netters, A few weeks ago I solicited information on Fax-modems. I only got two replies... (thank you). I have since purchased a Prometheus 2400 Baud Fax Modem and "helped" my friend get a Zoom Telephonics 2400 baud Fax Modem. I have noticed new solicitations for information popping up, so I'll summarize my impressions now. These are just my opinions, I don't have any ties with either company. I haven't taken the time to do an exhaustive review. Prometheus ProModem: $209 from several mail-order houses in MacWeek/World/User. It comes with Fax and general communication software and cable. -The Fax software (BackFax) works as a printer driver (use Chooser) so you can Fax anything you can print. Because Fax resolution is 300 dpi, you can get very high quality output by having bit mapped fonts 3x larger than your 72 dpi screen font. They provide several: Courier, Symbol, TmsRmn and Helv in 9-72 point size. I don't know why they don't provide "Times" rather than "TmsRmn"... the 12 point font looks identical but I assume that to get the high quality scaling you need the same name for the 12 point screen font and the 36 point font. REQUEST: DOES ANYONE HAVE 27-30-36-42 pt Times and Helvetica? -Faxes can be immediately sent in the background; the spooling is handled by an INIT. -They provide a management program that stores rasterized files and lets you retransmit them, delete them etc. It uses an In Drawer - Out Drawer metaphor. This program also lets you set up various parameters, manage an Fax address book including distribution lists, select a cover page etc. -The communications software is MacKnowledge. It did not impress me. For terminal emulation, it just did not act intuitively in a few cases. It seems to have good a good scripting language if you're in to that. -The Prometheus rep told me on the phone that an upgrade to send/recieve Fax capability is available. Zoom Telephonics ZoomModem: $129 + $12 for cable if needed. It comes with a communications program that is also used to send Faxes. -The Fax software (QuickLink I) is a stand-alone communications program with a menu command for sending Faxes. So you save your word processor output and then send it. This isn't so bad for light duty, but here's the catch: you can only send files saved as TEXT (or TIFF or PICT or MacPaint). That is... you lose font/style information... everything comes out 12pt Geneva (if I recall correctly). I have tried running the Zoom Quicklink software on the Promodem... no dice... it dials and then fails to transmit. I haven't tried running the Promodem BackFax Software on the Zoom Modem. Fortunately, my friend who got the Zoom modem was mostly interested in an inexpensive 2400 baud modem. The Fax capability was going to be a bonus. I seems to work fine as a modem and sending Faxes (within its very limited scope). The Promodem also works well as a modem and the Fax capabilities seem very broad. I haven't really tried to push it yet. In both cases the output is very clean; this is no doubt due to the lack of a scanning stage as in paper fed faxes. In particular, the high resolution available by having 3x fonts gives you laserwriter quality output at the receiving end. I can recommend the Promodem as a fax-modem. I can also recommend the Zoom modem as an inexpensive modem but you should be aware that its fax capabilities are limited. Best wishes, Ed Kearns KEARNS@HUHEPL.HARVARD.EDU (Internet) Harvard U. High Energy Physics Lab KEARNS@HUHEPL (Bitnet) P.S. My two replies: ================================================== In my opinion, you might as well go for a send/receive fax modem, if you want fax capablility at all. The InterFax 48/96 is a 4800 buad modem and 9600 baud fax machine. And the mail order price is reasonable. Personaly, I've had bad luck with Promethus modems. I bought a 1200 baus modem from them in 1985, and it died 3 1/2 years later. The cost of fixing it is $75. YOu can buy a new 1200 baud for that today. If fax ability isn't that important, you cannot beat the Practical Peripheral's 2400. 5 year's of protection and it's under $200. Well, that's my two cents worth on modems. (Scott 'Brez' Bresnahan) ================================================== I send/receive maybe one fax a week on average and have an Abaton 48/12 InterFax. It works great (except for a minor bug when printing some received Faxes to the LaserWriter IINT in the office. Good software with receive in the background (without having the control program launched. Since Faxes tend to have poor quality scanners as their Achilles heel, people call me up to whom I've sent a Fax and ask "WHAT did you send that fax on - It's the best I've ever seen!" The newer InterFax is faster, but more expensive; unless you're sending to Fiji regularly or send a lot, it's probably more important to have the speed for the data part of the modem, which works flawlessly. Only a satisfied customer, John Livesey ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 90 20:20:37 PDT From: palmer%gap.caltech.edu@tybalt.caltech.edu (David Palmer) Subject: HELP !!! Use 'Versaterm PRO' or some other terminal program that emulates a TEK 4014 to receive the graph. Cut it from the graphics window and paste it wherever you want. -- David Palmer palmer@gap.cco.caltech.edu ...rutgers!cit-vax!gap.cco.caltech.edu!palmer I have the power to cloud men's minds -- or at least my own. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 90 00:02:53 MDT From: EPETERS%CSUGREEN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Mac Graphics Commentary Hello Fellow Netters: I wrote the missive below after reading Ed de Moel's first message, but before reading his second. I decided to send it anyway, because it contains some information that I hope will help him (and others, too). I'm _NOT_ trying to be mean, Ed. Really. OW! LEGGO! ------------------------- START OF TIRADE -------------------------- I would like to echo the sentiments expressed by Christopher Anderson regarding comments made by Ed de Moel regarding graphics on the Mac. Anyone with any experience at all in the presentation of data should have realized by now that there is no such beast as a 'standardized graph', nor should there be. How data are best presented depends on the data and the information that data is to convey to the viewer. (which will in turn depend on the intended audience). Learning what constitutes a good graphic does not have to be the result of extensive training in the graphic arts: anyone who has read a few papers or attended a few seminars has seen for themselves what works and what doesn't. The fact is, if I see another 'standardized' graph (which appears to comprise one that includes hideous and illegible color combinations, and/or text too small to be read), I may hurl. In my department, we have a professor who insists on such standards, to the point of specifying the font size and myriad other minutiae for all graphs issuing from his laboratory. His post-doc (who is a Mac fanatic) is able to meet these criteria, albeit by crippling the prowess of his programs to reduce them to the least common denominator produced by his boss' MS-DOS clunker. Although this stifles creativity, at least the Mac lets him get it over with more quickly. In addition to having great good taste as shown by his association with the University of Georgia, Chris makes another excellent point. Ed, baby, can we talk? If you are using SUPERPAINT to generate your graphics, no WONDER you're so cranky! ;~). There are LOADS of excellent and inexpensive graphics programs that will generate almost any type of graph you could ever want. In addition to CricketGraph, I recommend the more flexible (and powerful) KaleidaGraph, which has strong data filtering capabilities. I can also recommend DeltaGraph for its low price, 3-D graphics, color, and its ability to import graphics created in other programs in a variety of formats. For more complicated modelling and curve fitting, I can also recommend Passage II and Igor. Using these packages, I only rarely need to resort to exporting output to _object oriented_ graphics programs (FreeHand is my favorite) for touch-ups. In closing, let me say that I am a scientist, not a graphic artist, although I do generate a large number of graphics for co-workers to supplement my meager grad student income (snivel). Nevertheless, I and others using slides made by me have won several prizes in various student paper competitions. Many of these were plain ol' white on blue slides photographed from LaserWriter output. --------------------------- END OF TIRADE ---------------------------- I am glad that Ed received suggestions on products that might make his aim of integrating more of what he needs to do on a single platform a little easier. If he can now induce his programs to output their results in ASCII, I think he will find the above recommended programs to be worthwhile (even if he needs to write one little conversion utility). I stand my recommendation of the above-mentioned programs: they will allow you to create graphics beyond your wildest dreams, and even embed them in your manuscripts! *************************************************************************** * Eric L. Peters BBS/DATA: 223-0229 * * Dept. of Radiology and Radiation Biology GEnie: E.PETERS2 * * Colorado State University America Online: Eryx * * Fort Collins, CO 80523 BITNET: EPETERS@CSUGREEN * * Voice: (303) 491-5343 FAX: 491-0623 INTERNET: EPETERS@ * * 226-3610 CSUGREEN.UCC.COLOSTATE.EDU * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 90 11:09:34 +1000 From: rad@arp.anu.oz.au Subject: Oztex once again In comp.sys.mac.digest you write: >Could someone email me the location of an ftp site for Oztex? I know of three sites: tank.uchicago.edu giza.cis.ohio-state.edu ss01.pppl.gov I got what I needed from the first of these, but had to rename one of the PK-files folders (from 329 to 328) and the format file (from latex.tex to LaTeX.tex) to make everything work smoothly. All of the stuff is in .sit.hqx form except for the fonts, which are binary .sit files in the directory OzTeX/binary. The directory OzTeX is in pub/sources. Robin Davies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 90 16:41:03 -0700 From: cckweiss@castor.ucdavis.edu Subject: PICT --> HPGL? Someone recently recommended a product to convert HPGL plotter commands into a PICT format Mac file. My problem is the opposite. I'd like to create PICT or EPS or PostScript files and convert them into HPGL commands for output on the antiquated film recorder available here. They just won't spring for a Forte with PostScript RIP. I've seen one product that does this conversion, but only at screen resolution. I'm looking for something better than that, even if I have to see all my fonts converted into that angular plotter stuff. Thanks for any suggestions. Ken Weiss cckweiss@castor.ucdavis.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 1990 19:10:02 PDT From: Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca (Sundar) Subject: Serious graphs ! In digest V8 #124, Ed de Moel writes: >than 10 years ago. For 'screens', that is TEKTRONIX, for 'pen and >paper', that is HPGL. >Now, if Apple wants to use their proprietary formats internally, >that's up to them. BUT I AM A SERIOUS USER. I WANT STANDARDS!. .... >CAN THE MACINTOSH IN ANY WAY DEAL WITH INTERNATIONALLY >STANDARDIZED GRAPHS, or it really just a toy??? I am not too sure if vector devices/protocols can be called 'the only serious standard' in this day and age when raster displays (including hardcopy) seem to be the norm across a very wide range of systems. And raster imaging is definitely not Apple's proprietary format. Our group is involved in (very serious) paper publication and we use the Mac extensively for this purpose with excellent results. Most of our graphing is done by packages like DISSPLA on platforms like the IBM 3081 mainframe, SUN and VAX workstations. However, we always render the final form of the graph in PostScript and bring it over to the Mac. We use a program to get the corresponding bitmap of the PostScript code using an attached laserwriter and append it to the PostScript file. This graph is then 'placed' in a PageMaker document for final touching up (if needed). The bitmap just helps in proper placement of the graphic(s) on the page. Once our document is ready, there are a wide variety of output devices to choose from ... 2400dpi Linotronics to our own 300dpi laserwriter. And what finally comes out on paper is first rate stuff (the graphs are rendered in full PostScript precision). PostScript is a very good page description language (of course, there's always room for improvement), is very well suited to the personal workstation environment and is a widely accepted standard. In addition to this technique, there are some pretty good Mac graphing applications available now ( a package called IGOR seems to be getting some attention ). Note, nowhere did I mention Superpaint or MacDraw mockups. These are real graphs from real data using real standards and these were dealt with on the Mac. Maybe if Ed had explored some options, he may have reached a different conclusion. I however agree with him that the Mac is a toy, but oh what a toy !!! (and infinitely more fun to play with than a PC). Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca <Internet> userffa3@ubcmtsg <Bitnet> Civil Engineering UBC, Vancouver V6T 1W5 CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 90 09:40 EST From: <DLARRICK%TUFTS.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Super Studio Session sounds Does anyone have a good pipe organ patch for Super Studio Session, or a sampled sound of held pipe organ notes in several octaves? (For those who don't know, one can convert the latter into the former quite easily.) I am just about finished entering Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor into Super Studio Session, but it sounds kinda silly being played with the guitar patch :-/ If I am able to make this piece sound right, I will share it with the net. Perhaps I (and others) will post other music as well. Doug Larrick dlarrick@tufts.bitnet Opinion? Did anyone hear an opinion? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 90 9:46 GMT From: Big Nose <LAWA%IAPE.AFRC.AC.UK@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: The Great Fastback Controversy Dear All, I've been reading the latest exchanges in the Fastback debate with some interest, and it reminded me that I had seen something along these lines before. So I hunted about, and sure enough I found it. I have an INIT stored away called SafeEject which is specifically designed to prevent the kind of damage described. It's written by Jay Riley and dated May 24th 1989 and I enclose the following quote from the About... file that accompanies it:- "I have been told by John Sawyer and Chuck Meyer of CJS systems that ... ... if the read/write heads are towards the outer edge of the diskette (which they typically are) they will every once in a while catch on the shutter door of the diskette and tear off as it is ejecting, permanently damaging the drive." Apparently the FDHD doesn't have the problem as it parks itself before ejecting. However, if the FDHD parks in software, like this INIT does, then bypassing the software to keep the drive spinning may also render the FDHD drive susceptible. I'm sure I got this INIT from a UK source, but I'm sure it must have come >From the US originally. If anyone has problems locating it, then drop me a line and I'll mail it to you. Disclaimer:- I have never even seen a copy of Fastback, and I have never used this INIT 'cos I have a FDHD in my SE. I therefore don't know what I'm talking about. Absolute disclaimer:- "READ MY LIPS. I NEVER SAID ANY OF THE ABOVE" Cheers, Andy Law LAWA@UK.AC.AFRC.IAPE Big Nose in Edinburgh ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************