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Info-Mac Digest Mon, 1 Oct 90 Volume 8 : Issue 164 Today's Topics: [*] Replies to network backup question [*] VirusDetective 4.0.3 [*] VolumeImage [*] ZirkleOne-Laser-Font An Object Pascal question. Apple CD-ROM drive and the IIfx Asante Ethernet Cards Asante Ethernet cards for Mac SE, SE/30, II's Creation date of a hard drive volume Error trapping in Turbo Pascal. How do I reverse B&W of the menu bar? how to contact foreign HyperCard distributors Info-Mac Digest V8 #159 Inverted screen Is there an X server for Mac OS? Latest OzTeX v1.3 (?) McDraw II problems.. Molecular Biology Analysis Software NetWork processor and distributed computing on the mac New virus: information for SAM 2 users Norton Utilities Problems printing... Quest for BBS Host Software SCSI hard disk problem SND specs Sports scheduling software? TOPS & 512 woes. Your Info-Mac Moderators are Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files are in /info-mac/help. Indices are in /info-mac/help/recent-files.txt and /info-mac/help/all-files.txt. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri 28 Sep 90 16:18:24-PST From: ROHAN%ASTRO.SPAN@star.stanford.edu Subject: [*] Replies to network backup question Recently I made a request for information about networked tape backups these are the replies I recieved. They were edited slightly for space (sorry if this bothers someone). Thanks to all who responded. Here is the original query: > I am wondering if anyone out there does unattended tape backups > overnight on an Appletalk network (either with AppleShare or TOPS > using both PC's and Mac's). This ability is hinted at in many of > the tape backup manufacturer's ads but has anyone actually implemented > it? Is it easy to do? What tape drives do you suggest? We have > looked briefly at Tecmar. [Archived as /info-mac/report/network-tape-backup.txt; 12K] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 90 15:24:05 EDT From: baks!pizza!jshul@bagate.uucp (Jeff Shulman) Subject: [*] VirusDetective 4.0.3 A new strain of the ANTI virus was recently discovered in France (called ANTI B.) A new search string to catch both variants, which replaces the old search string, is: Resource Start & Pos -1100 & WData 000FA146#90F#80703 ; For finding ANTI A & B IUve also taken this time to fix a minor bug with VirusDetective where under certain obscure circumstances a crash could occur. VirusDetective is a DA for tracking down viruses (or any resources) in files. You specify the resource type and various attributes. Once the offending resource is found it can optionally be removed from the file (use this feature with caution) or file deleted. The user can update the search list at any time. Shareware. Jeff Shulman jshul@baks.bell-atl.com Unbinex'ing this file will give you a self-extracting Compactor archive. [Archived as /info-mac/virus/virus-detective-403.hqx; 120K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:05:36 -0400 From: brian e topping <topping@cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: [*] VolumeImage VolumeImage 0.64 is an incremental backup/restore utility. It's distinctive features include the ability to completely restore a hard disk without user intervention and optionally shut down the machine when it is finished. While it copies the disk, it sets folder windows and icons on the destination to the same position as the source. When it is done, it can optionally write the boot blocks and set the startup application on the destination disk. New features since 0.62 include correct operation on AUFS volumes, the ability to set the startup application on the destination drive, and the ability to move (rather than delete) files on the destination that do not have a corresponding source file to a "Lost & Found" folder. This archive includes a copy of VolumeImage 0.64 and documentation in TeachText format. It is the same as the archive available for anonymous FTP from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (128.146.8.98). This program is Shareware $10.00 by Brian Topping <topping@cis.ohio-state.edu> [Archived as /info-mac/util/volume-image-064.hqx; 99K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 90 10:12:32 CDT From: bobs@saintjoe.edu (Bob Schenk) Subject: [*] ZirkleOne-Laser-Font Attached is ZirkleOne, a PostScript Type 1 font intended to replace Zirkle, which I sent to the archives about a year ago. It is a rather strange display font in two weights, plain and bold. More information is in the Read-Me document with it. - Robert Schenk [Archived as /info-mac/font/zirkle-one.hqx; 60K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 08:27 PDT From: DAVID JOHN BURROWES <YODER@oregon.uoregon.edu> Subject: An Object Pascal question. I have a question concerning Object Pascal. I am using TML Pascal II 3.1, but I understand that this does not differ significantly from MPW Pascal in this regard. I want to declare two classes, where each contains a variable of the other's type. That is: TYPE aaa = Object theOtherOne : bbb; END; bbb = Object notMe : aaa; END; Does anyone out there have any ideas about how to do something like this? Everything I've tried has resulted in no succes. (For whatever it's worth. My 'actual' goal is to have methods in each object that can call the other one. But I think a solution to the above will cast enough light on this.) Thank you for whatever insights you have. \david john burrowes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 21:03:07 PDT From: dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) Subject: Apple CD-ROM drive and the IIfx > I recently upgraded my IIx to an fx. But I now regretted the change. > My previously fine Apple CDROM no longer reads properly. I tried the same > CD ROMS on a drive connected with the good old II and they worked fine. > The fx is too fast!!! Similar problems were encountered with the Superdrives. > Anybody has the same experiences? Can anyone help me? > IS APPLE LISTENING???!!! There are several ways in which the high speed of the IIfx SCSI interface can cause problems with CD-ROM drives and other external SCSI peripherals. Fortunately, it's usually possible to work around these problems. 1) Termination. The IIfx SCSI bus is so fast that its state-transitions can load down the terminator-power line and cause false transitions to occur on other lines. Apple has addressed this problem by releasing two special terminator units for the IIfx. The IIfx external terminator should be installed at the _very_end_ of the external SCSI bus... it should be plugged into the second SCSI port on the last device on the bus, and any internal terminators in this or any other external SCSI device should be removed. This external terminator has a decoupling capacitor installed on the TERMPWR line; this will greatly reduce the risk of power-bounce and signal leakage between lines. Apple also released a terminator-filter module for use inside the IIfx. If your IIfx has an internal hard disk, this module should be plugged into the disk's SCSI header, and the IIfx's internal SCSI ribbon cable should be plugged into the module. If your IIfx has no internal hard disk, this filter and the Apple-supplied internal terminator should be connected together and plugged into the IIfx internal SCSI port. 2) Proper bus topology. The SCSI bus should be wired up as a true bus... a single long piece of wire (interrupted by jacks and connectors). There should be few (and preferably _no_) stubs... pieces of wire which run "off to the side" of the main bus. Stubs cause reflections on the bus, and the IIfx is so fast that its SCSI chip is more prone to being bothered by reflections than many other SCSI devices. The SCSI-1 specification does allow for the presence of stubs... but they should be no longer than .1 meter (4 inches), shouldn't be closer together than 12", and their number should be very limited. My belief is that a IIfx is so fast that the presence of _any_ stubs on the bus can cause problems. Unfortunately, many consumer-type SCSI peripherals are poorly configured. A SCSI box (e.g. a CD-ROM drive) usually has two SCSI ports. The proper configuration is to have a ribbon cable which is attached to one port, loops over to the drive controller, and then loops back to the second SCSI port. This ensures that the controller is right "on the bus". However, many SCSI devices simply run a ribbon cable from the first SCSI port to the second, and then continue it over to the drive controller board (at which location the ribbon cable ends). This turns the ribbon cable into a stub... frequently an unterminated stub. I understand that the Apple CD-ROM drive (some models, at least) is wired up the wrong way... with a stub to the drive, rather than with the more correct "horseshoe" cable loop. This can sometimes cause an Apple CD-ROM drive to fail to work with a IIfx, where it would work properly with a slower machine such as a II. The right way to deal with this sort of problem is to rewire the drive... remove the old ribbon cable and install a new one in the "horseshoe" configuration. This is quite feasible (I've done it to a non-Apple SCSI drive), but is not for the faint of heart... it's easy to install the "vampire" insulation-displacing connectors incorrectly, and accidentally short out the SCSI bus. Another way to deal with this problem (less "correctly" but rather more easily) is to try substituting a different external SCSI cable for the one you're using. Switching to a longer cable (6', 8', or even 12') often reduces the severity of reflection problems... the extra cable length damps down the amplitude of the reflections somewhat, and also delays them a bit. This may resolve your problems. 3) Bus-handshaking speed. The IIfx SCSI chip responds very rapidly to phase changes on the bus, and there are a few drives which are somewhat baffled by the speed with which the IIfx responds. I understand that the Toshiba XM-3201 CD-ROM mechanism is affected in this way... I guess I'll find out for myself, as I have one of these and my IIfx upgrade is due to arrive in a few weeks. As with reflection-triggered problems, it's sometimes possible to deal with handshaking-speed problems by using a longer SCSI cable. The guy I spoke to at Toshiba said that "an 8-foot cable usually does it, 10 feet is almost certain. I'd suggest going for a 12-foot cable if possible". So... I'd suggest that you check your termination (use the Apple-supplied IIfx internal and external terminators, and remove any vendor-supplied internal termination in your peripherals), and try rearranging your SCSI bus... use a longer cable between your IIfx and your first peripheral, and try installing a longer daisy-chain cable between your two peripherals. Re your SuperDrive problems... I can't help you too much there, I'm afraid. -- ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 90 12:45:00 CDT From: "Coons, David" <ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu> Subject: Asante Ethernet Cards Recently, there was a query about Asante's Ethernet cards for the Mac. Our experience here at Texas Tech was that the Asante cards were not 100% compatible with the Apple and Kinetics cards. Specifically, the Asantes would not work on our campus TCP/IP-based network (using NCSA Telnet software) until downward adjustments were made to some of Telnet's configuration parameters. It seemed the Asante cards couldn't keep up with network traffic as well as the Apple or Kinetics cards, but once the adjustments were made, they seemed to work OK albeit slower (but who can tell at 10,000,000 bits per second? :-) ). If it's any help, the adjustments we made were to set mtu=512 and maxseg=512 instead of 1024 and 1024 in Telnet's CONFIG.TEL file. Of course, your specific hardware and software situation may render this information totally useless. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 15:36:52 PDT From: cooper@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Mitch Cooper) Subject: Asante Ethernet cards for Mac SE, SE/30, II's I read of a request for information on Asante Ethernet Mac cards ( kaminski@outlaw ) and a response from Bob Stewart (stewart@xyplex) dated September 19, 1990. Installation is easy, software is adequate but falls short of giving access to anything other than AFP networks. If you want to go TCP/IP networks ( vax's and sun's ). You must obtain MacTCP from APDA for $100. Other cards for Mac SE, SE/30, II's ( watch out for IIci's ) are Novell's - EtherPort SE, EtherPort SE/30, EtherPort II. 3Com's - EtherLink/NB and EtherLink/SE. Interlan - MacConnect NIA310. Cabletron - DNI cards. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 22:53:41 PDT From: hplabs!fredc%pro-humanist.cts.com@labrea.stanford.edu (Fred Condo, sysop) Subject: Creation date of a hard drive volume I have a CMS 140-meg drive of 1986 vintage. Its creation date is always in 1904, even when I reformat it. Does anyone know of a utility or a procedure to correct the creation date on a disk volume? Fred Condo. Pro-Humanist BBS: 818/339-4704 300/1200/2400 bps Internet: fredc@pro-humanist.cts.com BitNet: condof@clargrad UUCP: crash!pro-humanist!fredc ARPA: crash!pro-humanist!frec@nosc.mil matter: PO Box 2843, Covina, CA 91722 America Online: FredJC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 19:17 EDT From: Matt <SMH9666%OBERLIN.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Error trapping in Turbo Pascal. I am trying to use Macsbug (Vers. 5.4, if that helps) to debug Pascal programs run under Turbo. It works fine if I compile them to disk, and then run them, but if a program crashes while running under Turbo, the built in error trapping takes over and it's harder for me to figure out what went wrong. I even tried setting the procptr in InitDialogs to a procedure which invokes the debugger, but Turbo still got there before me. Is there some way to turn this off, or must I sacrifice interactive (well, somewhat interactive) environments to be able to use Macsbug? Matt Hall SMH9666@OBERLIN ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 90 04:42 CST From: Youhei Morita (Univ. of Tsukuba) <MORITA%FNAL.BITNET@uicvm.uic.edu> Subject: How do I reverse B&W of the menu bar? Howdy! Pardon me if this is one of the 'frequently asked questions', but... I'm a novice Mac programmer that is just beginning to learn C. I'm now writing a small program which displays star atlas on a black window. I find that the white menu bar and the window handle bar very disturbing while stars are shown in tiny white dots. (Does anyone remember a good old shareware "Orion"? :-) Then I came to think of the game "Shufflepuck". This game reverses the black and white of the menu bar while you are playing. My question is, how do I reverse the B&W of the menu bar? Can I do the same for the window handle? I'm using THINK C 4.0. Thanks in advance... # BTW, does anyone have a public domain, machine readable star catalog? # Any catalog of up to magnitude 6 would be fine for me. $!+++ Youhei Morita ( C D F ) High Energy Physics Lab, Univ. of Tsukuba HEPnet: UTKBP::MORITA Tsukuba, Ibaraki, 305, JAPAN Bitnet: MORITA@JPNKEKVX (or MORITA@FNAL) Phone: 0298-53-4270 JUNET: morita%utkbp.decnet@kekvax.kek.ac.jp FAX: 0298-52-5184 $!--- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 90 22:02:55 CDT From: janus@ux.acs.umn.edu Subject: how to contact foreign HyperCard distributors I am interested in finding out about stacks that have been developed abroad, specifically in Scandinavia. Of most interest would be language-oriented ones (human languages, not computer ones!) Any ideas? Addresses? Tusen takk. Louis Janus Scandinavian Dept U of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 55455 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 90 10:39:15 -0900 From: "AB J KUENZLI" <FTAJK%ALASKA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Info-Mac Digest V8 #159 Probably some font id number conflict. Easiest thing I know is to use Apfont (a shareware init). It will allow you to have a default font set for all programs. Should be in the archives somewhere! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 90 13:45:48 GMT From: Bruno <RESSA%IBACSATA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Inverted screen Does anyone know if it is possible to invert the normal B/W screen (or just a window) on a Mac SE ? Someone told me that exists an INIT to do it, but I don't know the name. I'd like to use it while wordprocessing (MS Word or Mac Write ^) or drawing (Superpaint ^). Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 10:49:01 EDT From: Bob Stewart <stewart@xyplex.com> Subject: Is there an X server for Mac OS? White Pine Software sells one called eXodus. Apple has MacX. I have MacX. It works. Bob ----------- Bob Stewart (rlstewart@eng.xyplex.com) Xyplex, Boxborough, Massachusetts (508) 264-9900 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 90 13:56:46 EDT From: Loki Jorgenson Rm421 <loki@physics.mcgill.ca> Subject: Latest OzTeX v1.3 (?) Can anyone elaborate on rumours that the latest version (1.3?) of Mac-based TeX will soon be available? Where it can be had? When? If it is only a wild rumour? Regards, __ __ / / \ \ Loki Jorgenson / /\/\/\/\/\/\ \ node: loki@physics.mcgill.ca Physics, McGill University < < > > fax: (514) 398-3733 Montreal Quebec CANADA \ \/\/\/\/\/\/ / phone: (514) 398-6531 \_\ /_/ __ __ <_< Lurking with the intent to skulk >_> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 19:07 U From: <JAMESLOW%ITIVAX.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: McDraw II problems.. Hi, I had a problem with MacDraw II printing to the QMS colour printer model 20. The colour did not turn out right for any "irregular" shapes, ie. those that are drawn with the polygon tool. All of them turned out black regardless of what colour I painted them. I then saved the drawing as PICT files and loaded up to Powerpoint and it printed correctly. So, I wonder is this a bug in MacDraw II version 1.1? If it isn't, where have I gone wrong? Has anyone encountered this problem and rectified it? It is rather boring porting my drawings to Powerpoint just to print. Also, I noted from the digest that there are a few references to Apple ][ in the digest. Forgive my ignorance and confusion, are they refering to those machines I used in 1981? I was using Apple ][ and Apple ][+ in my school lab then. (Immediately after those days, the IBM PCs invaded the market here and I was forced to use them until Mac came) If there are, are there still support for such machines (I had one sitting at home and I dont know what to do with it). Thanks in advance for any information. James Low Information Technology Institute National Computer Board Singapore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 90 13:48:23 GMT From: Bruno <RESSA%IBACSATA.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: Molecular Biology Analysis Software I'm looking for programs (PD, SW or FW) on molecular biology analysis (restriction mapping, sequence analysis, comparisons) and/or demo-version of commercial ones. Does anyone know where I can find them? (My system is a MacSE with HD40, FDHD, 2Mram). Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 18:49:59 CET From: "Guenther Sawitzki, StatLab Heidelberg" <J40%DHDURZ1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: NetWork processor and distributed computing on the mac There have been some questions about the NetWork processor on the nets lately. Yes. The NetWork processor allows distributed computing on the Mac using AppleTalk (any brand). Yes. It allows interprocess communication under MacOs 6.x as well as under MacOs 7.x Yes. It is available. Version 0.9b2 is on Apple developer's CD IV. The recent version is 1.0b1, which is available via anonymous ftp from math.uni-heidelberg.de <129.206.103.100>. Be aware that the full material is 1.5 MB, or 800 as .sit file, and make sure to use binary ftp. No. There is are no C interfaces available at present. YesNo. It runs under The A/UX Mac shell, but not idle machines are not identified as potential compute servers under A/UX G. Sawitzki <J40@DHDURZ1.Bitnet> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 10:03:59 EDT From: "Joel B. Levin" <levin@bbn.com> Subject: New virus: information for SAM 2 users Forwarded for Paul Cozza, author of SAM. /JBL *********************** For SAM 2.0 Users: A new virus has been discovered in France. It is a strain of the ANTI virus, and was named ANTI-ANGE by its discoverer. It is very similar to ANTI. It attacks only applications, and generally exhibits the same behaviour as ANTI. It has certain bugs (which the previous ANTI does not have) which can cause applications to crash once infected. If you are using SAM 2.0 and have configured SAM Intercept in the Standard, Advanced, or Custom levels, then SAM will alert you when ANTI-ANGE attempts to change an application's code. Denying this attempt keeps ANTI from spreading. Using Virus Clinic you may also add a new virus definition to identify this virus by name. The fields for the virus definition are: Virus Name: ANTI Resource Type: CODE Resource ID: 1 Resource Size: Any Search String: 000A317CFFFF000CA033303C0997A146 (hexadecimal) Search Offset: Any (or, for later versions of SAM, -886 will also work) Paul Cozza SAM Author *********************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 15:16:23 CEN From: Geoffrey Parsons <SGPARSON%WKYUVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> Subject: Norton Utilities Hail NetRunners, Norton seems to have some very nice features, but all the bugs are not worked out yet. I have tried to restore a file I deleted right before shutdown. I came back later and tried to restore the file and Norton recovered the file, but the program that created it wouldn't load the file! Quite nice. MacWeek reviewed the product and reported Norton will over recover files. Also, DirectoryAssistance and Boomorang will not co-exist. Boomorang just goes poof (not there.) Speed disk might be fast but DiskExpress is much more reliable. If DE crasses you lost one file, speed disk can trash the whole drive. Geoffrey Parsons WKU ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 90 20:56:26 EDT From: dmg@lid.mitre.org (David Gursky) Subject: Problems printing... My Mac has suddenly developed problems trying to print. When I instruct an application to print, the document is queued up to Print Monitor with no problems, but Print Monitor will quit unexpectedly soon after the first "Looking for Laserwriter" message appears, and the Mac hangs soon thereafter. I have tried: Replacing the System Software (v6.0.5) Replacing the Laserwriter driver (v6.0.1) Reverting to System Software 6.0.4 Printing in Finder Turning off all the INITs to no avail (the latter two done in combination with the former three). I can successfully print from other Macs to the Laserwriter in question with a given document, furthermore, if I boot my Mac from one of the Startup floppies I have around, I can print that document from that floppy on my Mac. I do not believe this is a hardware problem, but I can't think of any piece of software involved in printing that I have not tried replacing. Any clues folks? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 90 18:52:40 -0400 From: bda@uengr.calvin.edu (Bruce Abernethy) Subject: Quest for BBS Host Software During the summer of 1991 I want to set up a BBS for Macintosh users and educators in my area. I have been trying to get information on BBS host systems for a while now and am quite confused. Is there a STANDARD Macintosh host system or are they as varied as communication and word processing packages? Are there any systems that would support two or more lines? Are there any that use e-mail packages that would be compatible with UNIX, Internet, or Bitnet standards? Are there lists of such BBSs that have been established that I could cooperate and share data with? About how much will this venture cost me? Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please respond directly to me and I will compile common and helpful replies for the net. Bruce Abernethy Calvin College, Computer Center Hotline Grand Rapids, MI 49546 (616) 957-8555 <bda@uengr.calvin.edu> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 1990 0:34:06 EDT From: JQG9462@acfcluster.nyu.edu Subject: SCSI hard disk problem Hi, My friend has an Apple Hard Disk 20SC connected to a Mac Plus. But the hard disk never worked. It seems to me that the cables are connected correct. When the disk is turned on, the fan does work. But the light of the disk never blinks, even when the Mac Plus is turned on. I assume that an unintialized disk will not respond to the computer, thus the light won't blink. (Which I doubt.) When I tried to initialize the hard disk using the hard disk setup utility, the program told me it was trying to searching for an SCSI disk. But it can never find it, so the machine is busy forever. I tried to reset the hard disk priority, but that didn't work. kx Is the SCSI cable very special? I found that the resistance between several pins are several hundred ohms, which is neither perfectly connected (0 ohm) or disconnected (several hundred kilo ohms). I don't know much about it. If you have similar experience, I'd like to have your advice. Thanks a lot. Jun jguo@csd5.nyu.edu jqg9462@acf6.nyu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 14:30:59 EST From: Brian Switzer <UOG01002%VM.UoGuelph.CA@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: SND specs Could anyone tell me where I might get my hands on the specs for Macintosh sound file format? It doesn't matter if it's a text file or a book or whatever... I just need to be able to decode the data for a program I want to write. +------------------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | You can't have everything; where would | Brian Switzer | | you put it? -- Stephen Wright | UOG01002@VM.UOGUELPH.CA | +------------------------------------------+------------------>=- (munch) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 90 14:03:00 +1700 From: VANVLECK_TOM#PRUNE@tandem.com Subject: Sports scheduling software? I am looking for software to assign referees to soccer games. The problem has (at least) three levels: (1) Laying out the report, manually assiging refs, & printing pretty. (2) Checking for rule violations (eg can't be in 2 places at once). (3) Doing the assignment automatically or semi-. I do level 1 now with slow EXCEL macros. Before I spend more time hacking, has somebody already done it? Tom Van Vleck <vanvleck_tom@tandem.com> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 19:27 MDT From: Bernie <BSWieser%UNCAMULT.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu> Subject: TOPS & 512 woes. Greetings netpeople, the lab I keep up is under increasing use and I am forced to find means to provide ample workstations. We run a TOPS network, and have a 512e and 512 which are not being used. I would like to connect them to the network (hopefully to run Word), but the last system I found to run on a 512 was 3, and pared down I couldn't get TOPS to run because of insufficient memory errors. Has anyone successfully connected a 512 to a TOPS network? If so I'd love to hear from you! Thanks. Bernie Wieser, Psychology Dept., U of C ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************